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Model: QNAP TS-453D-4G 4 Bay NAS for Professionals with Intel® Celeron® J4125 CPU and Two 2.5GbE Ports
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They dont routinely get hacked, Synology has had just as many exposures to ransomware such as eCh0raix, brute force attacks happen.
The problem is as mentioned people open up the internet and use very easy to guess passwords, then they also dont update their environment regularly. Been running QNAP NAS devices for over 10 years now, not a single ransomware issue in my environment.
If you look at the majority of people who get hit with it, its people who haven't updated in a long time.
Its not much more secure, they had a vulnerability for well over a year after it was reported to them and still didnt do anything about it a few years ago.
They are definitely more "Apple like" I had synology units in the past they were nice, but the price tag for the hardware you got was not equal and now they lost their OS edge and QNAP OS in my opinion is way more powerful and also user friendly. That was not true 5 years ago.
Stay away from qnap. They routinely get hacked and the only safe option is to unplug it from the network which defeats its purpose.
I used Synology for almost a decade including xpenology then I moved to Qnap and that's been almost 6 yrs ago (TVS-682 with i7-6700T).
That's total of 16 years of 24/7 being online and exposed on the internet and I have never been hack on both.
I like Qnap better because of their cheaper but more powerful hardware. They also have virtualization, and some basic networking and virtual switch. Qnap offer more features as far as I know 6 yrs ago unless Synology were able to keep up.
In short, Qnap has more powerful but more affordable hardware and more features.
I used Synology for almost a decade including xpenology then I moved to Qnap and that's been almost 6 yrs ago (TVS-682 with i7-6700T).
That's total of 16 years of 24/7 being online and exposed on the internet and I have never been hack on both.
I like Qnap better because of their cheaper but more powerful hardware. They also have virtualization, and some basic networking and virtual switch. Qnap offer more features as far as I know 6 yrs ago unless Synology were able to keep up.
In short, Qnap has more powerful but more affordable hardware and more features.
I haven't checked recently but things that make me think it 3 times before going QNAP is Synology's software and their customer support. Specially SHR, does QNAP came with their version of SHR? I heard Asustor was working on something like SHR.
The other thing is Synology Photos (which is not perfect) seemed to be more polished than QNAP's.
Did you ever had to call QNAP's customer service or make a warranty claim? Was it smooth?
A big problem with QNAP is that they haven't been able to figure out sleep. My QNAP 453-Be just keeps churning all day 24/7. Even when I'm not accessing it. Hard disks just keep in spinning and it's always doing 'something' (I don't know what). I've deleted the whole OS multiple times, after removing data and transferring it back; setting it up from scratch. It doesn't help. Numerous posts on their forum complaining about the same issue. Many people on their forums agree that basically forget about device going to sleep with the QNAP. My synology on the other hand goes to sleep and wakes up only when needed.
Unfortunately prices on 4-bay units are high. I will move to synology back again some day, but waiting on their next gen systems that should be better with 4K transcoding.
For those who keep saying QNAP will get hacked, you should go do some research about other NAS and internet security. Even Synology users won't dare to expose their NAS to the internet directly. In fact, no one should do so simply because there have been ransomware targeting at NAS devices. I now bascially only use QNAP's CloudLink (Synology: QuickConnect, same technology) for remote access which is way more secure than most NAS IMO.
Silly noob NAS questions. With a 4 bay, some questions:
1) If I grow out of all 4 disks, how do you upgrade them without breaking the array and losing the data?
2) Does anyone else use this as their primary drive? Would love to not worry about storing the 8TB I have locally.
3) What is the ideal setup? 2 x Raid 1 for example?
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How is the performance on this model? I have an entry level model TS-231P from a few years ago, and it was painful to open up folders with large number (thousands) of pictures.
It's solid, but upgrade to any cheap 16GB RAM module. Any laptop ddr from a recognized brand with same speed and timings will do. I run a couple lightweight VMs on mine, one dual core one single core.
You NEED VirtIO drivers if you choose to run Windows VMs; Google some easy how-to's if not familiar, because if you don't the VMs will struggle like you're remoted in from the north pole, laggy/unresponsive/disk latency/disconnects. With the drivers they're fine. Don't be halfway to repackaging the QNAP like I was before realizing there's a solution.
Handles aggregated 2.5Gbe x2 just fine with my Netgear 10-Gig switch.
Skip the Tiering/SSD cache if all you're doing is using it as a file server.
Mine's been good for a year and a half now, no hiccups, but set Firmware update to manual and delay that shit a couple months at least because QNAP sometimes does an oopsy.
