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I figured out how to get windows 11 installed and for the unit to be stable
Do all the updates for the system you can out-of-the-box for windows 10
Then go to Microsoft and use the Windows 11 download tool and to do an installation of windows 11
As soon as Windows 11 is up and running, go to the update section for windows and pause all windows updates immediately and allow no updates to occur
Download the Intel driver assistant program directly from Intel's website. You can google the tool. Run that tool to update any drivers - specifically the intel video driver to V31 or higher
Now download the 'show and hide updates' tool from Microsoft. Run it, and hide any Intel video driver updates that Microsoft wants to install as these will be older than the one you just installed from Intel directly. Be sure to uncheck the box under advanced options where it tries to automatically fix issues. We don't want that. We just want to hide the video driver update. And that is what is causing the issues…at least it was for me and other people I read about online.
When you hide the intel video driver update that windows wants to install, it will no longer try to install that particular driver…. Hidden updates are blocked from installing 👍
So now you can go back to the regular Windows update program and unpause it and continue with regular Windows updates.
I did all of the remaining windows 11 updates of the system and it is running very well… seems stable.
The key is to prevent Microsoft/windows from installing any version 30 or older of the Intel video driver… and instead, you use the Intel driver support tool to get the latest intel video driver - version 31.
Hope this helps. Took me about 10 reinstall's to get it all figured out, and I hope I can save someone else some headaches
Also, this sold for $3000 and has only 8GB RAM??? Who are these sickos who keep putting 8GB soldered in computers in 2022, and can I talk to their manager?
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not soldered 8GB - the memory is actually inside the CPU. This was the Intel Lakefield CPU.
I'm surprised nobody mentioned it before you. Yup, the i5-L16G7 is Intel's "Lakefield" science experiment predecessor to Alder Lake. The 8 GB of memory is within the CPU package. Apparently there are 4 GB versions.
I think it went badly because of the very low TDP, older core designs, and bad optimization at launch, with the 5 cores not even running all at the same time. It is slower than the newer Intel Pentium Gold 8505 which is also 1+4 but without the fancy 3D stacking.
Then there's the price. Every product with Lakefield had insane MSRPs. Which could be justified if the experiment had worked and delivered incredible performance from 3D stacking. It didn't.
I had never even heard of this and went to YouTube to get some insight. That led me to believe that this was the gen 2 that was just released because all of the top videos and news results were about the new device. Now I see this is for the original X1 Fold that did not get good reviews and was more of a trial device.
Even got $1K, this type of device needs to be well implemented to make it a reasonable buy. From everything I see online, the latest gen fixes the problems of the first gen and is optimized for folding functions whereas this first gen device just didn't have the wrinkles ironed out.
This doesn't offer more than a Fold4. The Fold4 gives you the experience of a mini tablet and functions as a slim phone when folded.
This? It doesn't quite understand what it is. If you want a full size tablet you'll get a full size tablet. Not this weird hybrid of a larger tablet opened and a medium sized tablet that loses function when folded.
I guarantee you can't do the tasks of this on a fold, the processing power is not comparable in addition to the size.
Yes the folds size might make it more effective/valuable for portability, but the specs don't say it should be worth more.
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I guarantee you can't do the tasks of this on a fold, the processing power is not comparable in addition to the size.
Yes the folds size might make it more effective/valuable for portability, but the specs don't say it should be worth more.
The Fold4 gives you a phone, a good camera, and a pocket tablet computer. Lenova Fold gives you better processing power? That's it? Well shoot, my current laptop gives me better processing power yet it costs less than the Lenova Fold. Also the folding for the Lenova is still kind of purposeless. In what situation will you need that "BIG" portable on the go? It's a full sized tablet when folded, it's not fitting much better in any carriers I have for my current laptop. It's damn well not fitting in my pocket. So yeah, the portable nature if this doesn't fit for what I can only assume the majority wants/needs hence reflected by the price.
If raw processing was all that matters, the Xbox One X would've outsold the PS5 and Switch already.
Yet it hasn't or will even come close.
So yeah, no. The Lenova Fold doesn't have more to offer than the Fold4.
I'm surprised nobody mentioned it before you. Yup, the i5-L16G7 is Intel's "Lakefield" science experiment predecessor to Alder Lake. The 8 GB of memory is within the CPU package. Apparently there are 4 GB versions.
I think it went badly because of the very low TDP, older core designs, and bad optimization at launch, with the 5 cores not even running all at the same time. It is slower than the newer Intel Pentium Gold 8505 which is also 1+4 but without the fancy 3D stacking.
Then there's the price. Every product with Lakefield had insane MSRPs. Which could be justified if the experiment had worked and delivered incredible performance from 3D stacking. It didn't.
Do you know why they decided to do this? Wouldn't the extensive paging/swapping caused by limited memory cancel out any potential performance benefit this technology brings?
