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2023 Tesla Model 3 w/ 3 Months Supercharging + $7500 Federal Tax Credit

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$40,240

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Tesla is offering its 2023 Tesla Model 3 starting from $37830. This model now qualifies for the $7500 Federal Tax Credit (more information here and here).

Thanks to community member krispytreat007 for sharing this deal.

Note, price and availability will vary by location and may be limited. Additional fees may apply.

Additionally, this includes 3 months free unlimited Supercharging if ordered and delivered between June 14 and June 30, 2023.

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  • To qualify for the federal tax credit, one must not exceed the following adjusted gross income limits:
    • $300000 for married couples filing jointly
    • $225000 for heads of households
    • $150000 for all other filers
  • The credit is nonrefundable, so you can't get back more on the credit than you owe in taxes. You can't apply any excess credit to future tax years.
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Tesla is offering its 2023 Tesla Model 3 starting from $37830. This model now qualifies for the $7500 Federal Tax Credit (more information here and here).

Thanks to community member krispytreat007 for sharing this deal.

Note, price and availability will vary by location and may be limited. Additional fees may apply.

Additionally, this includes 3 months free unlimited Supercharging if ordered and delivered between June 14 and June 30, 2023.

Editor's Notes

Written by qwikwit | Staff
  • To qualify for the federal tax credit, one must not exceed the following adjusted gross income limits:
    • $300000 for married couples filing jointly
    • $225000 for heads of households
    • $150000 for all other filers
  • The credit is nonrefundable, so you can't get back more on the credit than you owe in taxes. You can't apply any excess credit to future tax years.
  • See the forum thread for deal discussion.
  • Get 1%-5% cash back on deals like this with a cash back credit card. Compare the available cash back credit cards here.

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Eagles89
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You forgot to mention the $1390 destination fee, $425 for wall connector, $230 for mobile charger, $250 non-refundable order fee.
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Tesla Model 3 RWD starts at $40,240 but is now eligible for the full $7,500 federal tax credit (income limits apply). Previously, it was only eligible for $3,750. This makes the starting price $32,740 after tax credit.

https://www.tesla.com/model3/design

Deal is even sweeter if you live in a state with additional credits:

VT: $26,320
MA: $26,830
PA: $27,330
RI: $27,820
DE: $27,820
NY: $28,320
CA: $28,330
CO: $28,330
CT: $29,030
ME: $29,320

Full tax credit details below, but the following income limits apply:

$300,000 for married couples filing jointly
$225,000 for heads of households
$150,000 for all other filers

https://www.irs.gov/credits-deduc...3-or-after
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NO IT DOES NOT.

Withholding is totally irrelevant to qualifying for the credit.

If you're unclear on this go read a 1040.

The part where you compute tax liability is lines 16 through 24.

THAT is where the $7500 EV credit comes off.

Your withholdings aren't even looked at until after that on line 25+







This is also not correct.

The Child Tax Credit is worth a maximum of $2,000 per qualifying child. Up to $1,600 is refundable for the 2023 tax year.

Refundable credits are computed AFTER non-refundable ones-- so the CTC is only "worth" $400 off your tax burden for these purposes- the $1600 left is refundable.

Thus if you had say $7900 in tax burden and one CTC and one EV credit, your tax burden would go to $0 and you'd get a full refund of the $1600 refundable part of the CTC


Source:
https://www.nerdwallet.com/articl...tax-credit

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Quote from discostu :
I don't know about other owners but you don't need to buy any special tires for EV. I have a 2018 M3 and I just grabbed the cheapest tires at Costco. I am unable to tell any difference in efficiency. Energy consumption still get about 220-230wh/mile for long road trips. I drive from Norcal to Los Angeles about 4 times a year to visit the inlaws and the consumption hasn't changed at all.

Phantom drain is practically nonexistent. I just came back from a 10 day trip with the M3 parked in an outdoor airport parking lot with exposure to sun and cold and everything and the drain was maybe 3%. 3% of 82kWH at 9c/kWH is less than a nickel. This is not a cellphone battery, do not be concerned about phantom drain.

Your gas savings heavily depend on your utility rates and your driving pattern. I've had the M3 since August 2018 and have put about 75k miles on it. I used to pay only 7c/kwh but now it's 9c/kwh. Even calculated at today's rates, I spent a little under $1600 over the last 5 years to drive(0.23kwh/mile x 75k miles x .09usd/kwh) about 75k miles. At $4/gallon for Norcal prices with 75k miles at 30mpg it would have been about $10k for the same miles.

