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As of Feb 3, IRS the Treasury Department just fixed the EV tax credit's Tesla Model Y problem and the cap is $80k for ALL models now.
Ordered Date and App Time; City/State; Model; Delivery Date
01/13/2023; 7pm CST, Dallas, TX; MY, Est Jan 22nd to Feb 5th
01/13/2023; Ohio; M3, Est Mid Feb to March
01/15/2023; Oahu, Hawaii; MY; February 19 - March 26
01/14/2023; 9pm; Los Angeles, CA; MY (Blue); February 4 - March 4 (edit// now February 14 - March 21 as of 1/24/23) (edit2// February 8 - February 22 as of 1/30/23) (edit3// VIN assigned [PA066*]; February 15 - February 24 as of 2/4/23)
01/13/2023; 11:29am EDT; Boston/MA; MY White/Black wheels; January 19 - came with defect and went promptly to body shop without picking up
01/13/2023: 12pm PT, Los Angeles, CA; MY (white) no options; Jan 26 - Feb 26, then 10 days later got VIN, then three days later scheduled delivery for Feb 5.
Who Qualifies
You may qualify for a credit up to $7,500 under Internal Revenue Code Section 30D if you buy a new, qualified plug-in EV or fuel cell electric vehicle (FCV). The Inflation Reduction Act of 2022 changed the rules for this credit for vehicles purchased from 2023 to 2032.
The credit is available to individuals and their businesses.
To qualify, you must:
Buy it for your own use, not for resale
Use it primarily in the U.S.
In addition, your modified adjusted gross income (AGI) may not exceed:
$300,000 for married couples filing jointly
$225,000 for heads of households
$150,000 for all other filers
You can use your modified AGI from the year you take delivery of the vehicle or the year before, whichever is less. If your modified AGI is below the threshold in 1 of the two years, you can claim the credit.
The credit is nonrefundable, so you can't get back more on the credit than you owe in taxes. You can't apply any excess credit to future tax years.
https://www.irs.gov/credits-deduc...quireme
The sale qualifies only if:
You buy the vehicle new
The seller reports required information to you at the time of sale and to the IRS.
Sellers are required to report your name and taxpayer identification number to the IRS for you to be eligible to claim the credit.
The new law requires the POS (Dealer or manufacturer) to report a bunch of information on the buyer to the IRS.
Such as:
Seller/Dealer name and taxpayer ID number
Buyer's name and taxpayer ID number
Maximum credit allowable under IRC 30D for new vehicles or IRC 25E for previously owned vehicles
Vehicle identification number (VIN), unless the vehicle is not assigned one
Battery capacity
Date of sale
Sale price
For new vehicles, verification that the buyer is the original user
CALIFORNIA
Now the Model 3 and Y do qualify for CVRP rebate up to $4,500 ($2,000 + $2,500 income eligible ) up to $7,500 after February 2023.
https://cleanvehiclereb
Summary of February 28, 2023 updates:
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In addition to the standard CVRP rebate, consumers with household income less than or equal to 400 percent of the federal poverty level are eligible for an increased rebate amount of $5,500 (previously $2,500) for BEVs and PHEVs, and $3,000 (previously $2,500) for FCEVs. This amounts to:
……….$7,500 for battery-electric vehicles (previously $4,500)
https://cleanvehiclereb
B Thank you for your email. Vehicle manufacturers must apply for Clean Vehicle Rebate Project (CVRP) eligibility with the California Air Resources Board (CARB) and meet a number of program requirements. If all program requirements are met, the vehicle is added to the list of eligible vehicles on our website. At this time, Tesla has not applied.
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Excluding taxes and fees, I paid $63,940. It's now $59,630, which is $4,310 less, and it is eligible for the $7,500 tax credit. That means if I didn't buy it in December and bought it today, I would have saved $11,810 + sales tax, so a bit over $12,000 in savings I missed. (I got 10,000 Supercharger miles, which is worth somewhere between $500 and $1,000.) With taxes and fees, I paid $71,578.55 in total.