Security = no worse nor better than any other brand, it's all about whether the person who manages the device left it wide open to the internet or not. Locking down remote access to certain IPs should be the bare minimum, and ideally no outside access at all.
Silly noob NAS questions. With a 4 bay, some questions:
1) If I grow out of all 4 disks, how do you upgrade them without breaking the array and losing the data?
2) Does anyone else use this as their primary drive? Would love to not worry about storing the 8TB I have locally.
3) What is the ideal setup? 2 x Raid 1 for example?
1. You can do capacity expansion by replacing drives one by one. This will take some time depends on how big your drive is, but the good thing is, during the process you still get to access your data.
2. I have been using a few similar QNAP NAS for several years as my primary storage along with an external RAID enclosure TR-002 for backup (remember: RAID is not backup, don't just store everything on a NAS without any backup). Before that, I used to own a Synology 5 bay NAS which died twice because of the C2000 CPU failure.
3. For a 4 bay NAS, most ppl would choose RAID 5.
It's solid, but upgrade to any cheap 16GB RAM module. Any laptop ddr from a recognized brand with same speed and timings will do. I run a couple lightweight VMs on mine, one dual core one single core.
You NEED VirtIO drivers if you choose to run Windows VMs; Google some easy how-to's if not familiar, because if you don't the VMs will struggle like you're remoted in from the north pole, laggy/unresponsive/disk latency/disconnects. With the drivers they're fine. Don't be halfway to repackaging the QNAP like I was before realizing there's a solution.
Handles aggregated 2.5Gbe x2 just fine with my Netgear 10-Gig switch.
Skip the Tiering/SSD cache if all you're doing is using it as a file server.
Mine's been good for a year and a half now, no hiccups, but set Firmware update to manual and delay that shit a couple months at least because QNAP sometimes does an oopsy.
Security = no worse nor better than any other brand, it's all about whether the person who manages the device left it wide open to the internet or not. Locking down remote access to certain IPs should be the bare minimum, and ideally no outside access at all.
Have had this exact unit for a little over 9 months now I think and very solid.
Started with 4x3TB drives and just recently replaced 2 of them with 6TB drives. Have 2x raid 1 volumes for storing movies, pictures, music and docs. Even setup an encrypted backup of docs to OneDrive.
Very nice.
Thanks,
Bub
Can you run it with just 2 bays and then expand later without needing to format ?
I've got one loaded up. Some upgrades to consider: 32GB RAM upgrade, TrueNAS Scale, and a 10GB NIC. If you get a generic NIC, then you'll have to remove the bracket to make it fit. Also note that that PCIe slot is Gen2 x2. The QNAP software is slow, clunky, and just feels like something that would have security holes in it, but TrueNAS has made it an awesome NAS.
For the price it's definitely not bad, but my next NAS build will be something more custom with ECC memory support, full bandwidth 10GB, NVME for cache, and if possible a dedicated GPU for encode.
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https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01BIWMWVS/ is what I happened to get, was on some kind of deal for $40ish, look for similar from any budget brand DDR4-2400 CL17 SO-DIMM. You may see DDR4-2666 mentioned in some articles about NAS RAM upgrades but tbh don't even bother with better/faster RAM, there is virtually no difference and it would only add extra power consumption/heat/instability... you want closer-to-stock speed and stability.
Like the poster above me mentioned, it does take up to 2x 16GB modules... I just didn't know what I'd do with all that since you only have 4 cores, so went with 2x8. You'd have to have a very specific use case, like maybe a SQL DB of the ram-hungry variety. Because regular operation plus 12GB reserved to 2 VMs doesn't make 16GB break a sweat. There is also a memory sharing feature which, if enabled, shifts the NAS's memory pool to different VMs/processes when needed automatically, further reducing chance of a ram crunch.
Like anything else it depends what you're trying to do... my case with 2 VMs isn't the most common either.
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The problem is as mentioned people open up the internet and use very easy to guess passwords, then they also dont update their environment regularly. Been running QNAP NAS devices for over 10 years now, not a single ransomware issue in my environment.
If you look at the majority of people who get hit with it, its people who haven't updated in a long time.
Its not much more secure, they had a vulnerability for well over a year after it was reported to them and still didnt do anything about it a few years ago.
They are definitely more "Apple like" I had synology units in the past they were nice, but the price tag for the hardware you got was not equal and now they lost their OS edge and QNAP OS in my opinion is way more powerful and also user friendly. That was not true 5 years ago.
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I'm watching the DS920+ but this is tempting.
