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EcoSmart Light Bulbs: 8-Pack 60-Watt Dimmable LED Light Bulbs $13.78, 6-Pack 60-Watt Dimmable Clear Glass Filament LED Light Bulbs $6.59, More + Free Shipping

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Mike510
05-05-2023 at 10:20 PM.
05-05-2023 at 10:20 PM.
Why not available for CA?
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peeplesre
05-06-2023 at 09:32 AM.
05-06-2023 at 09:32 AM.
What I hate is how most all of the ceiling fans and track lighting come with "integrated LEDs". In other words, you can't change them. But they advertise the bulbs will last 20 years. But I don't think they have any proof of this. I think they are going to last a lot less than that and then you have to change the whole ceiling fan.
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KBBQFAN
05-06-2023 at 10:43 AM.
05-06-2023 at 10:43 AM.
Idk if im using the wrong bulb but the cheapest EcoSmart ive bought havent lasted long at all (3-4 months). The philips ive bought last much longer, got them on clearance at a kroger lmao
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brainstormer
05-07-2023 at 05:30 AM.
05-07-2023 at 05:30 AM.
Everybody here seem to be complaining about EcoSmart bulbs. I have installed their dimmable BR30 9w 65W equivalent 3000K lights about 3 years ago and have yet to replace one. I also replaced all switches to Z-Wave.

Very happy with the purchase. Just bringing a personal positive perspective to balance the negative comments
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QQDeals
05-07-2023 at 12:17 PM.
05-07-2023 at 12:17 PM.
Is this dead? Be able to add to the cart fine but upon final payment step for checkout, it said items in cart not available for purchase.
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Canoman
05-07-2023 at 07:10 PM.
05-07-2023 at 07:10 PM.
The Ecosmarts I've bought at HD have had short lives. Pretty disappointing.
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babygdav
05-14-2023 at 08:13 PM.
05-14-2023 at 08:13 PM.
No idea why these...
I can walk into the dollar store any day and pick up bulbs cheaper....

CA?

Getting bulbs in its almost like Checkpoint Charlie - they gotta save electricity, they gotta meet CRI minimums, they got to have certain spectral responses, etc. It's almost like CA is trying to drive the bulb makers nuts coming up with new, crazier specs every couple of years....

Yet None of them deal with the actual recyclability of these LED toxic dump bulbs?!

Weird.

Anyways, for those with PWM flickering sensitivity (headaches, eyestrain, etc), https://ledstrain.org , the Phillips led bulbs labeled EYECOMFORT are the only ones I've tested that reliably deliver a non-flickering light across the range (up to 1/1000th second for the 40 to 75w, 1/500th for 100w.).

You can test by manually setting video mode to use a shutter speed of 1/500th to 1/1000th with a low enough iso not to wash out the image when pointing the camera at the lit bulb.

Wal-Mart, Reveal, etc - some bulbs are flicker-free, most are not.

This flickering due to pwm is at 100% brightness and not related to dimmer flickering. Any bulb can have 1 or the other problem, both, or neither.

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For those that want a high cri,
Phillips Ultra Definition bulbs have a cri 95 rating.

For those that want to save 50%~ more electricity, the very latest Phillips Ultra Efficient bulbs (e.g. 4.5w 60w vs 8.8w normally).

Both at Wal-Mart.
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The_Love_Spud
05-21-2023 at 11:11 PM.
05-21-2023 at 11:11 PM.
Quote from babygdav :
For those that want to save 50%~ more electricity, the very latest Phillips Ultra Efficient bulbs (e.g. 4.5w 60w vs 8.8w normally).
The Philips Ultra Efficient models are arguably a case where the California requirements provided some benefit to the consumer, as the U.S. market Philips Ultra Efficient lamps are 90 CRI. This reasonable color rendering rating makes them useful for more applications, without forcing a buyer to give up decent color rendering in order to achieve the low power and long life benefits of the latest model (i.e. - they're not just a pure efficiency play). Though you've definitely highlighted that models with better color rendering scores are available, I do consider it noteworthy how the U.S. Ultra Efficient models do attempt some balance with their efficiency vs. color rendering value.

And in this case the CRI improvement was clearly something Philips did to meet the higher California standard when you consider the comparable foreign market models on which the Ultra Efficient LED lamps were developed: Philips' European Ultra Efficient model and even their earlier 'Dubai' lamp which pioneered >200 lumens per watt retail LED lamps are both 'only' 80 CRI sources.

The downside is that tweaking the CRI up did diminish some of the efficiency (there's no such thing as a free lunch), so while the foreign models achieve slightly greater than 200 lumens per watt, the U.S. models are slightly below 200 lumens per watt. However, these values are all significant since this range (approx. 200 lumens/watt) is near the peak efficacy to be expected from "white" light sources using current technology [dial.de]. (And there's even a case to be made that this would be the limit of any ideal true white light source, as in a full spectrum source akin to the sun: check this out if you want to go deep! [ucsd.edu])

Of course, the current price of those Wal-Mart exclusive Ultra Efficient models - as much as $10 for a single 60W equivalent(!) - will surely limit their appeal to enthusiasts willing to pay a premium for the most light from the fewest watts and/or those simply hoping to get a lamp with the longest service life possible. That last item is another noteworthy side-benefit of the optimization for efficiency: a potentially extended service life! The Philips Ultra Efficient models are (for now) claiming a 50,000 hour service life.

Clearly I have a lot of enthusiasm for the new lamp, even if the price means I'm personally unlikely to buy one anytime soon.

Good luck!
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ShushiiT
06-01-2023 at 06:32 AM.
06-01-2023 at 06:32 AM.
the 32 packs are back to over $30 rip
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