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That's perfectly fine application. This however isn't the type of back up for a daily long term use. LION only has a life of 600-800 charger cycles. LIFEPO4 can be up to 10 times that. Plus they are much safer cells and you don't have to worry about it burning down your house if they go bad lol.
While I'm not sure where UnXpectedError is getting his information from or how he drawing this conclusion, I can confirm that LiFePO4 batteries are significantly more stable and less likely to catastrophically fail during normal use. When they do fail, while very serious and still dangerous, it isn't nearly as dramatic.
Lithium ion batteries are prone and susceptible to the formation of dendrites, essentially when lithium ion compounds crystallize inside of the electrolyte of the battery without breaking back down into solution like they normally should. These highly conductive structures form over time and can bridge the gap between the battery's electrodes and anodes, causing an electrical short, which is usually the cause of seemingly spontaneous battery flare-ups and combustion. Dendrite formation is the primary cause of lithium ion battery capacity loss and eventual failure. LiFePO4 batteries use a different chemistry, doping the lithium ion electrolyte with iron phosphate based compounds that change how the battery works. In exchange for a reduced total energy capacity, these compounds make it so that dendrite formation requires a great deal more energy to occur, make existing dendrites much more fragile and more easily able to redesolve during normal battery cycling. This feature is what gives lithium ion batteries with LiFePO4 chemistry the dramatically extended number of charge cycles, going from 500-2000 for "standard" lithium-ion batteries to a general range of 3,000-6,000 charge cycles for mass produced batteries, and charge cycles estimated up to 15,000 cycles for obscenely expensive premium/scientific grade cells.
You might also be thinking "Hey, I only plan to use it a couple times a month, 24 times a year out of 500 is no big deal all right?" And yeah, that's really no big deal in terms of the battery's life span.
There is unfortunately a significant issue with lithium ion batteries that most people aren't aware of. "Standard" chemistry Lithium ion batteries degrade and lose capacity over time whether you are using them or not. The same thing happens to LiFePO4 batteries, but it takes much much longer to occur.
You can probably see why having a battery that can recharge five, ten, fifteen times more while maintaining capacity and last decades longer before it fails is highly desirable.
The advantages that a standard lithium ion battery have over a LiFePO4 battery is that it has a higher energy density, that the battery can hold more power per gram than an LiFePO4 battery, and they are usually cheaper.
LiFePO4 batteries cost more to manufacture, which is why a lot of companies are selling standard lithium-ion batteries as a way to cut costs/boost profits, as opposed to making the best product that they could.
Most consumers have no idea that there are different types of batteries that are better than others, and usually buy whichever one has the best marketing with the lowest price.
Do a little bit of research online to get more information about batteries and renewable energy systems in general. There's a wealth of information readily available.
Hopefully this info will help you make a better informed decision about your future purchases. 👍
What's with peoples hard on for LIFEPO4 vs LION batteries??
Perhaps I want to use this when a summer storm rolls in and power goes out for 20min once a month? x 3 times a year...
That's perfectly fine application. This however isn't the type of back up for a daily long term use. LION only has a life of 600-800 charger cycles. LIFEPO4 can be up to 10 times that. Plus they are much safer cells and you don't have to worry about it burning down your house if they go bad lol.
What's with peoples hard on for LIFEPO4 vs LION batteries??
Perhaps I want to use this when a summer storm rolls in and power goes out for 20min once a month? x 3 times a year...
That's exactly what happen to me 30 min ago, lost power after a summer storm and now I'm on here shopping for one for next time while I wait for the power to come back up 😆
That's perfectly fine application. This however isn't the type of back up for a daily long term use. LION only has a life of 600-800 charger cycles. LIFEPO4 can be up to 10 times that. Plus they are much safer cells and you don't have to worry about it burning down your house if they go bad lol.
I get what you are saying about charge cycles. But what is this about it going bad and burning down your home? I have a jackery I bought maybe a year ago.
I get what you are saying about charge cycles. But what is this about it going bad and burning down your home? I have a jackery I bought maybe a year ago.
