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So I started to ladder T-Bills for the reasons everyone is stating in this thread. The rate is so volatile (in a good way) that locking into anything even 12 months is too long for me and rates continue to climb. I use fidelity and my suggestion is this.
When they offer the new 4 week and 8 week and 13 week t-bill (they auction on diff days and diff weeks) go in and buy one of each of them with whatever money you can spare. Let's use 5k for each.
I would buy a 4 week t-bill with NO Rollover for 5k
I would buy an 8 week t-bill with NO Rollover for 5k
I would buy a 13 week t-bill WITH Rollover for 5k
Then after 4 weeks when that first on comes up, buy another 13 week t-bill with the 5k WITH Rollover.
Then after 8 weeks when the second comes up, buy another 13 week t-bill with the 5k WITH Rollover.
Now you will have 3 13 week t-bills rolling every 4 weeks or so and rolling into a new one with the proceeds. This way every 4 weeks you are capturing an increasing rate and not locked into anything longer than 13 weeks. You benefit from the rate hikes, can cash out at any time, and you have state tax shelter from the earned interest.
I can almost guarantee that the above will yield you more net income (taking in tax break) at the end of 11months then the 5% locked CD
just my 2cents
You can buy treasuries from just about any brokerage. I use Fidelity, as I like their platform and they don't charge fees/commissions for treasuries. Fidelity Fixed Income Page[fidelity.com]
Follow the above link and scroll down to the row "U.S. Treasury." Choose the duration you want and click on it. You can then click "buy" to start a trade of a specific treasury bill/bond. Fidelity's Intro to Treasuries[fidelity.com]
This is true, but it doesn't make an 11-month CD at 5% a bad idea. Those HYS can change their rates at any time, but here you're guaranteed to get 5%.
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I didn't have that issue, it was instant, but all money came from my existing performance savings account at CapOne.
Repped. Thanks for your reply. The money was supposed to be moved from my 350 Performance Savings account into the CD. It looks like yours worked properly. Wonder why mine didn't. I guess I'll have to call Cap one later.
Yeah, I got caught the same way. But I wasn't putting much money in Savings until this past year, and I switched then. That was when I paid attention and saw they had another option. I don't recall how I figured it out but it must not have been too hidden and it was super-easy to switch.
Yes, it's kind of on the bank, but it's also on you to assume a Savings account will be competitive by default. If you had much money in there you should have noticed and moved it or changed account.
They are sneaky when they can, which is not pleasant: last Summer they had a bonus for new deposits. I got on it late, to make sure the money was deposited on time they suggested I deposit cash at the ATM. But the ATM lets you deposit only on the checking account. So I deposited there and moved to the saving right after. They denied the bonus because the money to the savings account was not new to Capital One.
tldr; Capital One froze the interest rate of older, supposedly "high yield savings accounts" at 0.3%. Basically, they silently converted them to low interest accounts.
I've been a customer of Capital One (IngDirect originally) since 2004. I had their "360 Savings account". Capital One claimed it is a high interest account and rates will fluctuate based on Federal reserve interest rates.
Apparently, some years ago they started a new savings account called "360 Performance Savings" with much higher interest rates. The new Performance savings has a interest rate of 3.4% as of today. While the legacy account is only at 0.3% and it stopped fluctuating with Fed rates many years ago.
So I lost a lot of money over the years as my savings account silently turned into a regular savings account and stopped being a high interest account.
They didn't inform established customers of the new Performance savings account and kept people like me at 0.3%. At a minimum, they should have informed existing customers of this new account type.
I learned about this new account a couple of days ago. This is clearly bad faith behavior by the bank. I am in the process of closing out my account. I can never trust Capital One again. You should not do this to long term customers to make a few bucks.
Search online for "womens money capital one cheated high interest accounts" to find other customers that got cheated the same way.
I was in the same shoes too; had multiple ING Direct accounts (which got absorbed by Capal One years ago) and didn't realize that the interest rate stayed at 0.3% all these years. In hindsight, I should have checked but didn't realize it until late last year. Oh well, lesson learned. I ended up opening their new savings account and moving all the funds over from the legacy account to the new one. Now I'm debating between this new CD or the new Citi no-penalty account.
Repped. Thanks for your reply. The money was supposed to be moved from my 350 Performance Savings account into the CD. It looks like yours worked properly. Wonder why mine didn't. I guess I'll have to call Cap one later.
Still getting the error and customer support couldn't help. Moving the money elsewhere.
tldr; Capital One froze the interest rate of older, supposedly "high yield savings accounts" at 0.3%. Basically, they silently converted them to low interest accounts.