Insurance is a bit expensive. I'm with GEICO and have a clean driving record, it's about $1000 per year. I'm also an old fart with a really clean driving record and I'm not happy that I'm still paying this much. I have a 2019 CRV that's half that rate.
Awesome, thank you for a first person feed back. I drive very little so electric actually make perfect sense. I do annual oil change, but difficult to justify after only driven just hundreds of miles in some years. As you mentioned, I do have to check the insurance rate.
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Quote from newbharry :
Just pull trigger. I changed from Prius. Never gonna look back

Shredded408 said:
No thanks on these sheep vehicles...
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

They may be "sheep vehicles" but....

I do not own a Tesla. I'm doing research for facts, not anecdotal emotional feelings, Fact: Tesla shown to get best in class 4.1 miles/kWh. Non-peak charging is $0.23/kwh in my area. Some people get even less electricity cost. That is $4.1miles/ $0.23 = $17.8 Miles Per Dollar. Even a Prius getting 50 MPG, with gas about $5/gallon, is only 10 Miles Per Dollar. Unless we have a pandemic or the like, gas prices keep going up. When gasoline is $6/g, that Prius is only getting 8.3 Miles Per Dollar, and so on as gas goes higher. I doubt there will be a gasoline powered car that will get much more than about 50MPG because the ICE technology paradigm is maxed out. EV batteries, on the other hand, are in the early innings of research, development, and improvement. Undoubtedly there will be faster charging, longer range, better energy density, lower costs, etc. Tesla EVs will likely improve on that Miles Per Dollar. As more renewable energy and battery storage for uilities occur, there is less cost for producing electricity compared to fossil fuel electricity. Even Australia has seen the lowering of electricity costs because of renewable energy and closing coal plants.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hC18JaiPKwU&t=5s

If you think fewer gas cars may mean less demand for gas, then lower gas prices, you are more naive than I thought. Gas companies will protect there profit margins by cutting production so they can gouge ICE car owners to that last drop. So as gas prices rise, and you know it will, all ICE cars owner will "brag about their MPG" but most importantly get less Miles Per Dollar.

Despite nay-sayers about AutoPilot and Full-Self-Driving, studies also show far greater miles driven before an accident compared to a regular driver without such software.

https://www.tesla.com/VehicleSafe...s%20driven

https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-f...ed%20crash

Also gov crash and safety study shows Tesla models have lowest risk of bodily injury in an accident compared to all other vehicles...

https://www.tesla.com/blog/model-...sted-nhtsa

These Tesla EV "sheep vehicles" also have the option to subscribing, instead of buying outright, to the Full Self Driving per month. So maybe a good way to try it? Maybe good for road trip to unfamiliar area and long drives? Maybe good for time-being needs like injury, illness, handicap, assistance, etc.? Maybe good for beginner driver (or elderly driver) for extra safety measure?

I don't own a Tesla EV yet. But I don't like paying extra unnecessary bucks to get from point A to point B with an inferior product, just because of my pride or ignorance. Tired of my Prius because I still pay for gas, oil changes, smog check, worry about catalytic converter theft, etc.
I am a multi-car buyer of Toyotas in our extended family members. One by one, more own a Tesla. I'm the "black sheep" hold out so far.
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Consolidating a ton of replies-

Quote from upL8N8 :
Not saying this is a lie... but It wouldn't be the first time.
Can you cite any example of Tesla, the company, making a public statement about pricing or tax credits on existing products that turned out not to be factual?

The rest of your post was just examples of Elon speculating about some future products and/or abilities that didn't exist at the time he speculated on them-- not any sort of specific financial guarantee to present customers.



Quote from PickyCustomer :
The company is in a big trouble. They need cash so bad that is why you see price reduction and promotions.

They have ~20 billion dollars in cash, have been massively profitable every quarter for years, and dominate the industry in vehicle profit margins.

Literally nothing you claim is supported by anything resembling a fact.

Quote from cscamp20 :
Why charge a destination fee? That's bee es
Because it's required by federal law on every new car sale from every brand.


Quote from java568 :
This is a great point, but Tesla's decision to do this is costing it sales
Given they typically have either a backlog, or less than a week or two of inventory on hand, they're not really "losing" anything--- there's still plenty of buyers for every car they make.




Quote from MICHAELSD :
I suppose the concern is whether discounted inventory has a China-produced LFP battery or the newer, assumedly American-produced LFP battery. Technically only the latter of which would qualify for the full $7,500 tax credit if it's based on the VIN.
Nope.

Tesla said the full $7500 credit is valid on ALL versions, even the LFP battery ones, and retroactive to April 18th, so everyone who bought one gets the $7500 credit available to them if they otherwise qualify on income/tax burden.


Quote from alwaysjammin :
It really depends on the type of battery. If you already received it then no…if you have not received it, call them asap and tell them you want the one with the battery that qualifies for the $7500 tax credit
Again- nope-- see reply directly above this one. EVERYONE gets it, even previous buyers.



