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Product Name: | ASUS RT-AXE7800 Tri-band WiFi 6E Extendable Router, 6GHz Band, 2.5G Port, Subscription-free Network Security, Instant Guard, Advanced Parental Control, Built-in VPN, AiMesh Compatible, Smart Home, SMB |
Manufacturer: | ASUS |
Model Number: | RT-AXE7800 |
Product SKU: | B0BLGGN4Z9 |
UPC: | 195553632881 |
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Yes it is a huge jump from wifi 6 and 6E but its not worth the wait for people who are on a budge but still want the best possible.
I had the same issue with being on a 1Gbps plan. They did a free "upgrade" to 1.2Gbps and stopped provisioning my modem correctly. No amount of tech support could figure it out and they wouldn't admit they screwed up.
My speeds shot down to 400Mbps max, so I cancelled and got fiber rather than continue going in circles with them.
You need to call them up, have them check the provisioning, and confirm that the 8210 is still on the "supported" list for the plan you have.
Do a speed test (do NOT use their test or speedtest.net, as they have rigged those with prioritization tricks) by downloading a large file or using speedof.me (they aren't able to rig this one).
If your speeds are still terrible with the tech on the phone and they claim your signal is fine, have them send someone out to check the performance at the tap. Keep in mind the hardware they give the field guys is also somewhat rigged as it can do a lot of things your modem can't and isn't provisioned for any certain speed. It's going to give back maximum potential readings and most of the field guys will just slap the side of it and call it a day while looking cocky.
If your line to the premises is fine, you're back at square one with the modem, but now you have them doing a bunch of finger pointing at the modem being defective.
At this point, you can either try a different modem that they certify is "supported" or force them to downgrade your plan. If you play it right, you might get them to credit you for the difference on the months you've already paid for.
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Is there a way we can get beyond physics? I dont like the higher the freq, the shorter the range!
This is so golden for me as I have home webcam that needs this feature for it to work outside!
Thats why I go with DD-WRT.
It seems AX88U is having similar price but that is Wifi6 and dual band only, so it has to be some advantage?
AX86U CPU: 1.8 Ghz
AX86U Pro CPU: 2.0 Ghz.
AXE7800 CPU: 1.7 Ghz.
AX86U
https://www.asus.com/us/product-c...ers-WiFi-6
AX86U Pro
https://www.asus.com/us/product-c...ers-WiFi-6
One important thing to note about tri band or even dual band is that you're not going to get whatever the total advertised throughput is for 99.9% of your devices.
There are some network cards that can connect to multiple bands and aggregate them, but for most mobile and smart devices, you're only going to be sitting on one band and the maximum throughput for that particular band is the maximum your device can get.
What this does accomplish, however, is that it creates different "lanes" for the traffic from your various devices to run on without bogging each other down.
If you have multiple high throughput devices and no way of connecting them via Ethernet, a multi-band router is going to get you as close as possible to multi-gig speeds on multiple devices without any fancy traffic shaping or needing to watch what you're doing so that it doesn't inconvenience others.
The other benefit to this is that if you have a lot of smart devices, they can all sit on the 2.4Ghz band and not tie up any portion of your 5Ghz/6Ghz bands.
The AX86U is probably suitable for a majority of folks out there. And the fact that it supports the customized Asus Merlin firmware earns it some extra points.
I have more info now but now I'm also torn on the benefits of both.
The new AX would give me merlin (which I've never had and was tempted to finally try) and a bit stronger CPU and more RAM, while the AXE would give me a third band 6E that I don't currently have.
Reading the comments, however, it sounds like both ASUS are going to give me issues with 2.4 band which most of my devices run on. I have a laptop (primary device) and a gaming PC (wife's primary device) that are both wifi 6 capable and a firetv cube that are wireless but most devices in the home are smart speakers, printer, smart light switches, etc.
Are you familiar with how antennas work?
Most WiFi routers come with omnidirectional antennas. Their biggest coverage area is always perpendicular to the direction they're pointed with some signal straying off at angles that usually radiate upward (as most antennas are pointed upward).
If you want a better signal downstairs without spending a dime, your antennas should be pointing down.
Setting up two of these on a mesh network is probably overkill. Luckily, all of the AiMesh capable Asus routers are compatible with each other. You can find most of them for under $200, with some as low as $50.