I've been a customer of Capital One (IngDirect originally) since 2004. I had their "360 Savings account". Capital One claimed it is a high interest account and rates will fluctuate based on Federal reserve interest rates.
Apparently, some years ago they started a new savings account called "360 Performance Savings" with much higher interest rates. The new Performance savings has a interest rate of 3.4% as of today. While the legacy account is only at 0.3% and it stopped fluctuating with Fed rates many years ago.
So I lost a lot of money over the years as my savings account silently turned into a regular savings account and stopped being a high interest account.
They didn't inform established customers of the new Performance savings account and kept people like me at 0.3%. At a minimum, they should have informed existing customers of this new account type.
I learned about this new account a couple of days ago. This is clearly bad faith behavior by the bank. I am in the process of closing out my account. I can never trust Capital One again. You should not do this to long term customers to make a few bucks.
Search online for "womens money capital one cheated high interest accounts" to find other customers that got cheated the same way.
Yeah. I noticed the same thing and was stuck in a .3% account for a while. Screw them. They are shady. I tried to open a new CD with current funds and they won't let me too, so I moved the money elsewhere.
Today agree. My financial planning is laddering treasuries for us. My CD funds are my savings towards a new car I won't need for 23 months when I retire and have to give up my company car. Dave Ramsey has taught me well. Save up, sacrifice and pay cash.
Paying cash is sound advice for people who can't manage a budget and overspend otherwise you are better off using a credit card that gives you 2 to 3% cash back. That's 2 to 3% you wouldn't have if you used cash. Additionally you get to keep your money longer in the bank and earn interest while waiting to get your credit card statement. Dave Ramsey is ok but his advice is really for broke people trying to dig themselves out of a hole
Paying cash is sound advice for people who can't manage a budget and overspend otherwise you are better off using a credit card that gives you 2 to 3% cash back. That's 2 to 3% you wouldn't have if you used cash. Additionally you get to keep your money longer in the bank and earn interest while waiting to get your credit card statement. Dave Ramsey is ok but his advice is really for broke people trying to dig themselves out of a hole
Agree + you build a great credit history by using credit cards wisely, that can help you get better deals on Mortgage / car loan etc..
For anyone that opened the CD at Capital One, remember you have the option of keeping the interest earned each month inside the CD (don't think they do compound) or have the interest earned roll out to your savings account each month. Right now Capital one savings account gives you 3.3 APR interest. So if you have a big porfolio on CD, you can potentially earn more in CD and the the interest from your monthly distribution on the Capital One savings account.
They do compound.
"Compounding and Crediting: Interest on your account will be compounded and credited on a monthly basis."
tldr; Capital One froze the interest rate of older, supposedly "high yield savings accounts" at 0.3%. Basically, they silently converted them to low interest accounts.
I've been a customer of Capital One (IngDirect originally) since 2004. I had their "360 Savings account". Capital One claimed it is a high interest account and rates will fluctuate based on Federal reserve interest rates.
Apparently, some years ago they started a new savings account called "360 Performance Savings" with much higher interest rates. The new Performance savings has a interest rate of 3.4% as of today. While the legacy account is only at 0.3% and it stopped fluctuating with Fed rates many years ago.
So I lost a lot of money over the years as my savings account silently turned into a regular savings account and stopped being a high interest account.
They didn't inform established customers of the new Performance savings account and kept people like me at 0.3%. At a minimum, they should have informed existing customers of this new account type.
I learned about this new account a couple of days ago. This is clearly bad faith behavior by the bank. I am in the process of closing out my account. I can never trust Capital One again. You should not do this to long term customers to make a few bucks.
Search online for "womens money capital one cheated high interest accounts" to find other customers that got cheated the same way.
Same thing happened to me I didnt understand what was going on until i called them and they said they only way to get your higher rate was to open a new account. I closed my account and took my money elsewhere.
Paying cash is sound advice for people who can't manage a budget and overspend otherwise you are better off using a credit card that gives you 2 to 3% cash back. That's 2 to 3% you wouldn't have if you used cash. Additionally you get to keep your money longer in the bank and earn interest while waiting to get your credit card statement. Dave Ramsey is ok but his advice is really for broke people trying to dig themselves out of a hole
I beg to differ. We followed Dave's advice and will retire with 5.5M in a diversified portfolio. I'm fairly confident we can manage money.
Also you can't pay for 80k in cars with a credit card. I tried. The dealerships only allow 5k at most and that's with a lot of begging and pleading. Been there done that.
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When they offer the new 4 week and 8 week and 13 week t-bill (they auction on diff days and diff weeks) go in and buy one of each of them with whatever money you can spare. Let's use 5k for each.
