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frontpagerrampras posted Nov 03, 2022 05:40 PM
frontpagerrampras posted Nov 03, 2022 05:40 PM

Upgrade Premier Savings Accounts:

($1,000 Minimum Deposit)

3.5% APY

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Upgrade is offering 3.5% APY when you open a Premier Savings Account with minimum $1,000 deposit.

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  • About this deal:
    • Rates are subject to change.
    • No monthly account fees or transfer fees
    • Online transfers to and from other banks
      • Same-day transfers of $100,000 or less to / from other banks
    • FDIC insured up to $250,000 through Cross River Bank, Member FDIC
  • About Upgrade:
    • For more info about Upgrade, click here.
  • Please refer to the forum thread for additional details & discussion. -StrawMan86

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Upgrade is offering 3.5% APY when you open a Premier Savings Account with minimum $1,000 deposit.

Thanks to Community Member rrampras for posting this deal.

Editor's Notes

Written by StrawMan86 | Staff
  • About this deal:
    • Rates are subject to change.
    • No monthly account fees or transfer fees
    • Online transfers to and from other banks
      • Same-day transfers of $100,000 or less to / from other banks
    • FDIC insured up to $250,000 through Cross River Bank, Member FDIC
  • About Upgrade:
    • For more info about Upgrade, click here.
  • Please refer to the forum thread for additional details & discussion. -StrawMan86

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ImaPuppy
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Unfortunately that's not how it works. Savings account rates (and other interest-bearing products) are based on various dated bond yields as well as interest rates they charge clients for loan products (which are correlated). These don't magically change based on what the Fed does, but on what they're expected to do. The 75bps rate hike was already priced into bond yields (taking yield curve flattening aside). What wasn't priced in, and why savings rates are higher now than they were, say, a year or two ago, is precisely the divergence from expectation at that time: The Fed guidance indicated fewer hikes of less amounts (0-25bps) and have exceeded that..but that was only really known over the last few months as they consistently shift guidance, or the "target rate" via a dot plot.

The point I'm making is, if the Fed meets expectations (currently 50bps-50bps-25bps-pause) over the next 4 meetings, the rates will theoretically stay where they are.

To use a real-world example, it's the same reason why mortgage rates have been rising gradually and why they didn't suddenly rise 75bps yesterday or today upon the Fed hike announcement. It's because it was already priced in.

Edit: Note, I'm leaving quite a bit of nuance and detail out of this and am not picking on you in particular. I just see quite a bit of misunderstanding about how consumer interest rate products react to Fed overnight rate hikes and when.

Source: Work in finance
James Mason
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Just wait a little bit. The Feds raised the rate yesterday, These CD, savings, etc. rates will go up.
badger1440
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Discover just went up to 2.75% and still time to grab off up to $450 bonus

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Nov 04, 2022 01:44 PM
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robrob777Nov 04, 2022 01:44 PM
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Vanguard settlement fund (liquid money) is heading to 3.5% by Wednesday. 2yr treasury at 4.8% can be bought in vanguard easily
I found that vanguard settlement fund beats online savings
Nov 04, 2022 01:50 PM
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drew6666Nov 04, 2022 01:50 PM
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Quote from ageez :
No it won't. You don't know what you are talking about. SMH.
Ok come back here when it is 3.3 and apologize for being an ass. I have zero reasons to give false info.

