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QNAP TS-653D-4G 6-Bay NAS Enclosure

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B&H Photo Video has QNAP TS-653D-4G-US 6-Bay NAS Enclosure on sale for $559 > now $519.99. Shipping is free.

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  • Intel Celeron J4125 quad-core 2.0 GHz processor (burst up to 2.7 GHz)
  • Intel HD Graphics 600
  • 4GB SO-DIMM DDR4 (Max 8GB)
  • 6 x 3.5-inch drive bays (Diskless)
  • 2 x 2.5GbE ports
  • 1 x PCIe Gen 2 slot
  • 3 x USB 2.0 ports
  • 2 x USB 3.2 Gen 1 ports
  • 1 x HDMI output

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B&H Photo Video has QNAP TS-653D-4G-US 6-Bay NAS Enclosure on sale for $559 > now $519.99. Shipping is free.

Thanks to Community Member vns1 for finding this deal.

Key Features:
  • Intel Celeron J4125 quad-core 2.0 GHz processor (burst up to 2.7 GHz)
  • Intel HD Graphics 600
  • 4GB SO-DIMM DDR4 (Max 8GB)
  • 6 x 3.5-inch drive bays (Diskless)
  • 2 x 2.5GbE ports
  • 1 x PCIe Gen 2 slot
  • 3 x USB 2.0 ports
  • 2 x USB 3.2 Gen 1 ports
  • 1 x HDMI output

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  • About this deal:
    • This is priced $90 lower (13.8% savings) than the $649 list price.
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  • About this product:
    • This has a 4.5 out of 5 star overall rating on Amazon based on over 840 reviews.
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Dead_Cow
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Not well at all. I have 3 QNAP devices at home (TVS-672XT, TVS-471 and a TS-451D2-2G). The TS-451D2-2G is a 4 bay celeron that I decked out with 32GB of RAM. I have recently transcoded all my movies and shows to HEVC (h265). You could clean up all your media, and store it all your on this, then make sure you're streaming to modern devices only and turn off transcoding entirely. If you do that, this will be fine, otherwise, you'll need to turn off some features of Plex (like video thumbnail creation) because this will have a hard time getting out of it's own way. Even my TVS-672XT that's upgraded to an i7 with 64GB of RAM has a hard time with multiple 4k streams, but the truth is you don't need to transcode in many cases anymore if you've chosen the correct media formats to store in, then, install TDARR and let it go to town turning your entire collection to that format. A side benefit of transcoding to h265 is a massive space savings. I went from my collection being 24TB to 13TB with no perceivable loss to visual clarity. If you're not running some million dollar AV system, I have some 4k movies encoded with h265 and 5/1 AC3 that are less that 2GB in size. Also, make sure to remove all burned in subtitles. That's a huge cause for transcoding.

Sorry for rambling. TL;DR: this is completely inadequate for transcoding really anything (not just 4k), but you shouldn't need too nowadays.
pwnbox
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I've had this unit for a while now. And I think you got a defective unit; unless if you're speaking from personal experience and not collection of angry reddit posts - I would look to replace it.

QTS isn't terrible, I do think it's behind Synology or the others that you mentioned if you're just looking to NAS this device.

QNAP does have a lot of zero days - but it's pretty well documented about not opening up anything to internet on their forums, well any forums for QNAP due to this. Pretty standard for any type of App/Hardware these days to limit the attack surface as much as possible.

There's the third-party / maintained QPKG repos out there to help. But yeah, they're slow to update and they're third-party. I didn't find them clunky and worked as expected.

I migrated all my Apps (Sonarr/Radarr/Sab/PiHole...ect) to container station via Portainer / Compose. I do think Container Station would be okay but just for overall management Portainer is the way to go.

Not sure where you're getting the VM loading times and specifically for Home Assistant, as that's how I'm running my HA instance. It's back up in less than minute during updates via the App or system reboots (well maybe slightly on VM restart, def no where near 20mins)

I also have an Microsoft Intune/ConfigMgr lab running in there with multiple different client OS's for testing; Ubuntu and Ansible/Teraform lab - they're all speedy, I haven't found any issues.

