Price drop on every Tesla model - $49990

Your FUD narrative is out of date

https://insideevs.com/news/655818...velopment/ [insideevs.com]








That might be the most ignorant claim I've seen in a massive thread full of ignorant claims.

Where do you magically go from 0 batteries to hundreds of gigawatt hours of batteries ready to go the same year?

That volume of spare batteries simply does not exist, and would require a bunch of factories to be built, supplied with a volume of refined minerals that also don't exist, supplied by mines and refineries that also don't exist.

They WILL exist over the coming decade, but they don't now. Much of what is holding the ramp of EV production back is exactly that- lack of batteries--- and many many billions are being spent to address that but it can't happen overnight.

So no, if they say EV by 2035 they CAN NOT do it "the same year"





Yes, it is silly.

Those comments have primarily come from NON owners posting out of ignorance though. I've taken mine in plenty of road trips and it's a total non-issue in a Tesla.

it's pretty garbage in other brands due to lack of a decent charging network though.

The mods obviously enjoy these threads because it's the only one of its kind. You don't see posts every time any other car manufacturer drops the price of their cars $1000. It's exhausting reading the Musk fascist fan club. Guys, no matter what you post he isn't going to love you.

The 3 suspension has changed a couple of times, might want to do a new test drive.

Also check what wheels are on the thing-- like all cars bigger wheels with thinner tires will ride rougher... so test drive one with 18s if you can rather than 20s.




Absolutely that's what I'd expect- as more and more new car sales go EV, used ICE will get harder and harder to get rid of.

It'll be like trying to resell your Blackberry or flip phone years after the iphone came out.




At 300 miles you wouldn't even need to stop most likely...or if you did it'd be 5 minutes, once.... in the 400-500 mile range of that you'd need to stop once for about 15 minutes... or twice for 10-15 minutes each to go say 600ish miles....which you'd likely do in a gas car anyway to use a restroom, get drinks, gas, etc.

900 miles in a single day is rough though- I personally fly if needing to travel that far in a single day... but my suggestion would probably be something roughly like this:

Drive 250-300 miles from home on your initial charge.

Stop for 10-15 minutes at a supercharger, use the bathroom, drive another 150 miles

Stop at a supercharger where there's food nearby and do a long charge while you sit down and have lunch. By the time you're done at the restaurant you'll have another 300+ miles of range- jump back on the road.

Do one more 10-15 minute stop at a supercharger, use the bathroom, grab a drink, go drive another 150 miles.

That ought to get you ~900 miles down the road.... and take no real extra time compared to a gas car unless you never stop for a sitdown meal on your normal 900 mile drives and pee in a jar enroute.


Obviously if driving in the hinterlands you might need to adjust this some, but if you're near major highways any significant amount of the time, even away from the coasts, it should be quite doable.






I'd be a buyer of a new 77" 120Hz LG OLED at $999 too but that's also probably not happening.

Yup.-- this price drop brings prices mostly back to where they were pre-covid-- that's why the cratering margin FUD makes no sense- margins were industry leading at these prices back in 2019, and cost efficiencies and mfg have gotten far better for Tesla since- so per vehicle margin should remain industry leading while also greatly increasing total sales compared to then thanks to the tax credits.





They switched to LFP batteries for the SR RWD Model 3 in fall of 2021.

The car is built in California, the batteries come from China (for that model)... All other Teslas sold in the US are built in the US, with batteries made in the US (either in California, Nevada, or Texas)




But that's not going to be an issue.




What future problem? EV batteries can be recycled-- and will be, because the materials in them are so valuable and future demand for battery material is high.

Tesla has recycled its batteries from the start-




In fact- one of Teslas founders (JB Straubel) started up a company specifically to do that for everyone else- it's going so well they recently announced a new 3.5 billion dollar recycling plant to be built in South Carolina-

https://www.theverge.com/2022/12/...ng-factory

They have deals already with Ford, Toyota, Nissan, etc...

