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Hard to justify a CD with penalty at 4.6% when a no penalty at 4.4% exists (Sallie Mae/Savebetter). Give yourself the flexibility/liquidity option and give up the 0.2%, seems like the right move.
Well, step 1 is maxing out the i-bond contribution ($10k/pp/py) if you haven't done that, before May when the new rate will certainly be lower. So, do that first for your first $10k.

Edit: ^ The above has an argument against it depending on your view of how Feb-Apr CPI will impact the inflation component of the next i-bond rates. YMMV.

You didn't miss the boat at all btw, I just think this is a good time to buy. There's a lot of laymen inflationary talk and fearmongering going on but sharp traders who actually trade bonds are already looking ahead towards deflation here, and the retail interest-bearing products are going to catch up to that sentiment imo.

Anyway, in order after i-bonds if you don't need the money for 1-2 years:

1. 27-month (a little over 2 years but still) CD posted on SD today that was at 5%
2. 12-month t-bill (~4.65% or so, NOTE: This may be #1 if you live in a high income tax state)
3. CD like the one here for 4.6%
4. No-penalty CD at SallieMae for 4.4%

I actually think the liquidity with the SallieMae CD is worth the 0.2% as I said in my first comment, for the opportunity cost alone. I would rank it ahead of this Ally CD but curated it based on what you said. You never know what could open up and this is a hedge against rates rising higher due to unforeseen wage growth or other inflationary (from a CPE perspective) components that the Fed would use to justify more hikes than anticipated/priced in. Just my 2c, but anyway, buy the ibonds first this quarter.​
I think you're thinking about this correctly. A 50bp move from the current rate isn't going to make a material difference in 5y CD yields, which seem to be between 4.3% and 4.5% at the time of writing. Instead, consider what WILL drive them:

1. The dot plot released in subsequent Fed meetings where Fed members provide forward guidance on the terminal rate.
2. The Fed's forecast of core inflation through 2024 and beyond (I believe they're looking at 3.1% long-run, but I might be off on that, don't want to check right now)
3. How 2-5y yields react to the above 2 points
4. How breakevens are pricing cuts moving forward. When, for how long, and how much as well as how aggressively.

With all that in mind, and this is really more of a thought exercise from a trading perspective than for consumers holding these products to maturity, I think the current 5y CD rates will have a positive real return as early as Q3 2024. I think less so of the US 5y mostly because it's trading at 3.5%, but even then I'd probably be long the US 5y rather than short.

I'm not intimately familiar with these banks' business models but a few of these rates, at a surface level, give off an "asleep at the wheel" vibe. The short bond trade is super crowded across funds and crowded trades usually don't go well.

If I were specifically in the market for 5y CDs (I'm not) I'd be buying them now, and I think this will be close to, if not the, secular terminal rate for this cycle.

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01-19-2023 at 03:43 PM.
01-19-2023 at 03:43 PM.
Quote from TurtlePerson2 :
There's no reason to get a 4.6% CD when you can get a 4.65% treasury bill with the same duration. I've posted this in a lot of similar threads already, but the treasury bill has better liquidity and isn't subject to state or local income tax. You can buy treasuries through a normal brokerage like Fidelity without paying any commissions or fees.

I was planning on getting long duration T-bills like 1 and 2 year, but have I missed the boat? With each passing week are the 1 and 2 year T-bill interest rates going down now?
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01-19-2023 at 03:45 PM.
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I was thinking of buying a 2 year T-bill or CD or something in Dec but my funds weren't freed up. Have I missed the boat?

If I don't need money for 1-2 years, what are the best choices? I'm currently getting 4.2% in a Money Market but how long will it stay at those rates?

Is it better to look in 4.4% at Sallie Mae now, or keep riding the MM for more months, or buy a T-Bill, etc?

What are the smart people doing?
Well, step 1 is maxing out the i-bond contribution ($10k/pp/py) if you haven't done that, before May when the new rate will certainly be lower. So, do that first for your first $10k.

Edit: ^ The above has an argument against it depending on your view of how Feb-Apr CPI will impact the inflation component of the next i-bond rates. YMMV.

You didn't miss the boat at all btw, I just think this is a good time to buy. There's a lot of laymen inflationary talk and fearmongering going on but sharp traders who actually trade bonds are already looking ahead towards deflation here, and the retail interest-bearing products are going to catch up to that sentiment imo.