The Fold4 gives you a phone, a good camera, and a pocket tablet computer. Lenova Fold gives you better processing power? That's it? Well shoot, my current laptop gives me better processing power yet it costs less than the Lenova Fold. Also the folding for the Lenova is still kind of purposeless. In what situation will you need that "BIG" portable on the go? It's a full sized tablet when folded, it's not fitting much better in any carriers I have for my current laptop. It's damn well not fitting in my pocket. So yeah, the portable nature if this doesn't fit for what I can only assume the majority hence reflected by the price.
So yeah, no. The Lenova Fold doesn't have more to offer than the Fold4.
By your same logic any cell phone with a higher spec camera is better than the fold. I can ask the same question regarding what would you need a pocket tablet computer for? I guarantee you it's going to be rare finding somebody use the fold any different than a normal phone - most ppl see unfolding as a hassle and ended up using the smaller screen way more.
By your same logic any cell phone with a higher spec camera is better than the fold. I can ask the same question regarding what would you need a pocket tablet computer for? I guarantee you it's going to be rare finding somebody use the fold any different than a normal phone - most ppl see unfolding as a hassle and ended up using the smaller screen way more.
When I go hiking, I don't carry much on me. I definitely don't want to carry a full sized or a half sized computer when I have higher priorities. I can carry my pocket tablet with me. It gives me a mini-tablet experience and a phone. It does two things that a phone or a laptop cannot do. I literally watching youtube on a good sized screen and emailing on the Fold4 that my old phone cannot do and I keep this in my pocket that my laptop cannot do.
The Lenova Fold? Give me a single situation where you will need this over a small laptop or can replace a phone at the same time. You probably can't because that situation is non-existent. It doesn't serve two real world purposes. No seriously, if you make a post, give me a single situation it can replace two things in one Lenova Fold device. So again, this product doesn't understand it's own identity all that well is the issue.
Bonus - The Fold4 camera function gives a camera function that NO regular phone in existence can do right now. Use the main camera, the powerful one, to take selfies and you get to see what's being in that selfie. This in itself is a selling point that gives it another edge over conventional phones.
Do you know why they decided to do this? Wouldn't the extensive paging/swapping caused by limited memory cancel out any potential performance benefit this technology brings?
The industry still wants to give you soldered 4 GB or 8 GB memory to this day, if they can get away with it. And sometimes that is enough.
For Lakefield specifically, it was probably limited by the density of the memory available from Intel's supplier, the number of layers that could be included, and the very small package size that Intel was targeting with the product:
Also built into the package is the onboard memory – in this case it is DRAM, not any form of additional cache. The PoP memory on top (PoP stands for Package on Package) comes from a third party, and Intel assembles this at manufacturing before the product is sold to its partners. Intel will offer Lakefield with 8 GB and 4 GB variants, both built on some fast LPDDR4X-4266 memory.
In our conversations with Intel, the company steadfastly refuses to disclose who is producing the memory, and will only confirm it is not Intel. It would appear that the memory for Lakefield is likely a custom part specifically for Intel. We will have to wait until some of our peers take the strong acids to a Lakefield CPU in order to find out exactly who is working with Intel (or Intel could just tell us).
I don't think an 8 GB limitation was responsible for Lakefield's low performance. Early reviews mentioned that the big core could not even run at the same time as the small cores. This was a while before Windows 11 and Alder Lake. Even with improvements, it remains an ultra low power chip with old cores (Sunny Cove and Tremont).
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When I go hiking, I don't carry much on me. I definitely don't want to carry a full sized or a half sized computer when I have higher priorities. I can carry my pocket tablet with me. It gives me a mini-tablet experience and a phone. It does two things that a phone or a laptop cannot do. I literally watching youtube on a good sized screen and emailing on the Fold4 that my old phone cannot do and I keep this in my pocket that my laptop cannot do.
The Lenova Fold? Give me a single situation where you will need this over a small laptop or can replace a phone at the same time. You probably can't because that situation is non-existent. It doesn't serve two real world purposes. No seriously, if you make a post, give me a single situation it can replace two things in one Lenova Fold device. So again, this product doesn't understand it's own identity all that well is the issue.
Bonus - The Fold4 camera function gives a camera function that NO regular phone in existence can do right now. Use the main camera, the powerful one, to take selfies and you get to see what's being in that selfie. This in itself is a selling point that gives it another edge over conventional phones.
Can't the flip use the main camera and is half the cost? Besides your little backpacking example, there's nobody replacing a laptop of any size with a fold. Lol let me buy the over priced phone so I can watch YOUTUBE vids and email and take a selfie??!? We all have smart tvs at home or laptops that provide better viewing experiences.
Anyways you have your opinion and I have mine. As I said in the beginning the specs warrant the price increase, not the usefulness to any particular person.
