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No, not as you said. When you say 600-700 watts per day, that means nothing. Now, if you meant that it AVERAGES 600-700W over a 24 hour period, which would be approximately 15.6kWh, that means something definitive.
You need to get your units straight, and refer to them correctly. I do have a background in applied physics, and am not trying to be rude or combative. I'm trying to help clarify for others reading.
If it is consuming 650W average over a 24hr period, it sounds extremely inefficient. Monitor it's kWh usage over a 72 hour period and divide by 72 to get kWh/h, which equals kW. Multiply that by 1000 to get average wattage over 72 hours.
I know you're trying to be smart but your conventional Gas Generator isn't a generator either. It only converts stored fossil fuel to usable electric power.
The Law of Conservation of Energy states that Energy cannot be created nor destroyed.
How are you using your unit that would only have this power station last only 3 years. It has 800 charge/discharge cycles before capacity is reduce to 80%. Even at 80% would still have some usefulness. That's if you fully charge and discharge it every day. I expect the Delta Mini I got during Prime Day to last at least 5+ years at which point LiFePO4 should improve in price and weight and I could upgrade. I agree with others that I've been impressed with EcoFlow build quality and performance so far.
My 7 cu ft Danby upright freezer, that sits outside under my porch, uses about 600 to 700 watts per day. So the river can keep it running for almost a full day.
Watts is a measurement of energy consumption rate (joules per second), not a total amount of energy consumed, such as kilowatt hours (kWh, which is equivalent to around 3.6M joules of energy). The energy consumption rate for a freezer or refrigerator also varies by load, not to mention it cycles on and off.
You need to meter it's total consumption in a day in kWh, and then meter the generator's total energy output per day in the same units to determine if it outputs enough power to power it for a day. Remember load varies, so test it on a hot humid day to get a close to worst case value. It would be best to meter it over several days, the generator as well, and use worst case data for each (highest consumption/lowest production respectively).
* Refrigerators and freezers will also work more efficiently if they are defrosted (freezers), have proper airflow to the condenser, the condenser heat sink fins are clean, and it is in the shade (if possible), and in the lowest humidity environment possible.
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Watts is a measurement of energy consumption rate (joules per second), not a total amount of energy consumed, such as kilowatt hours (kWh, which is equivalent to around 3.6M joules of energy). The energy consumption rate for a freezer or refrigerator also varies by load, not to mention it cycles on and off.
You need to meter it's total consumption in a day in kWh, and then meter the generator's total energy output per day in the same units to determine if it outputs enough power to power it for a day. Remember load varies, so test it on a hot humid day to get a close to worst case value. It would be best to meter it over several days, the generator as well, and use worst case data for each (highest consumption/lowest production respectively).
* Refrigerators and freezers will also work more efficiently if they are defrosted (freezers), have proper airflow to the condenser, the condenser heat sink fins are clean, and it is in the shade (if possible), and in the lowest humidity environment possible.
As I said.. 600 to 700w PER DAY. I use a killawatt meter for my initial testing and an Emporia Energy Monitoring Smart Plug for my daily monitoring. Because of the cycling that fridges and freezers do, the best overall measure as you've stated is by energy consumption per day. What is reported is my daily average across weeks of data.
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As I said.. 600 to 700w PER DAY. I use a killawatt meter for my initial testing and an Emporia Energy Monitoring Smart Plug for my daily monitoring. Because of the cycling that fridges and freezers do, the best overall measure as you've stated is by energy consumption per day. What is reported is my daily average across weeks of data.
No, not as you said. When you say 600-700 watts per day, that means nothing. Now, if you meant that it AVERAGES 600-700W over a 24 hour period, which would be approximately 15.6kWh, that means something definitive.
You need to get your units straight, and refer to them correctly. I do have a background in applied physics, and am not trying to be rude or combative. I'm trying to help clarify for others reading.
If it is consuming 650W average over a 24hr period, it sounds extremely inefficient. Monitor it's kWh usage over a 72 hour period and divide by 72 to get kWh/h, which equals kW. Multiply that by 1000 to get average wattage over 72 hours.