For those who do order, I recommend this Tesla Prep guide [glideapp.io] to check for build quality issues on delivery day.
I hope this helps,
Tofu Vic
The disclosure, which was first reported by Electrek, comes as the company faces scrutiny over the safety and capabilities of its standard advanced driver assistance system known as Autopilot and the $15,000 optional upgraded product branded as "Full Self-Driving." Tesla FSD beta software offers some automated driving features but is not a self-driving system.
The luxury EV-maker has long claimed it could reach full autonomy through a "vision only" approach that shuns other sensors like lidar and radar in favor of cameras and a deep neural network that quickly processes a vehicle's surroundings and responds in real time. Tesla CEO Elon Musk previously promised to "solve" full self-driving by the end of this year (he's also promised Tesla would get there every year for roughly nine years now). He has recently admitted the problem will take longer to solve.
And perhaps, as every other autonomous vehicle technologist says, it's not actually achievable yet through cameras alone.
The company began removing radar from its vehicles last May. In October, Tesla removed its 12 ultrasonic sensors from Model 3 and Model Y vehicles built for North America, Europe, the Middle East and Taiwan. Ultrasonic sensors measure distance via ultrasonic waves and are used as proximity sensors to support anti-collision safety systems, particularly in parking use cases.
Now it appears radar is back. It's not yet clear which models will get the new radar. The type of radar Tesla intends to market next year is of a frequency that's allocated by the FCC for ADAS use cases, according to Ram Machness, chief business officer at Arbe Robotics, which produces ultra-high-resolution 4D imaging radar.
Tesla had originally filed with the FCC to use the new radar — which is described in filings as "76-77 GHz Automotive Radar" — in its vehicles back in June.
"From the frequency of operation (76-77GHz) as well as the mechanical design of the sensor from Tesla's FCC filing, it appears that this radar would be utilized in ADAS applications," Steven Hong, VP and general manager of radar technology at semiconductor company Ambarella, told TechCrunch.
He noted that while the performance of this "edge" radar sensor will be limited, it's a positive development that Tesla is looking to add radar to its perception stack for safety-critical, robust performance.
Earlier this year, the FCC had granted a confidential treatment to Tesla in order to keep the details of the new radar under wraps. Late last month, Tesla applied to extend that confidentiality treatment another 60 days from its date of expiration, which is December 7.
i hope this answers your question
Wayback Machine if anyone wants to do some research: https://web.archive.org/web/20220...ely/design
I'll throw out some notable 'milestones' , focusing only on the Model Y LR base model:
* Feb 2021 - $49,000 - Roughly the lowest price for the Y LR (not including the SR @ $42k)
From this point forward, Tesla started increasing the price about $1-2 every month or so, until it peaked out at $66,000. Ex:
* May 2021 - $51,000
* July 2021 - $53,000, etc...
* Feb 2022 - $59,000, etc...
* July 2022 - $66,000 <-- peak
* Dec 1 2022 - $66,000 (-$3750 credit/refund)
* Dec 15 2022 - $66,000 (-$7500 credit/refund)
* Jan 1 2023 - $66,000 back to peak (-$7500 fed tax credit only on 7-seater)
* Jan 13 2023 - $53,000 (-$7500 fed tax credit on base model + 7-seater but not performance)
* Jan 23 2023 - $53,500 (-$7500 fed tax credit on base model + 7-seater but not performance)
* Feb 4 2023 - $55,000 (-$7500 fed tax credit on all models)
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Everybody knows. Including you.
Charging loss from wall isn't remotely close to the insane "50% or more or even double" #s you're posting.
How many would you need me to list in just the first page of google results before you'd be embarrassed enough to admit you're just here spreading nonsense FUD?
Is it because anything else shows how nonsensical your cost claims are?