I've updated the memory to 32gigs and haven't had any Kernel Panics / stops. The VMs see the memory I assigned and it's def over the allotted 8gbs.


I don't know, I just haven't had the experience you've outlined above with mine. I've maxed out the drives with 14TB disks, 32gb RAM. I did a lot of research when I first started looking and it was between this guy and a 6 bay Synology, I ended up on the QNAP just for the hardware and I knew coming in EVERYONE said QNAP software sucks and is inferior to Synology - I was worried I was going to see that. I've never used Synology - but I can say that I haven't felt I couldn't do something I wanted or had issues with so far. I don't regret going QNAP.
vns1
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Just to mention a few things that seem to be lost:
1. This is a Celeron CPU - so, expectations need to be adjusted accordingly. Don't expect some tremendous performance with transcoding videos for example - but it will still do the job.
2. RAM - it does support and can use 32GB (which is super handy if you want to run a few containers). That's what I have, tested and confirmed. The caveat - you must use dual-rank memory modules. Here are the details: https://forum.qnap.com/viewtopic.php?t=165535
3. Fan noise - I have the 4-drive unit, fan is practically silent.
4. HDD temperatures - it is more than good. To do initial burn-in on the drives I ran ShredOS (similar to DBAN) to fill 4x16TB drives multiple times with random data. This was a 100% load for the drives for over a week - which is way beyond what's typical for a NAS - and all drives kept 40-41C and the entire system performed flawlessly.
5. Do you need 2.5G Ethernet ports - YES! With 4 drives at 160-180MB/sec I was getting 600-700Mb/sec combined easily from the drives. Your bottleneck is the LAN port. Even if you bridge the two you will still hit the limit.
6. Extra PCIe slot is very handy. I was surprised that a 10GBps Mellanox 311 SFP+ card was literally a plug-and-play thing. It was fully supported and just worked.
Minor annoyance with that - you will have to mess with the low-profile bracket as QNAP decided to use a non-standard bracket. Not that it was a big deal - I had to bent one bit, and drill a new hole for the screw (as I insisted on it being installed and screwed properly). You could just install it without the bracket and it will be mostly fine - after all you will likely put the NAS somewhere once and never move it from there.
7. The 6-drive unit is extra tempting as drives are really cheap those days. So, instead of transcoding or do other magics to reduce file size I would just get a few extra drives.

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Dec 13, 2022 10:22 PM
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GeorgeP4063Dec 13, 2022 10:22 PM
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Years ago, I bought a QNAP 431p off the recommendations of this site. I haven't regretted that purchase. So many uses beyond just streaming movies. Thanks everyone.
Dec 13, 2022 10:33 PM
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double_denialDec 13, 2022 10:33 PM
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I've been using the 6 bay model for more than 2 years now with zero issues. Paid full price after my older 2 bay model had died all of a sudden. Anyways. I also upgraded ram to 32GB. I run a GitLab VM, multiple docker containers, Plex server, QSync, QVpn, Download Station, HBS3 Backup and a couple more apps and the RAM utilization barely hits 30% mark.

The QTS is great. It has lots of settings which I personally appreciate. It is also easy to use in my opinion. Yes, I had to tweak some settings to improve security, but it was a one time exercise.

I run Unifi network at home, so my UDM Pro scans all traffic for potential cyber attacks. I also banned incoming traffic from other countries to minimize the risk of an attack.

So I've been happy with QNAP units for 8 years now. Let me know if you have any questions.
Dec 13, 2022 10:41 PM
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ducksoup18Dec 13, 2022 10:41 PM
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Quote from zhsa :
It look like you can install 32GB memory and boot it up, but the precessor is only able to use 8GB anyway
I have the 2 bay version of this and it recognizes 32gb for me. Threw in a generic PCIe nvme card for a cached drive and have it all running unraid very smoothly.
Dec 13, 2022 11:38 PM
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ducksoup18Dec 13, 2022 11:38 PM
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Quote from nobody2000 :
This is a QNAP. Good hardware. Good Price. Horrible software.

If you get this, just....don't bother with QTS (the QNAP operating system). Get a high quality USB flash drive and boot something like unRAID or freeNAS or trueNAS.

Seriously.