Quote from OceanTwelve :
Not if you wait till next year where they will take $7.5k off the sticker price
To be clear- they take it off at point of sale--- but when you do your taxes if you didn't actually qualify for it you'll be writing the IRS a check for the full value you took at time of sale but did not qualify for.






Quote from brown1978 :
I have the same question if we buy 2 does that mean 15k credit?

Of course- assuming you otherwise qualify (ie you aren't over the income cap, and you have 15k in tax liability)




Quote from lebulldog :
I think you are missing the obvious - the battery condition. Dhruva has a 10 year old car. So if you compare to a 10 year old BEV, the battery range is no where even close to only a 10% reduction. My BEV is also a 2013 with only 30,000 miles and I have now a 25% battery power los
I'm sorry you bought an early Nissan leaf that had no liquid cooling system at all and thus wrecked itself.

It's a common issue.

Tesla never had that problem and 10 year old batteries routinely retain >85% of their original charge.


Quote from matrix5k :
Camry and Accord are larger than Model 3.
I don't think so Tim.


Quote from stpetedan :
Maybe a dumb question. Does TESLA allow trade-in a Honda?

Like anyone else they'll take any brand as a trade in.



Quote from papayabhai2002 :
Wait it will be under 20k soon. Their maintenance is too controlled and takes months to fix a tire issue. I have seen it in SE state.
...what?

Teslas use the same tires any other car does- and you can replace that at any of the thousands and thousands of tire shops all over the country.


Quote from skrubs10021 :
anyone know if the tax credit will change next year? mostly regarding the income limit. thanks
Income limit does not change

Quote from WiseGorilla324 :
I already filed taxes for 2022. To get the tax credit, do they look at 2022 income or 2023 income now.
You can use either.


Quote from polojeansco :
Happy meals and diaper genie are common sense puffery (legal definition).

Full self driving is plain language and deceptive.

Can you show me the legal definition that makes your claim about this anything less than obviously untrue?

Because at a glance it looks like you dismissed 2 descriptive names that don't LITERALLY do what their name does without giving any reason for that- and insisted one was legally binding despite demonstrating 0 difference between any of em.

Puffery is a legal term regarding specific claims about what the product does.... Not some overly literal reading of the NAME of the product.

And as pointed out- Teslas FSD capability option does everything it claims it does in the product description shown during purchase



Quote from gpister :
So to clear this up. Say I go 0 and owe 5000 in taxes it cancels? What if I go exempt I would easily go over the $7,500. Just curious how it works.

Your withholdings are totally irrelevant to how much of the credit you can use.

Again- withholdings don't appear on your 1040 until line 25.

Your tax owed, and the EV credit, have all already been handled before then.
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Frustrating that income limits apply for federal tax credit. I don't mean that as a humble brag, but income above 150k in socal isn't the same as it is in other parts of the country.
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Quote from Knightshade :
Consolidating a ton of replies-



Can you cite any example of Tesla, the company, making a public statement about pricing or tax credits on existing products that turned out not to be factual?

The rest of your post was just examples of Elon speculating about some future products and/or abilities that didn't exist at the time he speculated on them-- not any sort of specific financial guarantee to present customers.






They have ~20 billion dollars in cash, have been massively profitable every quarter for years, and dominate the industry in vehicle profit margins.

Literally nothing you claim is supported by anything resembling a fact.



Because it's required by federal law on every new car sale from every brand.




Given they typically have either a backlog, or less than a week or two of inventory on hand, they're not really "losing" anything--- there's still plenty of buyers for every car they make.






Nope.

Tesla said the full $7500 credit is valid on ALL versions, even the LFP battery ones, and retroactive to April 18th, so everyone who bought one gets the $7500 credit available to them if they otherwise qualify on income/tax burden.




Again- nope-- see reply directly above this one. EVERYONE gets it, even previous buyers.





To be clear- they take it off at point of sale--- but when you do your taxes if you didn't actually qualify for it you'll be writing the IRS a check for the full value you took at time of sale but did not qualify for.









Of course- assuming you otherwise qualify (ie you aren't over the income cap, and you have 15k in tax liability)






I'm sorry you bought an early Nissan leaf that had no liquid cooling system at all and thus wrecked itself.

It's a common issue.

Tesla never had that problem and 10 year old batteries routinely retain >85% of their original charge.




I don't think so Tim.





Like anyone else they'll take any brand as a trade in.





...what?

Teslas use the same tires any other car does- and you can replace that at any of the thousands and thousands of tire shops all over the country.




Income limit does not change



You can use either.





Can you show me the legal definition that makes your claim about this anything less than obviously untrue?

Because at a glance it looks like you dismissed 2 descriptive names that don't LITERALLY do what their name does without giving any reason for that- and insisted one was legally binding despite demonstrating 0 difference between any of em.





