Lenovo ThinkCentre M75q Tiny 1lt Desktop: Ryzen 5 Pro 4650GE, 16GB DDR4, 512GB PCIe SSD, Win10Pro @ $534 + F/S

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$494.87 w/ ID.me verify, sweet deal! I spec'd it with 5year premium onsite service for $738.

Thanks Suryasis, appreciate all that you do!

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05-21-2022 at 04:20 AM #4

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Seems like a good deal for a well-respected model. But can someone explain why this type of computer is preferable over a similarly-performing/equipped notebook available at a similar price?

Forces your employees to work from the office.

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Seems like a good deal for a well-respected model. But can someone explain why this type of computer is preferable over a similarly-performing/equipped notebook available at a similar price?

These are mostly required or used in office where you have a display and these just plug in behind the monitor and hence minimize the space requirement. Also, these offer a lot more ports and upgradable. Not sure if you've realized, but the CPU in it, is a desktop APU which can be upgraded. These kind of desktops also offer customizable port selections. If you configure one in Lenovo site, you can configure two extra ports like VGA, TYPE-c, TYPE-A, DISPLAYPORT or HDMI, serial ports based on your requirements.

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05-21-2022 at 05:00 AM #6

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Seems like a good deal for a well-respected model. But can someone explain why this type of computer is preferable over a similarly-performing/equipped notebook available at a similar price?

Depends on use case, not everyone needs portability nor to work on a tiny screen.

Maybe one way to illuminate it is to turn the question, why would you want a similar performing/equipped (although I disagree that's possible) notebook at a similar price? Give me a couple examples of what you think are similar performing/equipped notebooks at the same price.

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These are mostly required or used in office where you have a display and these just plug in behind the monitor and hence minimize the space requirement. Also, these offer a lot more ports and upgradable. Not sure if you've realized, but the CPU in it, is a desktop APU which can be upgraded. These kind of desktops also offer customizable port selections. If you configure one in Lenovo site, you can configure two extra ports like VGA, TYPE-c, TYPE-A, DISPLAYPORT or HDMI, serial ports based on your requirements.

It's a desktop CPU that's slower than comparably-priced mobile variants. Do many people upgrade the CPU's in a $534 system? How is this particular machine more upgradable than a notebook? It doesn't seem to have any slots or more bays. Comparable notebooks have USB 3.2 and some even have TB3, both of which can drive additional displays.

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Depends on use case, not everyone needs portability nor to work on a tiny screen.

Maybe one way to illuminate it is to turn the question, why would you want a similar performing/equipped (although I disagree that's possible) notebook at a similar price? Give me a couple examples of what you think are similar performing/equipped notebooks at the same price.

They may not need the portability of a notebook but that doesn't mean they have to take advantage of the portability of a notebook - it can be used just like a desktop.

https://www.costco.com/hp-pavilion-15.6%22-touchscreen-laptop---amd-ryzen-7-5825u---1080p---windows-... [costco.com]

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05-21-2022 at 05:46 AM #8

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It's a desktop CPU that's slower than comparably-priced mobile variants. Do many people upgrade the CPU's in a $534 system? How is this particular machine more upgradable than a notebook? It doesn't seem to have any slots or more bays. Comparable notebooks have USB 3.2 and some even have TB3, both of which can drive additional displays.

They may not need the portability of a notebook but that doesn't mean they have to take advantage of the portability of a notebook - it can be used just like a desktop.

https://www.costco.com/hp-pavilion-15.6%22-touchscreen-laptop---amd-ryzen-7-5825u---1080p---windows-... [costco.com]

Seriously? I take it you've never worked professionally in any kind of IT service/management.

Similarly equipped, to me, doesn't just mean a roughly comparable CPU, similar RAM and similar HD/SSD.

If someone will never use the screen on a laptop and they're trying to preserve desk space, and they need other I/O, then the laptop doesn't make sense.

Perhaps for personal use, I may mostly agree with you (depending on context). In a business setting, the laptop/notebook doesn't always make sense. Hence the market for this SFF PCs.

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Seriously? I take it you've never worked professionally in any kind of IT service/management.

Similarly equipped, to me, doesn't just mean a roughly comparable CPU, similar RAM and similar HD/SSD.

If someone will never use the screen on a laptop and they're trying to preserve desk space, and they need other I/O, then the laptop doesn't make sense.

Perhaps for personal use, I may mostly agree with you (depending on context). In a business setting, the laptop/notebook doesn't always make sense. Hence the market for this SFF PCs.

I used to run a small IT dept for software engineering company. How does this small desktop preserve more desk space than a notebook, for example in clamshell mode if an external monitor is preferred? Your original reply asked for a comparable notebook - I provided one - and now you've pivoted to another point. If IT use/desktop space was your primary concern then why didn't you address it in your original reply and only ask about it after I provided a comparable notebook? Just wondering.

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05-21-2022 at 06:03 AM #10

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I used to run a small IT dept for software engineering company. How does this small desktop preserve more desk space than a notebook, for example in clamshell mode if an external monitor is preferred? Your original reply asked for a comparable notebook - I provided one - and now you've pivoted to another point. If IT use/desktop space was your primary concern then why didn't you address it in your original reply and only ask about it after I provided a comparable notebook? Just wondering.

No, my point was "Depends on use case". I pointed out a couple things that may not be relevant (portability or the screen).

I also asked your same question back to you, which you didn't answer, to try to possibly show why.