I would buy a 4 week t-bill with NO Rollover for 5k
I would buy an 8 week t-bill with NO Rollover for 5k
I would buy a 13 week t-bill WITH Rollover for 5k
Then after 4 weeks when that first on comes up, buy another 13 week t-bill with the 5k WITH Rollover.
Then after 8 weeks when the second comes up, buy another 13 week t-bill with the 5k WITH Rollover.
Now you will have 3 13 week t-bills rolling every 4 weeks or so and rolling into a new one with the proceeds. This way every 4 weeks you are capturing an increasing rate and not locked into anything longer than 13 weeks. You benefit from the rate hikes, can cash out at any time, and you have state tax shelter from the earned interest.
I can almost guarantee that the above will yield you more net income (taking in tax break) at the end of 11months then the 5% locked CD
just my 2cents
Fidelity Fixed Income Page [fidelity.com]
Follow the above link and scroll down to the row "U.S. Treasury." Choose the duration you want and click on it. You can then click "buy" to start a trade of a specific treasury bill/bond.
Fidelity's Intro to Treasuries [fidelity.com]
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Repped. Thanks for your reply. The money was supposed to be moved from my 350 Performance Savings account into the CD. It looks like yours worked properly. Wonder why mine didn't. I guess I'll have to call Cap one later.
Yes, it's kind of on the bank, but it's also on you to assume a Savings account will be competitive by default. If you had much money in there you should have noticed and moved it or changed account.
I've been a customer of Capital One (IngDirect originally) since 2004. I had their "360 Savings account". Capital One claimed it is a high interest account and rates will fluctuate based on Federal reserve interest rates.
Apparently, some years ago they started a new savings account called "360 Performance Savings" with much higher interest rates. The new Performance savings has a interest rate of 3.4% as of today. While the legacy account is only at 0.3% and it stopped fluctuating with Fed rates many years ago.
So I lost a lot of money over the years as my savings account silently turned into a regular savings account and stopped being a high interest account.
They didn't inform established customers of the new Performance savings account and kept people like me at 0.3%. At a minimum, they should have informed existing customers of this new account type.
I learned about this new account a couple of days ago. This is clearly bad faith behavior by the bank. I am in the process of closing out my account. I can never trust Capital One again. You should not do this to long term customers to make a few bucks.
Search online for "womens money capital one cheated high interest accounts" to find other customers that got cheated the same way.
I've been a customer of Capital One (IngDirect originally) since 2004. I had their "360 Savings account". Capital One claimed it is a high interest account and rates will fluctuate based on Federal reserve interest rates.
Apparently, some years ago they started a new savings account called "360 Performance Savings" with much higher interest rates. The new Performance savings has a interest rate of 3.4% as of today. While the legacy account is only at 0.3% and it stopped fluctuating with Fed rates many years ago.
So I lost a lot of money over the years as my savings account silently turned into a regular savings account and stopped being a high interest account.
They didn't inform established customers of the new Performance savings account and kept people like me at 0.3%. At a minimum, they should have informed existing customers of this new account type.
I learned about this new account a couple of days ago. This is clearly bad faith behavior by the bank. I am in the process of closing out my account. I can never trust Capital One again. You should not do this to long term customers to make a few bucks.
Search online for "womens money capital one cheated high interest accounts" to find other customers that got cheated the same way.
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Agree + you build a great credit history by using credit cards wisely, that can help you get better deals on Mortgage / car loan etc..
"Compounding and Crediting: Interest on your account will be compounded and credited on a monthly basis."
I've been a customer of Capital One (IngDirect originally) since 2004. I had their "360 Savings account". Capital One claimed it is a high interest account and rates will fluctuate based on Federal reserve interest rates.
Apparently, some years ago they started a new savings account called "360 Performance Savings" with much higher interest rates. The new Performance savings has a interest rate of 3.4% as of today. While the legacy account is only at 0.3% and it stopped fluctuating with Fed rates many years ago.
So I lost a lot of money over the years as my savings account silently turned into a regular savings account and stopped being a high interest account.
They didn't inform established customers of the new Performance savings account and kept people like me at 0.3%. At a minimum, they should have informed existing customers of this new account type.
I learned about this new account a couple of days ago. This is clearly bad faith behavior by the bank. I am in the process of closing out my account. I can never trust Capital One again. You should not do this to long term customers to make a few bucks.
Search online for "womens money capital one cheated high interest accounts" to find other customers that got cheated the same way.
Same thing happened to me I didnt understand what was going on until i called them and they said they only way to get your higher rate was to open a new account. I closed my account and took my money elsewhere.
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Also you can't pay for 80k in cars with a credit card. I tried. The dealerships only allow 5k at most and that's with a lot of begging and pleading. Been there done that.