Gasoline is where the energy is stored. It is like a Battery.
Sigh.. you guys really serious about not knowing this?
Gas is where the energy is stored, but the energy is not electricity until it is produced. The gas generator is more like the solar panels. The solar panels can take the suns energy to generate electricity in the same way the gas generator takes gas to generate electricity. A battery takes electricity in and sends electricity out. So it does not generate it in this context as the input is the same as the output. I do commend you on your trolling though.
Gas is where the energy is stored, but the energy is not electricity until it is produced. The gas generator is more like the solar panels. The solar panels can take the suns energy to generate electricity in the same way the gas generator takes gas to generate electricity. A battery takes electricity in and sends electricity out. So it does not generate it in this context as the input is the same as the output. I do commend you on your trolling though.
Energy can be in many forms. You only convert them from 1 form to another.
Wind energy can become electricity by using wind turbine isn't it?
The sun rays carries energy and can be converted to electricity using solar panels.
The flowing kinetic energy from a flowing river can also be converted to electricity.
The heat energy from beneath the Earth can also be transformed to electricity.
However, you can also transform it back
Electricity to heat energy .. electric cooking pot/ electric heter?.
Electricity to wind energy... electric fan.
Electricity can also be transformed to move water ... electric pump.
It's all about transforming energy from one form to another. You are not creating/generating energy at all.
Batteries are energy storage. You can charge them and extract that energy later.
Gasoline is also an energy storage. The difference is, it takes millions of years to charge this and to become a fossil fuel. Then the energy stored in a gasoline can also be transformed to electricity.
No machine can GENERATE energy out from nowhere. They just convert it from one form to another. Energy conversion also uses energy in the process usually heat as byproduct.
Energy can be in many forms. You only convert them from 1 form to another.
Wind energy can become electricity by using wind turbine isn't it?
The sun rays carries energy and can be converted to electricity using solar panels.
The flowing kinetic energy from a flowing river can also be converted to electricity.
The heat energy from beneath the Earth can also be transformed to electricity.
However, you can also transform it back
Electricity to heat energy .. electric cooking pot/ electric heter?.
Electricity to wind energy... electric fan.
Electricity can also be transformed to move water ... electric pump.
It's all about transforming energy from one form to another. You are not creating/generating energy at all.
Batteries are energy storage. You can charge them and extract that energy later.
Gasoline is also an energy storage. The difference is, it takes millions of years to charge this and to become a fossil fuel. Then the energy stored in a gasoline can also be transformed to electricity.
No machine can GENERATE energy out from nowhere. They just convert it from one form to another. Energy conversion also uses energy in the process usually heat as byproduct.
Nobody is talking about generating energy, they are talking about generating electricity.
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I ordered the Delta Mini and cancelled the order during prime. It really depends on your use case. I needed time under power over the ability to handle higher wattage, so I chose the extra 600 Wh for $20 this deal offers. You are absolutely right about the packaging, it's extremely well executed.
I only need it for power outages, mostly my refrigerator, which i tested 6hrs on time and reached over 13hrs on solar, but i started at 1PM on solar, so it will definitely keep going. However, to keep it in use I'm going to maintain it as a EPS (UPS) for my office, as the mini is capable as that type of unit, however it isn't a 0ms switch over, rather 30ms but it still works flawless and im not trying to power a work stations or server racks, but i tested it and it could keep all my equipment running for just over an hour pulling 600-800watts. More then enough time to safely shut things down.
I only need it for power outages, mostly my refrigerator, which i tested 6hrs on time and reached over 13hrs on solar, but i started at 1PM on solar, so it will definitely keep going. However, to keep it in use I'm going to maintain it as a EPS (UPS) for my office, as the mini is capable as that type of unit, however it isn't a 0ms switch over, rather 30ms but it still works flawless and im not trying to power a work stations or server racks, but i tested it and it could keep all my equipment running for just over an hour pulling 600-800watts. More then enough time to safely shut things down.
Thanks for the info on the real time test with the solar, good to know. Curious as to how many watts your fridge draws. The Delta Mini and River Pro both support "entry level" UPS which is the 30ms delay. It also bypasses the battery when used as a UPS, so doesn't degrade charge cycles.