Again, *you* not I, stated the "similar performing/equipped notebooks". This Lenovo has built in ports which can make it useful for various office/commercial settings, it can run up to three monitors. It also comes with Windows Pro, as opposed to the laptop you showed, which I'm pointing out while perhaps similar performing, it's not similarly equipped. I think you're focused on CPU, RAM, HD/SSD and that it comes with a keyboard/trackpad and monitor. For some, the keyboard/trackpad and monitor are not added value, where as other features of the device are. Hence why it's important for people in various settings.

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05-21-2022 at 06:12 AM #11

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No, my point was "Depends on use case". I pointed out a couple things that may not be relevant (portability or the screen).

You asked for a comparable notebook, I provided one. You replied with "Seriously? I take it you've never worked professionally in any kind of IT service/management. Similarly equipped, to me, doesn't just mean a roughly comparable CPU, similar RAM and similar HD/SSD."

What were you expecting when you asked for a comparable notebook? One that is shaped in the form of a desktop? That's the part I'm confused about. If the notebook form-factor is a disqualifying attribute for the use case you're now focusing on then why even ask about a comparable notebook? Were you just expecting I wouldn't be able to find one?

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Again, *you* not I, stated the "similar performing/equipped notebooks". This Lenovo has built in ports which can make it useful for various office/commercial settings, it can run up to three monitors. It also comes with Windows Pro, as opposed to the laptop you showed, which I'm pointing out while perhaps similar performing, it's not similarly equipped. I think you're focused on CPU, RAM, HD/SSD and that it comes with a keyboard/trackpad and monitor. For some, the keyboard/trackpad and monitor are not added value, where as other features of the device are. Hence why it's important for people in various settings.

The notebook I listed can run two monitors. If you want to run more then a notebook with TB3 could be considered, such as this one with two TB4 ports. Since you're talking about IT departments, many have volume/corporate W10PRO licenses.

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05-21-2022 at 06:41 AM #12

I own a m75q. For my use case, these are great for homelab use where you don't want to use a ton of electricity, noise, or generate a lot of heat. I have this running headless Ubuntu and running several dockers.

Be aware that this has a Realtek nic. So not the best for pfsense or esxi.

There's a nice cult following in these Lenovo tiny computers on servethehome.com, especially the Intel models with Intel nic and pcie (through a riser). I just picked up a used m720q and added an Intel quad gigabit to use as proxmox ve and run pfsense, etc.

I don't need a 1u or 2u server, perfectly happy with a few of these Lenovo Tinys

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05-21-2022 at 06:47 AM #13

These are nice little machines, I've used several Lenovo minis over the years. I have one in a modded Arcade1up instead of a raspberry pi and it has a lot more horsepower. You can typically find used models with good specs for pretty cheap. They are also good to throw up in a home lab/rack that doesn't take up very much space at all.

Otherwise leave them for enterprise purchases.

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05-21-2022 at 06:52 AM #14

So this tiny has hdmi 2.0 and thus will do 4k@60hz over hdmi? Why can't I find a decent priced regular sized tower that has hdmi 2.0? Seems like nice specs for the price.

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05-21-2022 at 07:02 AM #15

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You asked for a comparable notebook, I provided one. You replied with "Seriously? I take it you've never worked professionally in any kind of IT service/management. Similarly equipped, to me, doesn't just mean a roughly comparable CPU, similar RAM and similar HD/SSD."

What were you expecting when you asked for a comparable notebook? One that is shaped in the form of a desktop? That's the part I'm confused about. If the notebook form-factor is a disqualifying attribute for the use case you're now focusing on then why even ask about a comparable notebook? Were you just expecting I wouldn't be able to find one?

The notebook I listed can run two monitors. If you want to run more then a notebook with TB3 could be considered, such as this one with two TB4 ports. Since you're talking about IT departments, many have volume/corporate W10PRO licenses.

Dude, you're now just trying to force your feelings on top of everything. And "I used to run an IT Farm" to justify everything is not gonna cut here. You really never worked on a professional software Farm where literally every Desktops are either these Tiny series or the SFF series and not only Lenovo but Dell, Asus all make these kind of Mini PCs for Business. They are not idiots to produce those devices in bulk if there are no use cases according to you.
Now regarding your suggestion about using a Consumer Laptop on Business has several drawbacks which you should be knowing from your IT Farm running experience.

You won't get any premium Business Support for your farm if you start buying consumer Laptops. This is a huge thing for an IT Farm to operate smoothly.
Normally companies buy these PCs in bulk and they get a lot more discount compared to a Consumer product.
Most people in professional Farms (Farms don't mean they are IT farm), use a big screen, normally 22" to 24" monitors and don't work on a puny 15.6" or 14" screen. Most of them are also not techy enough to connect the laptop via display port or HDMI port after coming to office, especially in multi-monitor setup, that can be very challenging for an average user without computer knowledge. In that case, now the company has to invest in Docking stations for Plug-&-Play solution which will increase overall cost. It is not a single device purchase but purchase for the whole department using your Laptops. Your idea of using Thunderbolt 3 dock also falls into this category because that then needs to be purchased for the whole department, increasing purchase cost + maintenance cost.
In your question of space saving, a Laptop in your desk + 1 Display Port connected to your monitor + 1 Power Adapter for your Monitor + 1 Power Adapter for your Laptop, how does that look space saving to you? Now regarding these kind of mini-PCs, they normally come with compatible Monitors from the same brand, where the whole Desktop can be mounted at the back of the monitor with a single power connector, no additional display connector and just does not take any space. Lenovo ThinkVision monitors can be used with these ThickCentre Tiny PCs.
There are special industrial needs where these devices need to be connected with Legacy devices, like Mainframe, Powerplan machinery interfaces, Terminals which use Serial ports. You can configure these devices with similar kind of ports while making your purchase or even buy an add-on card to configure them later for those use cases.

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