popularEmperor4World posted Jan 30, 2023 04:21 PM
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popularEmperor4World posted Jan 30, 2023 04:21 PM
Ford cuts prices on electric Mustang Mach-E - Upto 5,900$ - Varies by Configuration
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Hilarious. Unless you have something to contribute, go back to the Tesla thread
The slamming the balls repeatedly in a car door for 5 hours is so you can replicate the amount of pain and time you will spend at the ford dealership
Everyone knows Tesla has poor build quality. Just look at the Tesla thread. People have to refuse cars or send them right to the bodyshop.
The quality is SO bad, people are advised to bring a checklist of all of the potential problems, like the steering wheel being secure.
And if that isn't bad enough, you have like 100 miles to report any defect, so don't pick up at night and drive home 101 miles
https://www.consumerrep
I've had mine since March and it's worked pretty well. Just make sure to activate it when you're clear of other cars because it steers to the right and then back to the left to center itself. On my 55 miles commute, I can drive it mostly hands-free. There's about 5 locations where it will deactivate and I have to put my hands back on the wheel. It's mostly due to construction, or a tight curve, or entering a different highway.
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If you think Tesla is great at keeping timelines I got a great beachfront property in Kansas to tell you aobut.
There are no guarantees in the automotive industry. Regardless of being the first, or the best, or even if you Proclaim "full self driving" capability, even though your company is the only one that acknowledges that proclamation.
The automobile industry is rough, only the tough survive. Some have been doing it a lot longer than others. Toyota isn't just going to stop making 9 million vehicles a year, V.W. Isn't going to cede 8.3 million vehicle sales a year to Tesla. G.M. Is still going to produce 6 million cars next year. People fail to realize, that tax subsidies and tax credits helped Tesla become desirable and profitable, but the free market will ultimately decide, who and what type of vehicles are the best for the masses. A 50k to 100k Tesla any model, is going to be a tough sell to a Walmart worker in Alabama, just like a 70k to 100k Ford super Duty diesel would be a tough sell to a California environmentalist working at Starbucks. Both vehicles will get produced, and sold, but neither will ever be widely adopted by the masses at those prices. EV's will remain a sideshow until price to value say otherwise.
There are no guarantees in the automotive industry. Regardless of being the first, or the best, or even if you Proclaim "full self driving" capability, even though your company is the only one that acknowledges that proclamation.
The automobile industry is rough, only the tough survive. Some have been doing it a lot longer than others. Toyota isn't just going to stop making 9 million vehicles a year, V.W. Isn't going to cede 8.3 million vehicle sales a year to Tesla. G.M. Is still going to produce 6 million cars next year. People fail to realize, that tax subsidies and tax credits helped Tesla become desirable and profitable, but the free market will ultimately decide, who and what type of vehicles are the best for the masses. A 50k to 100k Tesla any model, is going to be a tough sell to a Walmart worker in Alabama, just like a 70k to 100k Ford super Duty diesel would be a tough sell to a California environmentalist working at Starbucks. Both vehicles will get produced, and sold, but neither will ever be widely adopted by the masses at those prices. EV's will remain a sideshow until price to value say otherwise.
Your math also doesn't account for the value of your personal time. With a gas car you spend more than you realize on things like stopping at gas stations, getting oil changes, emissions inspections etc. Those really add up, and seem like a crazy hassle once you've had an electric for a while and don't have to deal with them.
For some reason pro-EV people seem to overestimate the maintenance on an ICE vehicle. I spend 5 minutes once a week filling up (how much time do you spend plugging and unplugging the EV, probably a few minutes a week total). I have to change the oil 2-3 times a year, which I do myself for like $15 and in total probably takes less than 1.5 hours. If you have to visit a charger even just 3 or 4 times a year that more than makes up for the time I spend doing all the "maintenance" on an ICE vehicle. Emissions? Every 2 years and it's literally a 10 minute thing. Lastly, there is maintenance in an EV, and for the most part you're taking it to the dealer for that. It's typically not a DIY thing.
If electricity is cheap enough… most people would be well served to have an EV for the 99% of driving they can do within the range of the EV (commuting) or within 1 charge (short-ish road trips). Then if they need to really go further, rent a car for that 1% or the time. ♂️
I use my Bolt to commute and for shopping trips around town. We also use it for ~200mi each way trips. Anything longer than that, we will take the minivan or my weekend car. But the "right" thing to do would be to just rent when we want to take a long road trip.
Yeah tell me about it. $0.36. Went up from $0,24 in December. Honestly will probably come down in the summer (well SHOULD, as theoretically the jump was due to an increased cost of NG, so when NG comes down so should electricity, right? LOL), but in the long run electricity prices are going up. You can't demonize fossil fuel electricity generation, seek to kill it, then have no plan to supplement production and expect prices to not increase, it's simple supply and demand. Solar and wind simply aren't going to make up for coal and NG.
At this point it's about breakeven between a Model 3 LR and any regular ICE that can get 30-32 MPG, from a per-mile cost POV. That puts the payback for an EV at infinity miles, or rather MUCH longer than 99% of people would drive the vehicle, and that's assuming the EV doesn't have any catastrophic problems.
As for renting, that doesn't make much sense. If you have to take 3-4 longer road trips a year and rent a minivan @ $100/day, let's say that's $1000/yr in rental <on top of> the car you're paying for that you aren't using.
The assertion was basically that with an EV there is zero time at a gas station and zero maintenance, thus saving all sorts of time over an ICE.
That's not true at all. If someone is pointing at me spending 5 minutes at a gas pump once a week (if it's even that, I haven't bothered to time it pit crew style), I can certainly point to them having to spend time plugging and unplugging their car every day. Yeah it's not much each day, maybe a minute? But over the course of 7 days, that's more time than I spend at a pump per week. Also, if you get caught away from home and have to spend 30 minutes sitting at a charger? Well that's 6 weeks of me pumping gas. Gas pumps are capped at 10 gpm in the US. Most tanks are 15 gals or less, I probably spend more time fooling around with scanning a club card and inserting payment than actually actively pumping gas.
As for maintenance, yes ICE have more maintenance overall but it's not nearly what many EV-goers claim. I've had several vehicles to 200k miles. Besides common maintenance items - e.g. tires and suspension (even though given that EV's are heavier and tend to go through tires quicker), some filters and coolant, in an ICE the vast majority of the maintenance is oil changes. So I change my oil 3 times a year @ $15/ea and spend 1.5 hours doing that. That's what, 2 or 3 stops at a charger?
Maybe change plugs 2 or 3 times in the life of the car, engine air filters take a minute or 2 to swap. The only other major items might be a water pump (EV's have coolant too, btw), 12V battery (EV has that too), tstat, or alternator. All very easy and inexpensive for the DIYer, and most of these might be once during ownership things. The last water pumps and tstats I had to replace (typically replace a tstat while changing the pump because it's a cheap part) were north of 150k in BMW, Ford and Toyotas. My hast 4 Hondas haven't required a single thing other than oil/filter changes.
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