I have an email from Wealthfront stating the fact it will be 3.3 at some point today..
Last edited by drew6666 November 4, 2022 at 07:53 AM.
Nov 04, 2022 01:51 PM
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_DonkeyKong_Nov 04, 2022 01:51 PM
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Quote from robrob777 :
Vanguard settlement fund (liquid money) is heading to 3.5% by Wednesday. 2yr treasury at 4.8% can be bought in vanguard easily
I found that vanguard settlement fund beats online savings
What is the ticker symbol for vanguard settlement fund? Do you know how it compares to fidelity?
Nov 04, 2022 01:54 PM
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drew6666Nov 04, 2022 01:54 PM
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Quote from SlickGatsby :
Wealthfront's own website says 2.55%. https://www.wealthfront.com/cash

how are they so inept that all these banks are offering 3.3% interest but not even advertising it?

are you sure you're getting 3.3% with them?
It will go to 3.3 today according to the wealthfront app & an email sent to current users.
Nov 04, 2022 01:56 PM
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VeronicaV3464Nov 04, 2022 01:56 PM
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Quote from morbaby :
Dollar Savings Direct online bank is up to 3.5%. No fees No minimum.
DollarSavingsDirect.com
Any cons to it? My current savings account is in a semi local bank. I don't have an atm card, but their convenient app and 2hr drive proximity gives me some reassurance if I needed to pull the money quickly. Their rates are no where near this, so highly considering a switch. Thanks for the recommendation
Nov 04, 2022 02:00 PM
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ImaPuppyNov 04, 2022 02:00 PM
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Quote from GreenSparrow306 :
While I agree in theory the reality is the expected rate hikes also come with a probability curve(how likely the projected hikes are) and as we approach the hikes the uncertainty usually(not always) starts to converge. That is why rates actually fluctuate thought out the fed window.

Source: also work in finance
Absolutely right. Like I said, I omitted quite a bit of detail in my post and maybe there are some parts I omitted which could have been added in a concise way. Thanks for contributing and expanding on it.
Nov 04, 2022 02:04 PM
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zzzpcpzzzNov 04, 2022 02:04 PM
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Quote from debpal :
Best option is always to go with 4-week / 8-weeks T-Bill which is 3.67% and 3.99% for now. Next when Fed increase rate again in Dec, these bills will again increase and then re-invest on these.

17 weeks is running for 4.28 which will increase more after Dec hike for sure.

https://www.treasurydirect.gov/au.../upcoming/ [treasurydirect.gov]
This is exactly what I do with extra cash that I might otherwise put in a savings account. I have a checking account and "savings" account at US Treasury.

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Nov 04, 2022 02:04 PM
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ImaPuppyNov 04, 2022 02:04 PM
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Quote from debpal :
Best option is always to go with 4-week / 8-weeks T-Bill which is 3.67% and 3.99% for now. Next when Fed increase rate again in Dec, these bills will again increase and then re-invest on these.

17 weeks is running for 4.28 which will increase more after Dec hike for sure.

https://www.treasurydirect.gov/au.../upcoming/ [treasurydirect.gov]
Not if they hike 25bps, not if guidance on the target rate changes. There's no obvious answer to what t-bills will do between now and the next FOMC. If there were an answer, the discount rates would already be there.

Not that I disagree with buying t-bills as an alternative here.
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irishtroll1984Nov 04, 2022 02:04 PM
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Quote from ImaPuppy :
Unfortunately that's not how it works. Savings account rates (and other interest-bearing products) are based on various dated bond yields as well as interest rates they charge clients for loan products (which are correlated). These don't magically change based on what the Fed does, but on what they're expected to do. The 75bps rate hike was already priced into bond yields (taking yield curve flattening aside). What wasn't priced in, and why savings rates are higher now than they were, say, a year or two ago, is precisely the divergence from expectation at that time: The Fed guidance indicated fewer hikes of less amounts (0-25bps) and have exceeded that..but that was only really known over the last few months as they consistently shift guidance, or the "target rate" via a dot plot.

The point I'm making is, if the Fed meets expectations (currently 50bps-50bps-25bps-pause) over the next 4 meetings, the rates will theoretically stay where they are.

To use a real-world example, it's the same reason why mortgage rates have been rising gradually and why they didn't suddenly rise 75bps yesterday or today upon the Fed hike announcement. It's because it was already priced in.

Edit: Note, I'm leaving quite a bit of nuance and detail out of this and am not picking on you in particular. I just see quite a bit of misunderstanding about how consumer interest rate products react to Fed overnight rate hikes and when.