Your withholdings are totally irrelevant to how much of the credit you can use.

Again- withholdings don't appear on your 1040 until line 25.

Your tax owed, and the EV credit, have all already been handled before then.
The qualifications aren't any different than this one. My point is if you don't want to deal with the tax credit process, you can just wait 6 months and get the $ upfront.
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Cheaper than a Camry or Accord
I'll still take a Camry or Accord.
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Quote from abner5 :
MD has $4k rebate starting 7/1/23
Do you have to buy after July 1st to get this MD rebate?
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Quote from krnprogamer :
I don't fully understand how this tax credit thing works.

So basically, would I subtract the tax credit amount to line 24 (total tax) and then subtract from line 33 (total payments)? So if you normally receive tax refunds, you would essentially add $7500 on top of what you normally would get refunded? Am I understanding this correctly?
You actually subtract the EV credit earlier than that-- you subtract it from line 16, along with all other non-refundable credits.

Again, I gave a specific flow chart of how this works earlier.

If you normally get a refund or not is not relevant to how much of the $7500 credit you qualify for....here it is again:




The overly simplified way to consider this is look at line 16 of the 1040 without any non-refundable credits considered yet... That is your initial tax burden.

You can reduce that amount, dollar for dollar, for all non-refundable credits available including the $7500 EV credit and the $400 non-refundable part of any CTC you qualify for.

If you get to 0 and still have non-refundable credits, you lose the overage but all refundable credits become the start of your refund amount.

If you still aren't at 0 you can now reduce that amount, dollar for dollar, for all refundable credits.

If you get to 0 and still have refundable credits you DO NOT lose that overage- it becomes the initial amount of your refund.

THEN, and ONLY THEN, would you look at your withholdings at all

If you were already at 0 with the above then you take your total withholdings and add 100% of it to your refund
OR
If you never reached 0 after all those credits, you reduce the remaining tax burden dollar for dollar until you reach 0 any remaining withholdings is your refund.

If you STILL don't hit 0 by the end of withholdings, that's your tax bill.



Quote from Hawaiiana :
How sure we are getting the 7.5k rebate?

Tesla states it on the purchase pages, and has made public statements confirming you get it.

So unless you think one of the largest companies in the world is just engaging in explicit and outright fraud you can be pretty sure.
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Why $150k income limit, inflation should adjust this to $300k
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Quote from Cherub :
On one hand, WTF!!! I just bought on Monday and now $1,200 off just a few days later?! I was watching prices for two months and still missed it.

On the other hand, I would be thrilled to see the full tax credit available again on the non-Performance 3, but according to the IRS, the credit is still $3,750. See here [fueleconomy.gov]. This is current as of 6/1, so unless something changed since yesterday (and there is no news supporting this), it sounds like an error.
Tesla always cuts price at the end of each quarter.
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I'm holding for $25k.
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Quote from easybeart :
How do I owe taxes to get the full $7,500 off? I always get money back when I file my taxes.
Just look at the taxes owed from last year's return. You'd be surprised how much it is before any deductions or credits.
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Quote from OceanTwelve :
The qualifications aren't any different than this one. My point is if you don't want to deal with the tax credit process, you can just wait 6 months and get the $ upfront.
What do you mean about 6 months ? There will be some price adjustment ?
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Quote from ejvyas :
What do you mean about 6 months ? There will be some price adjustment ?

Jan 1 the EV credit becomes point of sale- so it comes right off the price of the car at time of purchase.

THAT said- the qualifications are the same... so when it comes time to do your taxes if it turns out you didn't actually qualify for the credit you'll be writing the IRS a big check.




Quote from HusLol :
Tesla always cuts price at the end of each quarter.
This is flat out false.

2019:

Q1 and Q4 price increases last month of quarter. Q2 and Q3 no changes.

So 0 end of quarter cuts all of 2019 but two last month of quarter increases.


2020:

Q1 through Q4- 0 price cuts last month of the quarter all year.


2021:
Q1 the SR and LR both increased $1000 3 weeks before end of quarter, P no change.
Q2, Q3, Q4 no change to any Model 3 last month of quarter.

So 0 end of quarter cuts all of 2021 but one last month of quarter had an increase.


2022:
Two weeks before end of Q1 2022 for example Tesla actually raised Model 3 prices by $2000 on the SR and $3000 on the LR and P.

Two weeks before end of Q2 2022 they raised Model 3 LR prices another $2000 (SR and P stayed the same)

Last month of Q3 and Q4 2022 saw no changes either direction for any Model 3.

So 0 end of quarter cuts all of 2021 but several increases in last month of a quarter.

2023 so far:

Last month of Q1 2023 also saw no changes either direction for any Model 3.



In short- zero times going back years was your statement accurate.
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