These aren't tiny cell phone batteries it's cheaper to throw away.... they're profitable to recycle




Check out my other posts on other topics. I prefer to correct misinformation no matter the subject. There just tends to be a LOT of misinformation in Tesla threads.



I wish Tesla had offered an option for magnetic suspension as you can get on a few other sport sedans. The conventional one is.... fine? At least as good as the one my Lexus IS350 with sport suspension had- handling is perhaps even a little better thanks to the lower center of gravity the battery gives you... but I'd have loved magnetic shocks.

I'm not sure that qualifies as something I don't like, vs just something I wished it offered though?

otherwise- not really?

There's things I EXPECTED to miss... like the Lexus has vented seats and the Tesla does not...and I LOVED that on the Lexus.

But then I realized you can just turn on AC with the app a couple minutes before going out to the car and you end up with a BETTER experience because the entire car is cool when you get in... versus the Lexus where it was like getting into an oven that kept your back cool.



So-- less maintenance, cheaper to fuel, cheaper to purchase, significant time savings never needing to stop as gas stations, service comes to your house for most issues- of which there's fewer than the Lexus had anyway, significantly better performance, much better infotainment, much better ADAS, more comfortable for rear passengers due to no transmission tunnel, more cargo space thanks to frunk, map updates are free instead of $300 a year, plus they keep improving the car over time.



What's not to like, exactly?


EDIT- Ah, wait- I thought of something!

Lexus would give you a loaner car if you needed service that'd take more than 2 hours. Tesla will give you one once in a while (mainly for overnight service) but mostly they just give you $100 per day in Uber credits... which work ok, but I prefer the loaner.

That said- I had to use the Lexus service probably a dozen or more times while I owned it. I've only had to physically bring my car into Tesla service twice, ever.... once I got a loaner, once I got uber credits.

So there ya go... I preferred the loaner systems from Lexus...Also the Lexus dealer had better snacks and drinks. (though not the fact it needed to go in vastly more often...and if I had to pick one it'd certainly be the far fewer visits but no loaner method)






They obviously didn't give me newer headlight design or a heat pump retroactively.

I DID get an upgraded driving computer for free though since I own FSD.


But they DO give you new features on old cars via software updates. Including old cars not even under warranty anymore. It's one of the superior things about Tesla compared to other brands.

My Lexus I owned for 11 years never got any better after I drove it off the lot. My Tesla has- many times.

Some were just fun (romance mode, or adding games you can play in the car, or adding new streaming services the car didn't used to have (netflix, disney, apple music, etc), some are quite useful (dog mode, sentry mode, cloud driver profiles if you use more than 1 tesla), some are outright improvements in specs (Tesla pushed 2 different for free acceleration updates after I bought the car-- my car got measurable quicker- twice- for free-- they also pushed out a range improvement for free, improved several safety features, etc)- plus of course the ADAS system gets frequent improvements, updates, and new features.






LOL thanks for providing a great chance to illustrate what I wrote a few minutes ago!

Still waaaay over priced.

Yet Toyota and Honda have probably done more research on EVs in the past few decades and absolutely want nothing to do with them.

That's your red flag there.

Also, many of the major car companies are just going along with silly, idealistic government mandates or looking to boost the stock price like Tesla did, hence the constant announcements that "WE'RE GOING EV BY 2035!!!"

I mean, I told everyone I'd be a billionaire by 2004 in 1995, you think that ever happened?

If you can make a claim that you can go all-EV by 2035, you should be able to do it the same year. I'm 40, have read all the Popular Science and Mechanics magazines in the nineties and early 2000s, kept up with Engadget and the Verge...most of the tech that actually works isn't plastered all over the media. It quietly gets released and transitioned in. The stuff that gets the big press releases never sees the light of day.

A laughable example is the Boeing Hypersonic Cruiser which became the 787 and the the US military's Objective Individual Combat Weapon, or HK's G11 caseless rifle.

