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Model: TCL 65-Inch QM8 QLED 4K Smart Mini LED TV with Google TV (65QM850G, 2023 Model) Dolby Vision, Dolby Atmos, HDR Ultra, Game Accelerator up to 240Hz, Voice Remote, Works with Alexa, Streaming Television
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Your take away from this video from FOMO is odd as hell. It is getting nothing but mostly praise and you had the exact opposite reaction? Weird take but okay. And the keyword is you are watching a monitor that is being livestreamed over the internet, you are not going to see what they see, that is why people watch. To hear what they have to say opinion wise while getting a tease of the actual tv's.
I've got the 65" and I really like the TV. Upscaling is better than what I was expecting, since I watch a shit load of SD/shitty cable content. I'm coming from a 60" KS8000, so I'm not the best example/comparison. That, and I haven't tried any DV/HDR content yet. I had ordered a C2, but was worried about brightness because the room the TV is in gets really bright. This TV obviously doesn't have any issues with brightness. Watching Gunsmoke a few minutes ago and the brightness was only at 29 lol. Clint Eastwood movie now (in color instead of black and white like Gunsmoke) and it's at 26.
At these prices, I'd give it a shot and see if the issues are tolerable. But you could probably wait and see if the DV/HDR10 issues are fixed/made better, and this price will probably be back a few more times over the next few months. And like others have said, keep an eye on the thread over at AVS!
1) Google TV is great.
2) Ignoring #1, you could buy a Roku stick for like $25 and be right back to using that if needed. The platform the TV is running on is rarely a reason to buy it or not, especially not at the high end.
Stop The FOMO did a comparison between G3 OLED, QM8 and a Hisense U8h, and as much as I was looking forward to getting a QM8, I'll likely be getting a G2 or G3 instead
QM8 blacks we're definitely not inky. Darker scenes were night and day difference in favor of OLED.
Watch the comparison. They were much more lenient to the QM8 but to me OLED looked much better. Hoped all those dimming zones would help but not enough.
One caveat is this video is obviously viewed on a monitor, in person my opinion could change.
Your take away from this video from FOMO is odd as hell. It is getting nothing but mostly praise and you had the exact opposite reaction? Weird take but okay. And the keyword is you are watching a monitor that is being livestreamed over the internet, you are not going to see what they see, that is why people watch. To hear what they have to say opinion wise while getting a tease of the actual tv's.
Your take away from this video from FOMO is odd as hell. It is getting nothing but mostly praise and you had the exact opposite reaction? Weird take but okay. And the keyword is you are watching a monitor that is being livestreamed over the internet, you are not going to see what they see, that is why people watch. To hear what they have to say opinion wise while getting a tease of the actual tv's.
And I believe Brian had local dimming off on the TCL for half the video as well lol
Stop The FOMO did a comparison between G3 OLED, QM8 and a Hisense U8h, and as much as I was looking forward to getting a QM8, I'll likely be getting a G2 or G3 instead
QM8 blacks we're definitely not inky. Darker scenes were night and day difference in favor of OLED.
Watch the comparison. They were much more lenient to the QM8 but to me OLED looked much better. Hoped all those dimming zones would help but not enough.
One caveat is this video is obviously viewed on a monitor, in person my opinion could change.
I saw what they saw. Was the OLED marginally better in some instances? Yes. "Night and day " is a gargantuan stretch from reality, given what was shown.
I've got the 65" and I really like the TV. Upscaling is better than what I was expecting, since I watch a shit load of SD/shitty cable content. I'm coming from a 60" KS8000, so I'm not the best example/comparison. That, and I haven't tried any DV/HDR content yet. I had ordered a C2, but was worried about brightness because the room the TV is in gets really bright. This TV obviously doesn't have any issues with brightness. Watching Gunsmoke a few minutes ago and the brightness was only at 29 lol. Clint Eastwood movie now (in color instead of black and white like Gunsmoke) and it's at 26.
At these prices, I'd give it a shot and see if the issues are tolerable. But you could probably wait and see if the DV/HDR10 issues are fixed/made better, and this price will probably be back a few more times over the next few months. And like others have said, keep an eye on the thread over at AVS!
