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Model: QNAP TS-453D-4G 4 Bay NAS for Professionals with Intel® Celeron® J4125 CPU and Two 2.5GbE Ports

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    Product Name: QNAP TS-453D-4G 4 Bay NAS for Professionals with Intel® Celeron® J4125 CPU and Two 2.5GbE Ports
    Manufacturer: QNAP
    Model Number: TS-453D-4G
    Product SKU: B0897C8XTT
    ASIN: B0897C8XTT
    Brand: QNAP
    Item Dimensions LxWxH: 8.89762 x 6.6929 x 6.61416 Inches
    Item Weight: 5 Pounds
    Item model number: TS-453D-4G
    Manufacturer: QNAP
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    namlook
    07-01-2022 at 09:36 AM.
    07-01-2022 at 09:36 AM.
    Quote from hazardc :
    added note.. tbh.. you coulda probably thrown the mobo in the oven and had it working... cold solder joints plague these things and heat exposes them.. I used to thjrow almost every electronc thing that broke on me (without letting out the smoke) into the oven to do a ghetto reflow and 90% of the time it resulted in "fixed"

    hell, i took a propane torch to the dts chip on my pioneer sc63 a few months ago and it's still running like a chamnp... it was completely dead (and 700+ to reapair)
    Have you had to do this more than once? Seems like this could "patch" the problem temporarily rather than fix it and the issue would be likely to reoccur again at some point.
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    hazardc
    07-04-2022 at 04:40 PM.
    07-04-2022 at 04:40 PM.
    Quote from namlook :
    Have you had to do this more than once? Seems like this could "patch" the problem temporarily rather than fix it and the issue would be likely to reoccur again at some point.

    So far it's lasted about 9-months without quit

    The thing is, yes, it's a band-aid.. but the other option is to throw a reciver that cost 1500 bucks 8-years ago into the trash .


    You cannot even find a used HDMI board for these units anymore (you have to replace the entire board)

    They were replacing with brand new units if yours failed before january 2021 ... mine failed in the summer 2021.


    I did put it on my "secondary" home theatre as i needed to upgrade to something with hdmi 2.1 and all that fun stuff for my 65" OLED setup...

    I have had laptops and video game connsoles that lasted years after doing a "reflow" at home. (they might still work, i wouldn't know, ended up giving that stuff away)
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    > bubble2 325 Posts
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    poover
    07-06-2022 at 09:34 AM.
    07-06-2022 at 09:34 AM.
    dead?
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    vwdude17
    07-12-2022 at 09:50 AM.
    07-12-2022 at 09:50 AM.
    Quote from nobody2000 :
    This price is about on par for this type of system. While you're not getting any drives, you're paying for a small form factor, low power consumption, and sadly, QNAP's QTS operating system which is not great.

    Overall, if you're looking to get into running a server, be it for simple network attached storage, Plex streaming, hosting a number of services using docker, or whatever - it's a good starter device, provided you prioritize security.

    Now - there's a risk of outgrowing this very quickly (like 1 year), but if you go this route, there are some things to know:
    • QTS sucks. It's bad. First thing you should do is make sure uPnP is disabled on your router and go ahead and disable it in QTS too.
    • Next, don't use the admin account (get rid of it if they still let you) and use a custom username with admin rights instead.
    • Next, disable/uninstall MyQNAPCloud. While the disabling of uPnP will solve all the insecure problems, this ensure it. QNAP, in order to make remote administration easy, by default opens a port on your router and on the qnap (if uPnP is enabled). Hackers have been able to easily bypass your login screen and run ransomware on the devices. Secure it to avoid this.
    • Finally, some other things to know:
      • The QNAP app store has most of the software you need, but you can snag containers from docker hub and install them in container station. If you're slightly more savvy, you'll install Portainer and do them all that way
      • 4 drives can fill up fast, even if you're silly and have them in RAID0/JBOD and only buy 18gb drives. Once you hit your 4, you have two options:
        • 1.) Get a USB expansion (QNAP TR-004 or similar)
        • 2.) Get a SAS expansion.
        • The first option is slow, and the second option is fast but expensive in a way that should have you considering just upgrading to a better system. Also - option 2 will eat up your PCI-e slot, so there goes any other potential expansions you might have wanted to do differently.
    • You can boot unRAID on this and it's 100x better. You can run it on a USB, and I think on this device, you can actually overwrite the boot storage (I can't remember what it's called).
    • I believe the specs say this maxes out at 8gb RAM. You CAN do 16gb, but in my own similar QNAP device, it's caused problems in QTS. In unRAID, all is nice and smooth.
    • Finally, if you do want to do remote administration, use openVPN or throw wireguard on the device and run your own VPN that you can just log into - it's fairly secure. You could also run a secure reverse proxy into a specific port for particular docker containers, but the VPN is more secure. 2-factor everything you can.

    QNAP gets a lot of (deserved) hate, however if you perform just a handful of relatively easy steps, you can get a lot out of an affordable, low-power-consumption device. They also have decent resale value and likely will for 5 more years, so if you do upgrade, you can at least put a good chunk of the QNAP value toward that.


    My QNAP TS-251+ has been happily running rock solid for the past 6 or 7 years 24/7 with RAID 1. I keep it fully updated as soon as patches come out (get alerts on my phone from the Manager App) and have had no issues. It is locked down as much as it's prudent using a different port for web admin, default admin account turned off, uPNP also turned off, etc. but I do run a few things on it also using QTS like PiHole, Plex, and serve out files on occasion. I've been very happy with it without any complaints and the original 6TB drives have yet to show any SMART errors at all since purchase. Now I'm approaching the 70% capacity and exploring options since I feel it's more than paid for itself now and was well worth the initial investment I made.
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    vwdude17
    07-12-2022 at 11:57 AM.
    07-12-2022 at 11:57 AM.
    Quote from vwdude17 :
    My QNAP TS-251+ has been happily running rock solid for the past 6 or 7 years 24/7 with RAID 1. I keep it fully updated as soon as patches come out (get alerts on my phone from the Manager App) and have had no issues. It is locked down as much as it's prudent using a different port for web admin, default admin account turned off, uPNP also turned off, etc. but I do run a few things on it also using QTS like PiHole, Plex, and serve out files on occasion. I've been very happy with it without any complaints and the original 6TB drives have yet to show any SMART errors at all since purchase. Now I'm approaching the 70% capacity and exploring options since I feel it's more than paid for itself now and was well worth the initial investment I made.

    Decided to keep using my TS-251+ 2bay unit and take advantage of the deal going on now on two 14TB WD Red plus drives ($210 each). Now off to research how to go from two RAID 1 6TB drives to two 14TB drives seamlessly. Hopefully it's just a matter of replacing each at a time and letting it mirror out.
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