OLED, ok, that actually happened and I own two OLED TVs, but it was actually new tech with a high ceiling for improvement. And unless you're a big home theater nerd, you probably don't know anything about it or even think it's a gimmick. OLED's pitfall is burn-in, but I've never owned an OLED product that's had that issue and I can live with it. EVs have too many dealbreakers.

Seeing owners gush about them, followed by "I don't dare take it on road trips" is just silly. If you're Jay Leno and own a bunch of cars, EVs are great. If you can only have one car like 95% of the world, forget it.

This is a horrible deal. It's not a deal at all to get a horribly made 0 quality car. It's truly mind boggling how much people would pay for clout. This car is worth 15k at the most. It's an empty interior and they stuck a $500 ipad screen on. They took all controls away and put it in the screen. This is not a feature its a safety hazard. Used ones can be found for under 30k. They are identical to the ones being sold new with no new features. There's a reason they are so cheap. No one wants one. Owners who own them can't get rid of them. And the way Tesla drops prices your brand new car will be half its value in a few months.

Toyota did make an attempt with their Bz EV but it has been a failure.

They are going back to the drawing board with a new EV platform and guess which car company's car they dismantled to study?

Honda and Toyota are still not taking EVs seriously. Stop listening to press releases. They're doing it for the stock price, shareholders and those corporate SJW indexes they're all worried about now.

In many cities, chargers are still few and far between, with existing ones not being expanded in years or located in terrible areas. There was supposed to be a charging station built near a Target by me. Eight to ten spots or so, was never finished, it's been three years. I work off the highway near major truck stops. Saw a Hummer EV driven in, a Ford Lightning, see EVs like the Amazon Rivian delivery van or the Lightnings driven in on the car carrier trucks, but there are NO EV CHARGERS anywhere near that highway exit! No plans apparently to install any either. A coworker of mine has a Ford Mustang Mach-E. I think they would have to drive 10 miles to another part of the city to find a charger, and there's only like 4 there. This is a cold state too.

But of course, anyone who disagrees with EVs and provides evidence they have problems is met with hostile insults like "BOOMER" or "FUD." That's all you've got. You can't even demonstrate this tech is the future. It's all hope and prayer, like a cult.

When all else fails, you get mods to ban or shadowban dissenters. Sigh.

I believe they are planning a hybrid that can go 124 miles or something on electric before going to gas. That's honestly a lot better but a car like that will probably be super expensive and have a lot that needs to be fixed. I'm still not convinced about batteries either. I'm waiting for a news story five years from now about how renewables has created a mountain of e-waste that's being dumped in third world countries followed by "switch back to oil and gas to save the planet!"

That is pretty much exactly what happened with the "plant a tree, save the planet" movement. It's now all about using as much paper products now to save the planet, ROFLMAO. I used to go to college with many rich liberals. They are not the brightest cats. They all jump on trends and do little research or thinking for themselves.

Still waaaay over priced.

The electric car mandates are upsetting as anyone who does any sort of research into EVs can see they have a lot of problems and are not the future.

What's absolutely disturbing is how it's become politically incorrect to criticize EVs with many message boards and social media sites shadowbanning or blocking you for providing evidence why EVs should not be mandated and why the adoption of them is likely being encouraged because of greed and blind zealotry. Directing anyone towards Youtube and tiktok videos by multiple channel owners demonstrating the serious issues EVs have is also met with hostility, insults and dismissal.

It really seems these people have to learn the hard way and are going full steam ahead with that plan.

It's funny that your opening basis is all the bad decisions that Toyota has made over the years, EVs with wheels that fall off, decade declining sale hybrid; the disaster that is Mirai (speaking of nowhere to fill up, how ironic). Yeah Toyota isn't the one to track & their capitulation isn't laudable.

In another comment you're anti IRA BEV credit where the battery sourcing requirements alone are creating many US jobs as companies/trading partners announce billions to expand in the US; don't know how you can't rationalize this economic boon on that aspect alone but then you're seemingly in favor of directing American to CCP's Tik-Tok so perhaps US interest(s) isn't your interest. yet in another lane change comment you're pro US Jobs. Weird.