QTS is horrible. When you first set it up, it's wide open. uPnP is enabled, so if it's enabled in your router too congrats! Your NAS is wide open to the internet!

myqnapcloud is a remote administration tool that relies on...again...a wide-open port. Worse, the software is so easily exploited that QNAP devices are frequently targeted for ransomware attacks. Even if you exclusively use your NAS for your own enjoyment and never publish anything externally, it'll get found and it'll get attacked.

Now - you can disable uPnP, close all ports except one you use as a VPN server (not client) port. That will work rather well. It's a good decision...however...

...QNAP software sucks. You can get the QNAP versions of things like Plex, or you can download versions of Sonarr/Radarr or other apps - it might work, but it's clunky.

...and if you decide to go about it through docker, they DO have container station...but it's crippled. It works poorly. You can put portainer on there and it'll make things better, but not all the way.

...and if you instead just want to run a VM - Virtualization Station is super slow. Like...20 minutes to boot home assistant (lightweight home automation software) slow.

...and the memory support only goes to 8gb. Yeah you can put more, and yeah it can detect and use it...but QTS finds a way to kernel panic once a week with anything more than 8gb in this type of machine. It's a virtual guarantee.

This device is good for its hardware, the fact that it sips, not chugs, electricity, and can relatively easily be used with a different OS.

EDIT - yes you can get used certified r720 with 128gb of memory for this price. It's also loud, chugs electricity, and doesn't sit beautifully in a small footprint where it could potentially live on your TV cabinet or somewhere like that.
Im running unraid on mine and its pretty great.
Dec 14, 2022 01:16 AM
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catbertDec 14, 2022 01:16 AM
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I don't get why people would like to pay $560 for what's effectively a Celeron PC? 2.5GbE cards are like $30 piece.
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leecm
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Dec 14, 2022 01:25 AM
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What is a good resource for getting my 4 bay QNAP NAS set up securely, with everything I need for redundancy. Do I need snapshots if I'm just doing file storage?
Dec 14, 2022 01:25 AM
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nineheadDec 14, 2022 01:25 AM
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Quote from GeorgeP4063 :
Years ago, I bought a QNAP 431p off the recommendations of this site. I haven't regretted that purchase. So many uses beyond just streaming movies. Thanks everyone.
I am still using it. Put ssd drives in the nas and connected an external WD duo for media. With 1g RAM, I can run syncthing, Media server, and hyper backup and that's all I need.

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Dec 14, 2022 01:27 AM
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nineheadDec 14, 2022 01:27 AM
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Plan to upgrade to TS-932PX-4G but it's never on sale..
Dec 14, 2022 01:34 AM
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liamtoh1Dec 14, 2022 01:34 AM
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Quote from leecm :
What is a good resource for getting my 4 bay QNAP NAS set up securely, with everything I need for redundancy. Do I need snapshots if I'm just doing file storage?
There may be other resources but you can start here [nascompares.com]
Dec 14, 2022 01:40 AM
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DragonflyPunchDec 14, 2022 01:40 AM
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I have a QNAP 453Be and also an older synology. I was initially impressed by QNAP. But one of the biggest problems with QNAP is that it JUST DOESN'T GO TO SLEEP. It continues to chug along day in and day out. Drives are permanently spinning. It's noisy as hell in my computer room. I have no idea what it's doing permanently day in and day out. It's as if it's processing something but then I have nothing running. It scares the hell out of me. Believe me - I tried everything. At one time I even reformatted the whole thing (after painstakingly removing all data and setting it up again from scratch). That didn't help. Long threads on QNAP forums complaining about the same thing. The general consensus seems to be that sleep on QNAP is basically broken. (And if you use any docker container then basically don't even try; but it's broken even without that).
Dec 14, 2022 02:14 AM
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lgrullonbbDec 14, 2022 02:14 AM
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I have this NAS, its amazing for the last 2 years. Highly recommended and amazing price!