Anyway, in order after i-bonds if you don't need the money for 1-2 years:

1. 27-month (a little over 2 years but still) CD posted on SD today that was at 5%
2. 12-month t-bill (~4.65% or so, NOTE: This may be #1 if you live in a high income tax state)
3. CD like the one here for 4.6%
4. No-penalty CD at SallieMae for 4.4%

I actually think the liquidity with the SallieMae CD is worth the 0.2% as I said in my first comment, for the opportunity cost alone. I would rank it ahead of this Ally CD but curated it based on what you said. You never know what could open up and this is a hedge against rates rising higher due to unforeseen wage growth or other inflationary (from a CPE perspective) components that the Fed would use to justify more hikes than anticipated/priced in. Just my 2c, but anyway, buy the ibonds first this quarter.​
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01-19-2023 at 03:53 PM.
01-19-2023 at 03:53 PM.
Quote from ImaPuppy :
Well, step 1 is maxing out the i-bond contribution ($10k/pp/py) if you haven't done that, before May when the new rate will certainly be lower. So, do that first for your first $10k.

You didn't miss the boat at all btw, I just think this is a good time to buy.

In order after i-bonds if you don't need the money for 1-2 years:

1. 27-month (a little over 2 years but still) CD posted on SD today that was at 5%
2. 12-month t-bill (~4.65% or so)
3. CD like the one here for 4.6%
4. No-penalty CD at SallieMae for 4.4%

I actually think the liquidity with the SallieMae CD is worth the 0.2%, for the opportunity cost alone. Never know what could open up and this is a hedge against rates rising higher due to unforeseen wage growth or other inflationary (from a CPE perspective) components that the Fed would use to justify more hikes than anticipated/priced in. Just my 2c, but anyway, buy the ibonds first this quarter.​

Thanks. Do you think with each passing auction the 12-24 month t-bill rates will keep going down?

Also in regards to the ibond... I have heard the theory that the i-bond is no longer a good investment if buying today because it will lock in 6% for 6 months but in the next 6 months the rate might only be 0.4% because inflation is going down? I'm not an expert but I've seen some threads where people seem to be against the i-bond currently, and they're waiting until some date in April to decide if they want to get it (I'm not sure when). Know anything about that?
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Quote from SlickGatsby :
Thanks. Do you think with each passing auction the 12-24 month t-bill rates will keep going down?

Also in regards to the ibond... I have heard the theory that the i-bond is no longer a good investment if buying today because it will lock in 6% for 6 months but in the next 6 months the rate might only be 0.4% because inflation is going down? I'm not an expert but I've seen some threads where people seem to be against the i-bond currently, and they're waiting until some date in April to decide if they want to get it (I'm not sure when). Know anything about that?
If I knew what the 12-24 month t-bill rates were going to do with any certainty, I'd be trading futures and making insane money on a beach somewhere. So, unfortunately I can't be of much help there. All I can say is that with rate declining, and some CDs lagging behind that decline, I think it's a matter of time before CD rates drop to align with the drop in t-bill yields.

As far as i-bonds are concerned, that's a fair assessment, but I don't think we're going to 0.4% or anywhere near that low based on the calculation methodology for the inflation component of the bond. I think you'll still get a blended rate in the 5% range over the 12 months and can withdraw at month 15 shaving off 3 months of interest, with no state/local tax on the cap gain. It may be objectively a better move to just buy the 12 month bill instead and remove the guesswork for the May rate. If the math says so, then ok.
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01-19-2023 at 03:58 PM.
01-19-2023 at 03:58 PM.
Quote from SlickGatsby :
I was planning on getting long duration T-bills like 1 and 2 year, but have I missed the boat? With each passing week are the 1 and 2 year T-bill interest rates going down now?
I don't think anyone knows for sure. Certainly the pricing of treasuries indicates that people expect lower rates in the future. In a normal world, yield would increase with duration, but right now it's almost the opposite. Personally, I'm not buying anything longer than a year right now.
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01-19-2023 at 04:01 PM.
01-19-2023 at 04:01 PM.
Quote from ImaPuppy :
Well, step 1 is maxing out the i-bond contribution ($10k/pp/py) if you haven't done that, before May when the new rate will certainly be lower. So, do that first for your first $10k.

Edit: ^ The above has an argument against it depending on your view of how Feb-Apr CPI will impact the inflation component of the next i-bond rates. YMMV.

You didn't miss the boat at all btw, I just think this is a good time to buy. There's a lot of laymen inflationary talk and fearmongering going on but sharp traders who actually trade bonds are already looking ahead towards deflation here, and the retail interest-bearing products are going to catch up to that sentiment imo.