If you're going to run something with a compressor like a refrigerator, air conditioning, or dehumidifier that draws a huge amount of electricity when it is starting the compressor, it is critical that you know what is the "inrush" or peak current in order to figure out if the battery & inverter combo you're looking at can handle it. If you don't know the peak current draw of your particular appliance, it's impossible to say whether these devices will power it or not.
And those of you having a battle of wits over the laws of thermodynamics, no one really cares. Please stop.
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You need to get your units straight, and refer to them correctly. I do have a background in applied physics, and am not trying to be rude or combative. I'm trying to help clarify for others reading.
If it is consuming 650W average over a 24hr period, it sounds extremely inefficient. Monitor it's kWh usage over a 72 hour period and divide by 72 to get kWh/h, which equals kW. Multiply that by 1000 to get average wattage over 72 hours.
The Law of Conservation of Energy states that Energy cannot be created nor destroyed.
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You need to meter it's total consumption in a day in kWh, and then meter the generator's total energy output per day in the same units to determine if it outputs enough power to power it for a day. Remember load varies, so test it on a hot humid day to get a close to worst case value. It would be best to meter it over several days, the generator as well, and use worst case data for each (highest consumption/lowest production respectively).
* Refrigerators and freezers will also work more efficiently if they are defrosted (freezers), have proper airflow to the condenser, the condenser heat sink fins are clean, and it is in the shade (if possible), and in the lowest humidity environment possible.
You need to meter it's total consumption in a day in kWh, and then meter the generator's total energy output per day in the same units to determine if it outputs enough power to power it for a day. Remember load varies, so test it on a hot humid day to get a close to worst case value. It would be best to meter it over several days, the generator as well, and use worst case data for each (highest consumption/lowest production respectively).
* Refrigerators and freezers will also work more efficiently if they are defrosted (freezers), have proper airflow to the condenser, the condenser heat sink fins are clean, and it is in the shade (if possible), and in the lowest humidity environment possible.
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You need to get your units straight, and refer to them correctly. I do have a background in applied physics, and am not trying to be rude or combative. I'm trying to help clarify for others reading.
If it is consuming 650W average over a 24hr period, it sounds extremely inefficient. Monitor it's kWh usage over a 72 hour period and divide by 72 to get kWh/h, which equals kW. Multiply that by 1000 to get average wattage over 72 hours.
Sigh.. you guys really serious about not knowing this?
However, you can also transform it back
It's all about transforming energy from one form to another. You are not creating/generating energy at all.
Batteries are energy storage. You can charge them and extract that energy later.
Gasoline is also an energy storage. The difference is, it takes millions of years to charge this and to become a fossil fuel. Then the energy stored in a gasoline can also be transformed to electricity.
No machine can GENERATE energy out from nowhere. They just convert it from one form to another. Energy conversion also uses energy in the process usually heat as byproduct.
However, you can also transform it back
It's all about transforming energy from one form to another. You are not creating/generating energy at all.
Batteries are energy storage. You can charge them and extract that energy later.
Gasoline is also an energy storage. The difference is, it takes millions of years to charge this and to become a fossil fuel. Then the energy stored in a gasoline can also be transformed to electricity.
No machine can GENERATE energy out from nowhere. They just convert it from one form to another. Energy conversion also uses energy in the process usually heat as byproduct.
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You cannot generate energy out from nothing.
IF you can generate electricity out from nothing then you generated energy out of nothing. Which violates the law of conservation of energy.
And again, your gas generator is not generating electricity out from nothing, it is just transforming the stored energy from gasoline to electricity.
Gasoline is like its battery.
You cannot generate energy out from nothing.
IF you can generate electricity out from nothing then you generated energy out of nothing. Which violates the law of conservation of energy.
And again, your gas generator is not generating electricity out from nothing, it is just transforming the stored energy from gasoline to electricity.
Gasoline is like its battery.
And those of you having a battle of wits over the laws of thermodynamics, no one really cares. Please stop.
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