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Chase Sapphire Preferred - Pay Yourself Back - Gas Stations/Grocery Stores

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I am posting this because after a LONG while, you now have more options again for Pay Yourself Back than just 25% to Charities. On my Sapphire Preferred PYB page, the new options for Gas Stations and Grocery Stores showed up today, January 1, 2023. Details are still vague, but past history has been 10% to 25% bonus on point redemption and both are valid through 3/31/23.

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NEW
Gas Stations (including paying at the pump or inside the station)
(Unknown)% more points value (usually 10%)
Redeem up to (unknown - usually $500 or 45,454 pts)
Valid through 03/31/21

NEW
Grocery Stores (including eligible delivery services, and most likely NOT Walmart)
(Unknown)% more points value (usually 10%)
Redeem up to (unknown - usually $500 or 45,454 pts)
Valid through 03/31/22

Select charities
25% more points value
Valid through 12/31/23

Charges must be made on the CSP card to use PYB bonus. However, you can move points from other cards on your Chase accounts to the CSP and apply them to the PYB bonus.
  • Currently, only redemptions against purchases made with your Chase card with Ultimate Rewards at gas stations (including paying at the pump or inside the station), for grocery stores (including eligible delivery services), and for select charitable organizations will qualify.

This thread is not for those who like to bring up "You get better point value for travel transfers". Yes, we know CSP/CSR are good for travel. I don't travel enough to use any of the partner bonuses, and I'm sure many others don't either. I use all my cards for the 1% to 5% back, and if I can get a 10% to 25% redemption bonus now and then for something I DO use then it's a value to me and others.
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Created 01-01-2023 at 09:46 AM by AJR214
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shhaggy
01-03-2023 at 08:40 AM.
01-03-2023 at 08:40 AM.
Quote from Deal-R-Dash :
I am in the same boat. For those that are figuring out an exit strategy, Chase recently send out a notice of changes to the account terms that take effect on 2/16/2023 for the minimum payment and late fees. If you reject the changes they will evidently close the account instead of allowing you to opt out. I'm trying to figure out if that means we have a chance at getting the annual fee back....
Just call them and cancel you will get your pro-rated fee back. This isn't a game you have to play, it's automatic.

Personally, I would downgrade to a free product like one of the Freedom cards instead of canceling.
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shazish
01-03-2023 at 10:09 AM.
01-03-2023 at 10:09 AM.

Quote from shhaggy :
some US-based partners that don't transfer directly from UR, DO code-share with international carriers that you CAN transfer to, which means you can transfer to that international carrier and then book a domestic flight
I didn't know that - thanks!
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brettbennett12
01-03-2023 at 11:59 AM.
01-03-2023 at 11:59 AM.
Quote from shhaggy :
Personally I would have kept the Sapphire Preferred rather than cancel altogether. That $95 AF could pay for itself with one good redemption.

One of the keys to the game is to remember that not every ecosystem's points are worth the same. 3% and 4% back at Costco is straight cash. That's the equivalent of redeeming UR points at 1 cent. But UR points can be worth WAYYY more. Combining the Sapphire Preferred/Reserve with the Freedom Flex and Freedom Unlimited, you should never get less than 1.5X back on ANY spending and the UR points can be transferred between the cards. Those rewards will easily multiply based on the increased potential value inherent to UR points vs other ecosystems.

Just to give an example, I once redeemed a room at Hyatt for 8k/nt. Cash price was $250. That's over 3 cents per point. Even at just 1X (which it never is that low), I'd have spent $8k to accumulate those points, but that's a better return than if I'd gotten 3X from Costco, which just gives you a straight 3% cash back (e.g., spend $8,000 on either card, the Hyatt redemption gave me $250 in value but the Costco redemption got me $240 back).
This exactly. We booked Alila Ventana 5 nights for $600/nt in points which was $2k/night in cash. So 3.33x points redemption. Multiply that by minimum 1.5x (Freedom UNL), 3x dining (Freedom UNL), and then 5x on Freedom/Freedom Flex quarterly categories and you are looking at 5x, 10x, 15x, total value respectively on points, all transferred to Sapphire Preferred, and then directly to Hyatt. Hyatt redemptions all the way.....
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akcpe
01-03-2023 at 12:00 PM.
01-03-2023 at 12:00 PM.
The nerfing of the bonus PYB categories from 1.5 to 1.25 or 1¢ is disappointing to say the least, but not entirely unexpected. Transferring to travel partners was and still is the best value for the money (e.g. Hyatt) where you can sometimes get even 3¢ per point of value.

Changes to United MileagePlus for 2023 have given us another reason to transfer Chase points rather than spend them directly. Starting 2023 Award tickets now earn PQPs (status points) on United. If you don't want to fork over $$$ for an expensive flight but still want to earn PQPs Chase --> United transfer is looking much more appealing now. Previously in order to maintain status I'd only book award tickets for others.
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Sometimesnj37
01-03-2023 at 12:05 PM.
01-03-2023 at 12:05 PM.
Quote from View92612 :
The point is to get more than 1:1c via PYB.