Source: Work in finance
You are partially incorrect. While you are right about your statement regarding bond yields, you are incorrect in stating that savings account rates won't go up because the interest rate increase is already "baked in". If you still don't believe me, take note of the many online savings account rates today on 11/04, and then look at them a week from now.

Each time the Fed raises, my rate goes up typically within a week. I may not get the full 0.75% bump that the Fed processes, but I always get a bump (although my most recent bump was the full 0.75%).

Bonds are a whole other animal and they are actively traded on a large market. They are anticipatory because people will trade them based on future expectations of monetary and, to a lesser extent, fiscal policy. Savings account interest rates do not trade on an open market, rather they are tied to the federal funds rate which is the rate that banks pay for overnight lending (necessary to meet reserve requirements set by the Fed). If the Fed raises those rates, or lowers them, it has direct implications for what you see in your savings account rate.
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OrangeStag2904Nov 04, 2022 02:08 PM
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Quote from TurtlePerson2 :
Current Bonds & CD Rates [fidelity.com]
3 month treasuries are above 4% now. 2 year CDs will pay 5%. There's a really narrow niche of people who are well served by choosing a savings account over a CD or a treasury right now.
4% and no SALT... doctor did tell me to cut salt in my diet...
Nov 04, 2022 02:11 PM
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ImaPuppyNov 04, 2022 02:11 PM
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Quote from irishtroll1984 :
You are partially incorrect. While you are right about your statement regarding bond yields, you are incorrect in stating that savings account rates won't go up because the interest rate increase is already "baked in". If you still don't believe me, take note of the many online savings account rates today on 11/04, and then look at them a week from now.

Each time the Fed raises, my rate goes up typically within a week. I may not get the full 0.75% bump that the Fed processes, but I always get a bump (although my most recent bump was the full 0.75%).

Bonds are a whole other animal and they are actively traded on a large market. They are anticipatory because people will trade them based on future expectations of monetary and, to a lesser extent, fiscal policy. Savings account interest rates do not trade on an open market, rather they are tied to the federal funds rate which is the rate that banks pay for overnight lending (necessary to meet reserve requirements set by the Fed). If the Fed raises those rates, or lowers them, it has direct implications for what you see in your savings account rate.
Sure, that's all accurate but to be fair, that doesn't really change what I've said. It's based on what the Fed does, relative to what the Fed was expected to do. Go look at breakevens to understand first of all what expected inflation will be and as an effect of that, what the target rate might be. This can be calculated (right now 50-50-25-pause), so what I said isn't inaccurate, I just didn't write out a multi-page explanation so as to get the general point across becasue the sheer mass of people who believe their rates will change "if the Fed hikes" is staggering and misinformed.

There are countless reddit threads across various subs asking whether they should lock in a mortgage rate the day before the FOMC thinking they'll get a mortgage rate the exact bps lower than the Fed is hiking. And those posts aren't universally corrected. It's a real issue in financial literacy and this extends to savings accounts.
Last edited by ImaPuppy November 4, 2022 at 08:16 AM.
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Quote from drew6666 :
It will go to 3.3 today according to the wealthfront app & an email sent to current users.
What is the daily ach withdrawal limit for wealthfront?
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roadrunnercjNov 04, 2022 02:21 PM
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Quote from iBoo :
Only up to $1000 for 3.5%. How about a bank with no cap offering 3%?
My bank is offering 3.5% and I have no cap and FULLY insured deposit. Not sure if its still available though
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SlidingBikeNov 04, 2022 02:21 PM
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Also a $100K deposit for 90 days adds $1K bonus too.

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OrangeStag2904Nov 04, 2022 02:25 PM
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robinhood offers 3.75% for their gold member ($5 monthly fee). and it is SIPC "insured"
Last edited by OrangeStag2904 November 4, 2022 at 08:28 AM.

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