Hello fellow KS8000 dinosaur! How would you compare it in person to an OLED? I know stopthefomo had high praise for it and what are the DV/HDR10 issues you mention? I'm still using my 65ks8000 and upgraded to an S95B a while ago but it promptly died. Don't think I can accept any new tv that doesn't come close to OLED levels again. Would you say it has at least 90% performance of the S95B, provided of course you've seen/used that?
I highly question the need for 1000nit brightness, unless you're watching purely outdoors (1000 nits is how bright it gets in a lot of cell phones to get readability in direct sunlight).
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Reviewers need to stop chasing numbers, because after a certain point it becomes pointless. If next year they come out with 2000 nit, 3000 nit TVs, are those objectively better than the 1000 nit TV just because it can go higher? I think we've reached a ceiling with non-self-illuminating LCD TVs (anything not OLED and mini-LED) and the best sets can no longer outdo their previous incarnations, but companies either chase pointless features
This is reminiscent of the way mouse manufacturers still force their newest sensors to increase their max DPI (we're in the ridiculous 25k+ DPI era), even though few people use over 1600 and nobody exceeds like 5k. Gotta have a bigger number to be better, right?
This is reminiscent of the way mouse manufacturers still force their newest sensors to increase their max DPI (we're in the ridiculous 25k+ DPI era), even though few people use over 1600 and nobody exceeds like 5k. Gotta have a bigger number to be better, right?
Heres the thing people such as the poster above you is ignoring. That 1000/2000/ nit number is usually advertised on a really small window like 2%. On a 25% or higher window that brightness drops precipitously. Most TVs cannot sustain peak brightness for very long either. The QM8 apparently has close to 1000 nit brightness on a 100% window.
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I got the 75QM8 for $1,799. Had it for 6 days now.
Love it for the $$
Have you had a TCL Mini LED before the QM8? I have the 65R635 and absolutely love it. I'm hesitant to make the switch to Google TV, Roku has just been rock solid for us.
Have you had a TCL Mini LED before the QM8? I have the 65R635 and absolutely love it. I'm hesitant to make the switch to Google TV, Roku has just been rock solid for us.
1) Google TV is great.
2) Ignoring #1, you could buy a Roku stick for like $25 and be right back to using that if needed. The platform the TV is running on is rarely a reason to buy it or not, especially not at the high end.
Hello fellow KS8000 dinosaur! How would you compare it in person to an OLED? I know stopthefomo had high praise for it and what are the DV/HDR10 issues you mention? I'm still using my 65ks8000 and upgraded to an S95B a while ago but it promptly died. Don't think I can accept any new tv that doesn't come close to OLED levels again. Would you say it has at least 90% performance of the S95B, provided of course you've seen/used that?
KS8000 owners unite! Lol. I still love that damn thing. It's started to fail, or I'd still be using it!
The only OLED I've owned was a B7, so I wouldn't be able to tell you for certain, so I'm sorry about that. This is just my opinion, but once you've gone OLED, it's hard to use anything else.
Go to the AVS Forum thread on this TV, start on page 23, scroll about half way down, and you'll see the discussion start about the issues.
I'm honestly tempted to grab a C2 and compare the two. It's not a QD, but Best Buy only has open boxes for the 65" S95B, and I'm not paying the high prices for the S95C lol
Have you had a TCL Mini LED before the QM8? I have the 65R635 and absolutely love it. I'm hesitant to make the switch to Google TV, Roku has just been rock solid for us.
No. I replaced a 5-6 year old 65" LG OLED with burn in.
This is my first Mini LED and TCL tv.
That video from Stop The Fomo will tell you just how amazing the QM8 really is.
The Q7 is on par with the Sony X90 series for only $650 on Amazon and it comes with way more dimming zones - over 200 compared to 54. TCL is clearly going for marketshare with these prices as they are well below competitors of the same performance tier.
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Never thought I'd see the day where a TCL TV hit the $2k mark. LOL
Yeah it is strange, its slowly becoming a mainstream brand. TCL is still budget minded but theyre lurking into more mainstream territory. Hisense is as well, I think Hisense is arguably a little better w/ the product variety but both brands for the higher end products actually have decent color science and processing nowadays. Its not the same shitty brand we knew like a decade ago.