Personally though I was able to get 1:2.5c by transferring to United miles and get Economy tickets to Japan (at 70k round trip, would have cost 1800 for summer 2023 if paid in cash)
Same! Good value to transfer to United if your flight has United Saver Award rates
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01-03-2023 at 12:29 PM.
01-03-2023 at 12:29 PM.
Quote from 4thedeal :
This may be off topic, but what is the best way to use these points for air travel? I have read about transferring to different airlines to get better deals, etc. Chase Sapphire Preferred is our first card with travel points. Any websites that can give us guidance on how to get the best deal?
https://thepointsguy.com/guide/re...mum-value/
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mikebacker
01-03-2023 at 03:32 PM.
01-03-2023 at 03:32 PM.
Quote from deek79 :
I am so sad after reading this.

Totally forgot to clear out my points before the end of last year with the reserve.
Pay back went from 150% to 125% on easy to use categories…
Face palm.
Why do you need to clear out your points? They don't expire, and there will always be some other bonus redemption available in the future?
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mikebacker
01-03-2023 at 03:37 PM.
01-03-2023 at 03:37 PM.
Quote from shhaggy :
Travel isn't a current PYB category, so I'm not sure what you're asking.
Even though it's not a PYB category, you can still book travel directly through Chase with the enhanced 25%/50% redemption rates, right?
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Deal-R-Dash
01-03-2023 at 04:53 PM.
01-03-2023 at 04:53 PM.
Quote from shhaggy :
Just call them and cancel you will get your pro-rated fee back. This isn't a game you have to play, it's automatic.

Personally, I would downgrade to a free product like one of the Freedom cards instead of canceling.
Fair point but I don't want anything pro-rated in order to my my exit very slick lol!
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yourr8
01-03-2023 at 04:58 PM.
01-03-2023 at 04:58 PM.
I got 0% bonus, wtf.
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kovy
01-04-2023 at 05:24 AM.
01-04-2023 at 05:24 AM.
Quote from bchill :
This is the best way to use the points. Just keep buiding them up until you see a great opportunity. Hyatt Hotels almost always give you 2 to 1 value on transfers.
And then you overpay to stay at a crappy hotel? Very slick
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shhaggy
01-04-2023 at 07:12 AM.
01-04-2023 at 07:12 AM.
Quote from mikebacker :
Even though it's not a PYB category, you can still book travel directly through Chase with the enhanced 25%/50% redemption rates, right?
Yes but I wouldn't advise it. Their customer service isn't great. It'll work fine until you need help with something and then you'll spend more time than it's worth. A lot of folks report back that the pricing isn't competitive, plus they book a tier of fare that is ultimately some kind of "bulk" fare, meaning if you have anyone other than Chase look it up, it will seem like you paid much less. Usually not an issue unless you are owed a refund or credit or need to make a change. Some carriers even charge a fee to 'take over' the reservation that they book, before making any changes.

Again, this is never an issue when everything goes smoothly, and your booked travel takes place with no hiccups. Sometimes even the changes go smoothly. But for those that have used them extensively and experienced the problems..... never again. I wasted so much time that I eventually just punted the 40k+ pts I was owed. The money just wasn't worth the hours I was wasting.

The card and rewards are great but I do not advise anyone to book through their portal. Transfer to travel partners.
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01-04-2023 at 07:15 AM.
01-04-2023 at 07:15 AM.
Quote from Deal-R-Dash :
Fair point but I don't want anything pro-rated in order to my my exit very slick lol!
Unless you are relatively close to the charge (e.g., the pro-rated amount is almost the full amount anyway), you won't get the full amount back. Even if you don't agree to the change in terms, you still used the card up to that point.

What you MIGHT be able to do is collect a retention credit and then canceling a few months later. The credit plus the pro-rated AF could meet or exceed the AF.
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01-04-2023 at 07:17 AM.
01-04-2023 at 07:17 AM.
Quote from kovy :
And then you overpay to stay at a crappy hotel? Very slick
If you don't travel internationally, in premium class cabins, or both; this is bar none the best redemption strategy you will find. If you don't like Hyatt hotels that's a personal issue, there is nothing inherently "crappy" or overpriced about them.
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01-04-2023 at 11:23 AM.
01-04-2023 at 11:23 AM.
Quote from shhaggy :
Yes but I wouldn't advise it. Their customer service isn't great. It'll work fine until you need help with something and then you'll spend more time than it's worth. A lot of folks report back that the pricing isn't competitive, plus they book a tier of fare that is ultimately some kind of "bulk" fare, meaning if you have anyone other than Chase look it up, it will seem like you paid much less. Usually not an issue unless you are owed a refund or credit or need to make a change. Some carriers even charge a fee to 'take over' the reservation that they book, before making any changes.

Again, this is never an issue when everything goes smoothly, and your booked travel takes place with no hiccups. Sometimes even the changes go smoothly. But for those that have used them extensively and experienced the problems..... never again. I wasted so much time that I eventually just punted the 40k+ pts I was owed. The money just wasn't worth the hours I was wasting.

The card and rewards are great but I do not advise anyone to book through their portal. Transfer to travel partners.
So... I'm not well versed in any of this. I haven't tried to manipulate/move the points around beyond moving from my Freedom to the Sapphire for travel. I did find the booking through Chase to be well worth it and cause zero issues. I checked the deal sites for flights and hotels, and then when I checked Chase, the prices were the same (although some hotels were not available). I booked through Chase for international flights and hotels and saved $150 just on the one trip. Considering the card has travel insurance built in it seems like a non-issue.
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