I sleep with mine next to me, live dangerously 😂😂
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They only list the 160 and 240 on this page but if google " jackery 300 sce " it comes up with that model and you can claim $75 for it
I did it for the 300 this morning and i got an email saying
" I can confirm that your proof of purchase has been reviewed and contains all pertinent information. Your claim will proceed to the next step of the rebate process: Account Review. At this stage, your account information will be reviewed and verified that you have an active, residential account with SCE. We will provide an update on your claim eligibility within 4 weeks.
How is the ecoflow and Bluetti compare in rankings?
Love my bluetti. She's a beast, can run my whole house off a 50amp outlet to my generator house hookup. Was even able to run my house AC Unit!! Pretty certain these are all small less than 1kw units?
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Love my bluetti. She's a beast, can run my whole house off a 50amp outlet to my generator house hookup. Was even able to run my house AC Unit!! Pretty certain these are all small less than 1kw units?
That's impressive. Which Bluetti model do you have?
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Lithium ion batteries are prone and susceptible to the formation of dendrites, essentially when lithium ion compounds crystallize inside of the electrolyte of the battery without breaking back down into solution like they normally should. These highly conductive structures form over time and can bridge the gap between the battery's electrodes and anodes, causing an electrical short, which is usually the cause of seemingly spontaneous battery flare-ups and combustion. Dendrite formation is the primary cause of lithium ion battery capacity loss and eventual failure. LiFePO4 batteries use a different chemistry, doping the lithium ion electrolyte with iron phosphate based compounds that change how the battery works. In exchange for a reduced total energy capacity, these compounds make it so that dendrite formation requires a great deal more energy to occur, make existing dendrites much more fragile and more easily able to redesolve during normal battery cycling. This feature is what gives lithium ion batteries with LiFePO4 chemistry the dramatically extended number of charge cycles, going from 500-2000 for "standard" lithium-ion batteries to a general range of 3,000-6,000 charge cycles for mass produced batteries, and charge cycles estimated up to 15,000 cycles for obscenely expensive premium/scientific grade cells.
You might also be thinking "Hey, I only plan to use it a couple times a month, 24 times a year out of 500 is no big deal all right?" And yeah, that's really no big deal in terms of the battery's life span.
There is unfortunately a significant issue with lithium ion batteries that most people aren't aware of. "Standard" chemistry Lithium ion batteries degrade and lose capacity over time whether you are using them or not. The same thing happens to LiFePO4 batteries, but it takes much much longer to occur.
You can probably see why having a battery that can recharge five, ten, fifteen times more while maintaining capacity and last decades longer before it fails is highly desirable.
The advantages that a standard lithium ion battery have over a LiFePO4 battery is that it has a higher energy density, that the battery can hold more power per gram than an LiFePO4 battery, and they are usually cheaper.
LiFePO4 batteries cost more to manufacture, which is why a lot of companies are selling standard lithium-ion batteries as a way to cut costs/boost profits, as opposed to making the best product that they could.
Most consumers have no idea that there are different types of batteries that are better than others, and usually buy whichever one has the best marketing with the lowest price.
Do a little bit of research online to get more information about batteries and renewable energy systems in general. There's a wealth of information readily available.
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Perhaps I want to use this when a summer storm rolls in and power goes out for 20min once a month? x 3 times a year...
Perhaps I want to use this when a summer storm rolls in and power goes out for 20min once a month? x 3 times a year...
Perhaps I want to use this when a summer storm rolls in and power goes out for 20min once a month? x 3 times a year...
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They only list the 160 and 240 on this page but if google " jackery 300 sce " it comes up with that model and you can claim $75 for it
I did it for the 300 this morning and i got an email saying
" I can confirm that your proof of purchase has been reviewed and contains all pertinent information. Your claim will proceed to the next step of the rebate process: Account Review. At this stage, your account information will be reviewed and verified that you have an active, residential account with SCE. We will provide an update on your claim eligibility within 4 weeks.
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