Does this one come with Google/Android TV because i was never a fan of Roku on TCL devices, but I know some models do ur Android TV instead similar to Hisense & Sony. Between this and the U8H on sale rn the U8H does seem like the better deal tho.
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Does this one come with Google/Android TV because i was never a fan of Roku on TCL devices, but I know some models do ur Android TV instead similar to Hisense & Sony. Between this and the U8H on sale rn the U8H does seem like the better deal tho.
It has Google TV. TCL swaps back & forth year to year.
U8H is a 2022 TV, QM8 is a 2023 TV. Hisense U8K is coming out in the next 2 months & will probably be a better sparring partner for QM8 (although early indications are that QM8 has it beat when it comes to specs, outside of QM8 not having ATSC 3.0 tuner).
Best comparison between U8H & QM8 you can probably get at this early stage is the Stop the FOMO video people are talking about, which I'll link here
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At these prices, I'd give it a shot and see if the issues are tolerable. But you could probably wait and see if the DV/HDR10 issues are fixed/made better, and this price will probably be back a few more times over the next few months. And like others have said, keep an eye on the thread over at AVS!
2) Ignoring #1, you could buy a Roku stick for like $25 and be right back to using that if needed. The platform the TV is running on is rarely a reason to buy it or not, especially not at the high end.
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QM8 blacks we're definitely not inky. Darker scenes were night and day difference in favor of OLED.
Watch the comparison. They were much more lenient to the QM8 but to me OLED looked much better. Hoped all those dimming zones would help but not enough.
One caveat is this video is obviously viewed on a monitor, in person my opinion could change.
https://www.youtube.com/live/9buc...ture=sha
QM8 blacks we're definitely not inky. Darker scenes were night and day difference in favor of OLED.
Watch the comparison. They were much more lenient to the QM8 but to me OLED looked much better. Hoped all those dimming zones would help but not enough.
One caveat is this video is obviously viewed on a monitor, in person my opinion could change.
https://www.youtube.com/live/9buc...ture=sha
At these prices, I'd give it a shot and see if the issues are tolerable. But you could probably wait and see if the DV/HDR10 issues are fixed/made better, and this price will probably be back a few more times over the next few months. And like others have said, keep an eye on the thread over at AVS!
I highly question the need for 1000nit brightness, unless you're watching purely outdoors (1000 nits is how bright it gets in a lot of cell phones to get readability in direct sunlight).
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Reviewers need to stop chasing numbers, because after a certain point it becomes pointless. If next year they come out with 2000 nit, 3000 nit TVs, are those objectively better than the 1000 nit TV just because it can go higher? I think we've reached a ceiling with non-self-illuminating LCD TVs (anything not OLED and mini-LED) and the best sets can no longer outdo their previous incarnations, but companies either chase pointless features
Love it for the $$
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Love it for the $$
2) Ignoring #1, you could buy a Roku stick for like $25 and be right back to using that if needed. The platform the TV is running on is rarely a reason to buy it or not, especially not at the high end.
The only OLED I've owned was a B7, so I wouldn't be able to tell you for certain, so I'm sorry about that. This is just my opinion, but once you've gone OLED, it's hard to use anything else.
Go to the AVS Forum thread on this TV, start on page 23, scroll about half way down, and you'll see the discussion start about the issues.
I'm honestly tempted to grab a C2 and compare the two. It's not a QD, but Best Buy only has open boxes for the 65" S95B, and I'm not paying the high prices for the S95C lol
This is my first Mini LED and TCL tv.
That video from Stop The Fomo will tell you just how amazing the QM8 really is.
The Q7 is on par with the Sony X90 series for only $650 on Amazon and it comes with way more dimming zones - over 200 compared to 54. TCL is clearly going for marketshare with these prices as they are well below competitors of the same performance tier.
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U8H is a 2022 TV, QM8 is a 2023 TV. Hisense U8K is coming out in the next 2 months & will probably be a better sparring partner for QM8 (although early indications are that QM8 has it beat when it comes to specs, outside of QM8 not having ATSC 3.0 tuner).
Best comparison between U8H & QM8 you can probably get at this early stage is the Stop the FOMO video people are talking about, which I'll link here
https://www.youtube.com/live/9buc...ture=sha
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