That's total of 16 years of 24/7 being online and exposed on the internet and I have never been hack on both.
I like Qnap better because of their cheaper but more powerful hardware. They also have virtualization, and some basic networking and virtual switch. Qnap offer more features as far as I know 6 yrs ago unless Synology were able to keep up.
In short, Qnap has more powerful but more affordable hardware and more features.
That's total of 16 years of 24/7 being online and exposed on the internet and I have never been hack on both.
I like Qnap better because of their cheaper but more powerful hardware. They also have virtualization, and some basic networking and virtual switch. Qnap offer more features as far as I know 6 yrs ago unless Synology were able to keep up.
In short, Qnap has more powerful but more affordable hardware and more features.
The other thing is Synology Photos (which is not perfect) seemed to be more polished than QNAP's.
Did you ever had to call QNAP's customer service or make a warranty claim? Was it smooth?
Unfortunately prices on 4-bay units are high. I will move to synology back again some day, but waiting on their next gen systems that should be better with 4K transcoding.
1) If I grow out of all 4 disks, how do you upgrade them without breaking the array and losing the data?
2) Does anyone else use this as their primary drive? Would love to not worry about storing the 8TB I have locally.
3) What is the ideal setup? 2 x Raid 1 for example?
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You NEED VirtIO drivers if you choose to run Windows VMs; Google some easy how-to's if not familiar, because if you don't the VMs will struggle like you're remoted in from the north pole, laggy/unresponsive/disk latency/disconnects. With the drivers they're fine. Don't be halfway to repackaging the QNAP like I was before realizing there's a solution.
Handles aggregated 2.5Gbe x2 just fine with my Netgear 10-Gig switch.
Skip the Tiering/SSD cache if all you're doing is using it as a file server.
Mine's been good for a year and a half now, no hiccups, but set Firmware update to manual and delay that shit a couple months at least because QNAP sometimes does an oopsy.
Security = no worse nor better than any other brand, it's all about whether the person who manages the device left it wide open to the internet or not. Locking down remote access to certain IPs should be the bare minimum, and ideally no outside access at all.
1) If I grow out of all 4 disks, how do you upgrade them without breaking the array and losing the data?
2) Does anyone else use this as their primary drive? Would love to not worry about storing the 8TB I have locally.
3) What is the ideal setup? 2 x Raid 1 for example?
2. I have been using a few similar QNAP NAS for several years as my primary storage along with an external RAID enclosure TR-002 for backup (remember: RAID is not backup, don't just store everything on a NAS without any backup). Before that, I used to own a Synology 5 bay NAS which died twice because of the C2000 CPU failure.
3. For a 4 bay NAS, most ppl would choose RAID 5.
You NEED VirtIO drivers if you choose to run Windows VMs; Google some easy how-to's if not familiar, because if you don't the VMs will struggle like you're remoted in from the north pole, laggy/unresponsive/disk latency/disconnects. With the drivers they're fine. Don't be halfway to repackaging the QNAP like I was before realizing there's a solution.
Handles aggregated 2.5Gbe x2 just fine with my Netgear 10-Gig switch.
Skip the Tiering/SSD cache if all you're doing is using it as a file server.
Mine's been good for a year and a half now, no hiccups, but set Firmware update to manual and delay that shit a couple months at least because QNAP sometimes does an oopsy.
Security = no worse nor better than any other brand, it's all about whether the person who manages the device left it wide open to the internet or not. Locking down remote access to certain IPs should be the bare minimum, and ideally no outside access at all.
and if there is one for 16GB too.
thanks.
Started with 4x3TB drives and just recently replaced 2 of them with 6TB drives. Have 2x raid 1 volumes for storing movies, pictures, music and docs. Even setup an encrypted backup of docs to OneDrive.
Very nice.
Thanks,
Bub
For the price it's definitely not bad, but my next NAS build will be something more custom with ECC memory support, full bandwidth 10GB, NVME for cache, and if possible a dedicated GPU for encode.
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Like the poster above me mentioned, it does take up to 2x 16GB modules... I just didn't know what I'd do with all that since you only have 4 cores, so went with 2x8. You'd have to have a very specific use case, like maybe a SQL DB of the ram-hungry variety. Because regular operation plus 12GB reserved to 2 VMs doesn't make 16GB break a sweat. There is also a memory sharing feature which, if enabled, shifts the NAS's memory pool to different VMs/processes when needed automatically, further reducing chance of a ram crunch.
Like anything else it depends what you're trying to do... my case with 2 VMs isn't the most common either.
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