expiredvns1 posted Dec 13, 2022 05:43 AM
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expiredvns1 posted Dec 13, 2022 05:43 AM
QNAP TS-653D-4G 6-Bay NAS Enclosure
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Sorry for rambling. TL;DR: this is completely inadequate for transcoding really anything (not just 4k), but you shouldn't need too nowadays.
QTS isn't terrible, I do think it's behind Synology or the others that you mentioned if you're just looking to NAS this device.
QNAP does have a lot of zero days - but it's pretty well documented about not opening up anything to internet on their forums, well any forums for QNAP due to this. Pretty standard for any type of App/Hardware these days to limit the attack surface as much as possible.
There's the third-party / maintained QPKG repos out there to help. But yeah, they're slow to update and they're third-party. I didn't find them clunky and worked as expected.
I migrated all my Apps (Sonarr/Radarr/Sab/PiHole...ect) to container station via Portainer / Compose. I do think Container Station would be okay but just for overall management Portainer is the way to go.
Not sure where you're getting the VM loading times and specifically for Home Assistant, as that's how I'm running my HA instance. It's back up in less than minute during updates via the App or system reboots (well maybe slightly on VM restart, def no where near 20mins)
I also have an Microsoft Intune/ConfigMgr lab running in there with multiple different client OS's for testing; Ubuntu and Ansible/Teraform lab - they're all speedy, I haven't found any issues.
I've updated the memory to 32gigs and haven't had any Kernel Panics / stops. The VMs see the memory I assigned and it's def over the allotted 8gbs.
I don't know, I just haven't had the experience you've outlined above with mine. I've maxed out the drives with 14TB disks, 32gb RAM. I did a lot of research when I first started looking and it was between this guy and a 6 bay Synology, I ended up on the QNAP just for the hardware and I knew coming in EVERYONE said QNAP software sucks and is inferior to Synology - I was worried I was going to see that. I've never used Synology - but I can say that I haven't felt I couldn't do something I wanted or had issues with so far. I don't regret going QNAP.
1. This is a Celeron CPU - so, expectations need to be adjusted accordingly. Don't expect some tremendous performance with transcoding videos for example - but it will still do the job.
2. RAM - it does support and can use 32GB (which is super handy if you want to run a few containers). That's what I have, tested and confirmed. The caveat - you must use dual-rank memory modules. Here are the details: https://forum.qnap.com/viewtopic.php?t
3. Fan noise - I have the 4-drive unit, fan is practically silent.
4. HDD temperatures - it is more than good. To do initial burn-in on the drives I ran ShredOS (similar to DBAN) to fill 4x16TB drives multiple times with random data. This was a 100% load for the drives for over a week - which is way beyond what's typical for a NAS - and all drives kept 40-41C and the entire system performed flawlessly.
5. Do you need 2.5G Ethernet ports - YES! With 4 drives at 160-180MB/sec I was getting 600-700Mb/sec combined easily from the drives. Your bottleneck is the LAN port. Even if you bridge the two you will still hit the limit.
6. Extra PCIe slot is very handy. I was surprised that a 10GBps Mellanox 311 SFP+ card was literally a plug-and-play thing. It was fully supported and just worked.
Minor annoyance with that - you will have to mess with the low-profile bracket as QNAP decided to use a non-standard bracket. Not that it was a big deal - I had to bent one bit, and drill a new hole for the screw (as I insisted on it being installed and screwed properly). You could just install it without the bracket and it will be mostly fine - after all you will likely put the NAS somewhere once and never move it from there.
7. The 6-drive unit is extra tempting as drives are really cheap those days. So, instead of transcoding or do other magics to reduce file size I would just get a few extra drives.
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The QTS is great. It has lots of settings which I personally appreciate. It is also easy to use in my opinion. Yes, I had to tweak some settings to improve security, but it was a one time exercise.
I run Unifi network at home, so my UDM Pro scans all traffic for potential cyber attacks. I also banned incoming traffic from other countries to minimize the risk of an attack.
So I've been happy with QNAP units for 8 years now. Let me know if you have any questions.
If you get this, just....don't bother with QTS (the QNAP operating system). Get a high quality USB flash drive and boot something like unRAID or freeNAS or trueNAS.
Seriously.
QTS is horrible. When you first set it up, it's wide open. uPnP is enabled, so if it's enabled in your router too congrats! Your NAS is wide open to the internet!
myqnapcloud is a remote administration tool that relies on...again...a wide-open port. Worse, the software is so easily exploited that QNAP devices are frequently targeted for ransomware attacks. Even if you exclusively use your NAS for your own enjoyment and never publish anything externally, it'll get found and it'll get attacked.
Now - you can disable uPnP, close all ports except one you use as a VPN server (not client) port. That will work rather well. It's a good decision...however...
...QNAP software sucks. You can get the QNAP versions of things like Plex, or you can download versions of Sonarr/Radarr or other apps - it might work, but it's clunky.
...and if you decide to go about it through docker, they DO have container station...but it's crippled. It works poorly. You can put portainer on there and it'll make things better, but not all the way.
...and if you instead just want to run a VM - Virtualization Station is super slow. Like...20 minutes to boot home assistant (lightweight home automation software) slow.
...and the memory support only goes to 8gb. Yeah you can put more, and yeah it can detect and use it...but QTS finds a way to kernel panic once a week with anything more than 8gb in this type of machine. It's a virtual guarantee.
This device is good for its hardware, the fact that it sips, not chugs, electricity, and can relatively easily be used with a different OS.
EDIT - yes you can get used certified r720 with 128gb of memory for this price. It's also loud, chugs electricity, and doesn't sit beautifully in a small footprint where it could potentially live on your TV cabinet or somewhere like that.
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Sorry for rambling. TL;DR: this is completely inadequate for transcoding really anything (not just 4k), but you shouldn't need too nowadays.
Qnaps are beast but this deal isn't the modular ones where you can add or upgrade hardware stuffs. People should get the one with AM4 socket and put the 16 core 32 thread 5950x cpu in it and call it a day
Sorry for rambling. TL;DR: this is completely inadequate for transcoding really anything (not just 4k), but you shouldn't need too nowadays.
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Also my understanding is ZFS and BRTFS both support file checksum but ext4 doesn't so it doesn't help protect again bitrot. And you won't know there is bitrot issue until you read the file (like if you open word document in MS Word and it said invalid format(?)). And if you don't know there is bitrot problem with the files, when you make backup of those files, you are just backing up corrupted files and the "bad" file will cascade to your backup without you knowing.
For QNAP NAS that support ZFS, I believe the NAS need to support QuTS hero which only in higher end model of QNAP NAS. For something that has 6 hard drive, seems like there is more chance of bitrot to one of them and without checksum, you won't know which harddrive has bitrot. Wish this one has QuTS Hero OS support.
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