Dec 14, 2022 02:32 AM
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Broke_AFDec 14, 2022 02:32 AM
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Quote from Dead_Cow :
Not well at all. I have 3 QNAP devices at home (TVS-672XT, TVS-471 and a TS-451D2-2G). The TS-451D2-2G is a 4 bay celeron that I decked out with 32GB of RAM. I have recently transcoded all my movies and shows to HEVC (h265). You could clean up all your media, and store it all your on this, then make sure you're streaming to modern devices only and turn off transcoding entirely. If you do that, this will be fine, otherwise, you'll need to turn off some features of Plex (like video thumbnail creation) because this will have a hard time getting out of it's own way. Even my TVS-672XT that's upgraded to an i7 with 64GB of RAM has a hard time with multiple 4k streams, but the truth is you don't need to transcode in many cases anymore if you've chosen the correct media formats to store in, then, install TDARR and let it go to town turning your entire collection to that format. A side benefit of transcoding to h265 is a massive space savings. I went from my collection being 24TB to 13TB with no perceivable loss to visual clarity. If you're not running some million dollar AV system, I have some 4k movies encoded with h265 and 5/1 AC3 that are less that 2GB in size. Also, make sure to remove all burned in subtitles. That's a huge cause for transcoding.

Sorry for rambling. TL;DR: this is completely inadequate for transcoding really anything (not just 4k), but you shouldn't need too nowadays.
My x82t has a full pcie slot for video card. I put one and it can transcode multiple videos at lightspeed without bothering the i7 cpu.

Qnaps are beast but this deal isn't the modular ones where you can add or upgrade hardware stuffs. People should get the one with AM4 socket and put the 16 core 32 thread 5950x cpu in it and call it a day
Dec 14, 2022 03:14 AM
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in_4_1_2Dec 14, 2022 03:14 AM
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I have 2bay Qnap NAS and got a 'deadbolt' ransomeware…(with auto security update setup and etc)😢 ended up paying bitcoin (about $1000) to get the decription code. Never going to buy Qnap again.
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Dec 14, 2022 03:23 AM
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nathan646Dec 14, 2022 03:23 AM
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Quote from Dead_Cow :
Not well at all. I have 3 QNAP devices at home (TVS-672XT, TVS-471 and a TS-451D2-2G). The TS-451D2-2G is a 4 bay celeron that I decked out with 32GB of RAM. I have recently transcoded all my movies and shows to HEVC (h265). You could clean up all your media, and store it all your on this, then make sure you're streaming to modern devices only and turn off transcoding entirely. If you do that, this will be fine, otherwise, you'll need to turn off some features of Plex (like video thumbnail creation) because this will have a hard time getting out of it's own way. Even my TVS-672XT that's upgraded to an i7 with 64GB of RAM has a hard time with multiple 4k streams, but the truth is you don't need to transcode in many cases anymore if you've chosen the correct media formats to store in, then, install TDARR and let it go to town turning your entire collection to that format. A side benefit of transcoding to h265 is a massive space savings. I went from my collection being 24TB to 13TB with no perceivable loss to visual clarity. If you're not running some million dollar AV system, I have some 4k movies encoded with h265 and 5/1 AC3 that are less that 2GB in size. Also, make sure to remove all burned in subtitles. That's a huge cause for transcoding.

Sorry for rambling. TL;DR: this is completely inadequate for transcoding really anything (not just 4k), but you shouldn't need too nowadays.
I agree with most of what you said, but there's no way your 4k h265 movie is good quality with only a 2GB file size.

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Dec 14, 2022 04:05 AM
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MozartADec 14, 2022 04:05 AM
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My understanding is this NAS only support QTS OS and ext4 file system and doesn't support ZFS nor BTRFS?

Also my understanding is ZFS and BRTFS both support file checksum but ext4 doesn't so it doesn't help protect again bitrot. And you won't know there is bitrot issue until you read the file (like if you open word document in MS Word and it said invalid format(?)). And if you don't know there is bitrot problem with the files, when you make backup of those files, you are just backing up corrupted files and the "bad" file will cascade to your backup without you knowing.

For QNAP NAS that support ZFS, I believe the NAS need to support QuTS hero which only in higher end model of QNAP NAS. For something that has 6 hard drive, seems like there is more chance of bitrot to one of them and without checksum, you won't know which harddrive has bitrot. Wish this one has QuTS Hero OS support.

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