Anyway, in order after i-bonds if you don't need the money for 1-2 years:

1. 27-month (a little over 2 years but still) CD posted on SD today that was at 5%
2. 12-month t-bill (~4.65% or so)
3. CD like the one here for 4.6%
4. No-penalty CD at SallieMae for 4.4%

I actually think the liquidity with the SallieMae CD is worth the 0.2% as I said in my first comment, for the opportunity cost alone. I would rank it ahead of this Ally CD but curated it based on what you said. You never know what could open up and this is a hedge against rates rising higher due to unforeseen wage growth or other inflationary (from a CPE perspective) components that the Fed would use to justify more hikes than anticipated/priced in. Just my 2c, but anyway, buy the ibonds first this quarter.​
Hold up with the I-bonds. I-bonds have restrictions and rules that make them far less liquid than t-bills. I'm not saying that they're a bad investment, I'm just saying that they're not right for everyone. And while you do get the ~7% rate for the next 6 months, you might get a crummy rate in the 6 months after that. Back a few months ago, you could guarantee basically a whole year of stellar returns, which justified the illiquidity, but now that's not the case.
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Hold up with the I-bonds. I-bonds have restrictions and rules that make them far less liquid than t-bills. I'm not saying that they're a bad investment, I'm just saying that they're not right for everyone. And while you do get the ~7% rate for the next 6 months, you might get a crummy rate in the 6 months after that. Back a few months ago, you could guarantee basically a whole year of stellar returns, which justified the illiquidity, but now that's not the case.
When you say illiquidity, I assume you mean the 3-month penalty upon withdrawal before 5y, correct? If so, then yeah that's a legitimate concern (though not necessarily for the guy I was responding to). If you're talking about actual illiquidity of pricing the bond and the ability to sell it/withdraw, then that's not correct, of course, as it's a savings bond.
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01-19-2023 at 04:07 PM.
01-19-2023 at 04:07 PM.
Quote from ImaPuppy :
Well, step 1 is maxing out the i-bond contribution ($10k/pp/py) if you haven't done that, before May when the new rate will certainly be lower. So, do that first for your first $10k.

Edit: ^ The above has an argument against it depending on your view of how Feb-Apr CPI will impact the inflation component of the next i-bond rates. YMMV.

You didn't miss the boat at all btw, I just think this is a good time to buy. There's a lot of laymen inflationary talk and fearmongering going on but sharp traders who actually trade bonds are already looking ahead towards deflation here, and the retail interest-bearing products are going to catch up to that sentiment imo.

Anyway, in order after i-bonds if you don't need the money for 1-2 years:

1. 27-month (a little over 2 years but still) CD posted on SD today that was at 5%
2. 12-month t-bill (~4.65% or so)
3. CD like the one here for 4.6%
4. No-penalty CD at SallieMae for 4.4%

I actually think the liquidity with the SallieMae CD is worth the 0.2% as I said in my first comment, for the opportunity cost alone. I would rank it ahead of this Ally CD but curated it based on what you said. You never know what could open up and this is a hedge against rates rising higher due to unforeseen wage growth or other inflationary (from a CPE perspective) components that the Fed would use to justify more hikes than anticipated/priced in. Just my 2c, but anyway, buy the ibonds first this quarter.​
I disagree with your order if you live in a high income tax state (like NY or California). The 12-month t-bill is not taxed at the state level.
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I disagree with your order if you live in a high income tax state (like NY or California). The 12-month t-bill is not taxed at the state level.
Yeah you're right. Edited to reflect this.
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01-19-2023 at 04:17 PM.
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Anyone know if we buy 3-month T-bills, will it auto cash out to the funding account when it reaches 3 month? In other words, do we need to log in and cash out? TIA.
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01-19-2023 at 04:28 PM.
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My savings account, at ufb direct, gives me 4.11%, and has no restrictions. With rates continuing to go up every quarter due to the fed, I have a hard time wanting to lock up my money for a year.
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Quote from ImaPuppy :
When you say illiquidity, I assume you mean the 3-month penalty upon withdrawal before 5y, correct? If so, then yeah that's a legitimate concern (though not necessarily for the guy I was responding to). If you're talking about actual illiquidity of pricing the bond and the ability to sell it/withdraw, then that's not correct, of course, as it's a savings bond.
You literally can't sell/withdraw the I-bond for a year after purchase. The 3-month interest penalty is then active through 5 years from purchase.
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Anyone know if we buy 3-month T-bills, will it auto cash out to the funding account when it reaches 3 month? In other words, do we need to log in and cash out? TIA.
I have a Schwab account.
If I disable Auto Roll when purchasing, the T-bill cashes out.
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You literally can't sell/withdraw the I-bond for a year after purchase. The 3-month interest penalty is then active through 5 years from purchase.
Yes I'm aware but this is pretty widely available information. Yes it's illiquid, but so is holding a 12-month to maturity in the same manner. I doubt most laymen are selling off t-bills before maturity or even care about knowing how to do so.
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Quote from Wizardking :
My savings account, at ufb direct, gives me 4.11%, and has no restrictions. With rates continuing to go up every quarter due to the fed, I have a hard time wanting to lock up my money for a year.
Circle back around to this a year from now and let us know what that rate looks like. I'd bet a good amount it's below your current rate.
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