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Do all the updates for the system you can out-of-the-box for windows 10
Then go to Microsoft and use the Windows 11 download tool and to do an installation of windows 11
As soon as Windows 11 is up and running, go to the update section for windows and pause all windows updates immediately and allow no updates to occur
Download the Intel driver assistant program directly from Intel's website. You can google the tool. Run that tool to update any drivers - specifically the intel video driver to V31 or higher
Now download the 'show and hide updates' tool from Microsoft. Run it, and hide any Intel video driver updates that Microsoft wants to install as these will be older than the one you just installed from Intel directly. Be sure to uncheck the box under advanced options where it tries to automatically fix issues. We don't want that. We just want to hide the video driver update. And that is what is causing the issues…at least it was for me and other people I read about online.
When you hide the intel video driver update that windows wants to install, it will no longer try to install that particular driver…. Hidden updates are blocked from installing 👍
So now you can go back to the regular Windows update program and unpause it and continue with regular Windows updates.
I did all of the remaining windows 11 updates of the system and it is running very well… seems stable.
The key is to prevent Microsoft/windows from installing any version 30 or older of the Intel video driver… and instead, you use the Intel driver support tool to get the latest intel video driver - version 31.
Hope this helps. Took me about 10 reinstall's to get it all figured out, and I hope I can save someone else some headaches
Wouldn't even think of buying this at that price.
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I think it went badly because of the very low TDP, older core designs, and bad optimization at launch, with the 5 cores not even running all at the same time. It is slower than the newer Intel Pentium Gold 8505 which is also 1+4 but without the fancy 3D stacking.
Then there's the price. Every product with Lakefield had insane MSRPs. Which could be justified if the experiment had worked and delivered incredible performance from 3D stacking. It didn't.
The folding gimmick is also contributing to the MSRP and current price. ASUS just released another foldable [notebookcheck.net] and that one is $3500.
Even got $1K, this type of device needs to be well implemented to make it a reasonable buy. From everything I see online, the latest gen fixes the problems of the first gen and is optimized for folding functions whereas this first gen device just didn't have the wrinkles ironed out.
This? It doesn't quite understand what it is. If you want a full size tablet you'll get a full size tablet. Not this weird hybrid of a larger tablet opened and a medium sized tablet that loses function when folded.
Yes the folds size might make it more effective/valuable for portability, but the specs don't say it should be worth more.
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Yes the folds size might make it more effective/valuable for portability, but the specs don't say it should be worth more.
If raw processing was all that matters, the Xbox One X would've outsold the PS5 and Switch already.
Yet it hasn't or will even come close.
So yeah, no. The Lenova Fold doesn't have more to offer than the Fold4.
I think it went badly because of the very low TDP, older core designs, and bad optimization at launch, with the 5 cores not even running all at the same time. It is slower than the newer Intel Pentium Gold 8505 which is also 1+4 but without the fancy 3D stacking.
Then there's the price. Every product with Lakefield had insane MSRPs. Which could be justified if the experiment had worked and delivered incredible performance from 3D stacking. It didn't.
The folding gimmick is also contributing to the MSRP and current price. ASUS just released another foldable [notebookcheck.net] and that one is $3500.
So yeah, no. The Lenova Fold doesn't have more to offer than the Fold4.
The Lenova Fold? Give me a single situation where you will need this over a small laptop or can replace a phone at the same time. You probably can't because that situation is non-existent. It doesn't serve two real world purposes. No seriously, if you make a post, give me a single situation it can replace two things in one Lenova Fold device. So again, this product doesn't understand it's own identity all that well is the issue.
Bonus - The Fold4 camera function gives a camera function that NO regular phone in existence can do right now. Use the main camera, the powerful one, to take selfies and you get to see what's being in that selfie. This in itself is a selling point that gives it another edge over conventional phones.
For Lakefield specifically, it was probably limited by the density of the memory available from Intel's supplier, the number of layers that could be included, and the very small package size that Intel was targeting with the product:
https://www.anandtech.c
In our conversations with Intel, the company steadfastly refuses to disclose who is producing the memory, and will only confirm it is not Intel. It would appear that the memory for Lakefield is likely a custom part specifically for Intel. We will have to wait until some of our peers take the strong acids to a Lakefield CPU in order to find out exactly who is working with Intel (or Intel could just tell us).
The total height, including DRAM, should be 1 mm.
I don't think an 8 GB limitation was responsible for Lakefield's low performance. Early reviews mentioned that the big core could not even run at the same time as the small cores. This was a while before Windows 11 and Alder Lake. Even with improvements, it remains an ultra low power chip with old cores (Sunny Cove and Tremont).
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The Lenova Fold? Give me a single situation where you will need this over a small laptop or can replace a phone at the same time. You probably can't because that situation is non-existent. It doesn't serve two real world purposes. No seriously, if you make a post, give me a single situation it can replace two things in one Lenova Fold device. So again, this product doesn't understand it's own identity all that well is the issue.
Bonus - The Fold4 camera function gives a camera function that NO regular phone in existence can do right now. Use the main camera, the powerful one, to take selfies and you get to see what's being in that selfie. This in itself is a selling point that gives it another edge over conventional phones.
Anyways you have your opinion and I have mine. As I said in the beginning the specs warrant the price increase, not the usefulness to any particular person.
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