Ah, nevermind, I see you've been pretending to "think" about then decide against buying a Tesla for several years now.... here's you from 2020 for example explaining (inaccurately and dishonestly) the lack of walk-away-lock (which it absolutely has, and had when you posted saying otherwise) is holding you back:
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So an 82KwH battery to get fully charged would cost me 82 * 1.3 * 0.62 =
So an 82KwH battery to get fully charged would cost me 82 * 1.3 * 0.62 =
Currently on a 2014 MDX with 150k miles. Today I drove my MDX to a more rural place in PA about 150miles away. I just feel Model Y probably wouldn't make the round trip on a single charge...
Thank you this was great info. Now do the math on 0-100% battery. You selected the most efficient percentage range 20% to 60%. The lowest efficiency occurs outside of that band.
Everybody knows. Including you.
Charging loss from wall isn't remotely close to the insane "50% or more or even double" #s you're posting.
Again outright false. TONS of folks have measured this. It's impossible to believe you actually looked into it and are making these claims.
How many would you need me to list in just the first page of google results before you'd be embarrassed enough to admit you're just here spreading nonsense FUD?
Why are you doing the math with you charging during the 5 hours a day it's 62 cents, and not the 19 hours a day it's 24 cents?
Is it because anything else shows how nonsensical your cost claims are?
Ah, nevermind, I see you've been pretending to "think" about then decide against buying a Tesla for several years now.... here's you from 2020 for example explaining (inaccurately and dishonestly) the lack of walk-away-lock (which it absolutely has, and had when you posted saying otherwise) is holding you back:
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How do you lock a Tesla if you are 20 feet away without using a smartphone?
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Currently on a 2014 MDX with 150k miles. Today I drove my MDX to a more rural place in PA about 150miles away. I just feel Model Y probably wouldn't make the round trip on a single charge...
you put the address in the nav and tesla will route you in a way that stops at superchargers
if your use case is driving everywhere without filling up, then EVs will def not be for you
I've also done identical trips from Greenwich CT to Quebec Canada in a Mercedes C Class and my Model 3. This was when gas was ~$3.00/gal for premium in 2017. Total trip cost $130 for gas and total supercharging cost just under $50 (round trip).
Electric cars aren't for everyone and if it's not for you, then you can move on. I'm sure nobody will have their feelings hurt.
Cool, now we have all we need to prove your claim is way off from reality with basic math!
Your screen shots show you pay 24 cents per kwh for 19 out of every 24 hours.
You can, of course, schedule what time you charge to avoid those insanely overpriced 5 hours a day.
At 30 kwh per 100 miles (the worst efficiency of the least efficient model Y) it would cost you $7.20 to drive 100 miles.
So at $4/gal gas you'd need to be driving a car that got over 55 mpg to be "equivalent" to the Tesla.
Helpfully- you TOLD US what you actually drive and it's not remotely close. Plus gas is more than $4/gal in your state. See below for more math on that.
Your Palasade SE has 21-22 mpg combined mileage per the maker of the vehicle... so that 100 mile trip would take 4.65 gallons of gas (using 21.5 mpg).
Which since you're in CA averages $4.61 a gallon right now... so $21.44 to go 100 miles.
In other words, the EV is about 1/3rd the cost per 100 miles driven in fuel per your own provided info, even against the LEAST efficient Model Y.
That's before we consider the costs you'll pay for oil changes, replacing things like coolant, spark plugs, belts, etc over time than you don't need to do in an EV, much more frequent brake replacement, etc...
However at todays prices it the cost for 100 miles. EV charge cost 26 * .45 = 11.7. Gas cost 3.29 * 100 /48 = $6.85. I don't drive a lot, my average annual mileage is about 8000. My car is 3 years old. I expect maintenance to be minimal $50/year for another 2 years at least.
Based on those numbers it makes no sense to upgrade to an EV in my situation. It all depends on your situation and the car you are replacing. Doing math based on National averages makes no sense. Everyone knows their numbers and should do their own calculations and arrive at a decision.
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