Ok makes sense, the company router doesn't have external antennas so that makes sense. So on this router should I try mounting it upside down to cover the downstairs? I guess I probably should have had it installed downstairs instead, and then the signal would have been going up and around. It's mexico the entire house is surrounded in metal gates/bars so I wasn't sure what to do. I could pay to have router moved down though.
for the other aimesh routers, will I see a drop in speed if I go with one of the cheaper asus? I'm ok paying for another if it's going to be significantly faster than a $100 Asus aimesh router to add. thanks!
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I had the same issue with being on a 1Gbps plan. They did a free "upgrade" to 1.2Gbps and stopped provisioning my modem correctly. No amount of tech support could figure it out and they wouldn't admit they screwed up.
My speeds shot down to 400Mbps max, so I cancelled and got fiber rather than continue going in circles with them.
You need to call them up, have them check the provisioning, and confirm that the 8210 is still on the "supported" list for the plan you have.
Do a speed test (do NOT use their test or speedtest.net, as they have rigged those with prioritization tricks) by downloading a large file or using speedof.me (they aren't able to rig this one).
If your speeds are still terrible with the tech on the phone and they claim your signal is fine, have them send someone out to check the performance at the tap. Keep in mind the hardware they give the field guys is also somewhat rigged as it can do a lot of things your modem can't and isn't provisioned for any certain speed. It's going to give back maximum potential readings and most of the field guys will just slap the side of it and call it a day while looking cocky.
If your line to the premises is fine, you're back at square one with the modem, but now you have them doing a bunch of finger pointing at the modem being defective.
At this point, you can either try a different modem that they certify is "supported" or force them to downgrade your plan. If you play it right, you might get them to credit you for the difference on the months you've already paid for.
That said, cable isps will only provision a modem for what it can handle, with thought given to what impact it will have with other neighbors on the mode. Over time, as speeds increase and modems age, modems will be dropped from active support. They'll also be limited based on that provisioning file. You can't use an old 16x4 modem and expect gigabit speeds, obviously.
If you're using a modem that Comcast will only provision to 400 mbps, then your options are either to drop your speeds to that package and maybe save some money, or upgrade to a newer modem that can actually handle the package you're on.
Also, your thing about the speed tests is misinformed. The tests aren't rigged in the way you think. Comcast can only "guarantee" your speeds on their network. You aren't guaranteed gigabit speeds to every server anywhere in the solar system. Trying to download a large file from a server in Asia when you live in north Dakota probably won't get you gigabit speeds.
Ooklas speed test tends to pick servers closest to you, including your own isps test servers. My muni fiber isp works the same way, but you can choose other servers on speedtest.net to see what speeds you get to increasingly distant locations.
That said, cable isps will only provision a modem for what it can handle, with thought given to what impact it will have with other neighbors on the mode. Over time, as speeds increase and modems age, modems will be dropped from active support. They'll also be limited based on that provisioning file. You can't use an old 16x4 modem and expect gigabit speeds, obviously.
If you're using a modem that Comcast will only provision to 400 mbps, then your options are either to drop your speeds to that package and maybe save some money, or upgrade to a newer modem that can actually handle the package you're on.
Also, your thing about the speed tests is misinformed. The tests aren't rigged in the way you think. Comcast can only "guarantee" your speeds on their network. You aren't guaranteed gigabit speeds to every server anywhere in the solar system. Trying to download a large file from a server in Asia when you live in north Dakota probably won't get you gigabit speeds.
Ooklas speed test tends to pick servers closest to you, including your own isps test servers. My muni fiber isp works the same way, but you can choose other servers on speedtest.net to see what speeds you get to increasingly distant locations.
No, you're full of it.
I referenced the modem model the other poster provided SIMPLY for context. You could insert any model number and the rest of the information would still be relevant.
The modem I was referring to when getting deprovisioned is DOCSIS 3.1 32x8, which is STILL what encompasses the majority of Comcast's recommended modem list. You're going to tell me a DOCSIS 3.1 modem can't be provisioned to 1Gbps?
You clearly don't know what you're talking about when it comes to ISP provisioning, as all of the "supported" modems they list go into a whitelist and receive a provisioning file that gets sent to the modem whenever it boots. Part of the reason they have a supported list at all is so that they don't have to address every little quirk each modem has with the manufacturer as a firmware update. Anything NOT on this list receives a generic provisioning file in a "best effort" case. Comcast, in their infinite wisdom, simply removed all generic intermediate provisioning for modems they previously supported.
Again, this modem was on their recommended list on their website for years, and then suddenly it wasn't without notice. And they did this with dozens of modems.
It's not like I was paying for a 1Gb plan for 2 years without actually getting 1Gb. It was fine and then it wasn't.
As for speed tests, are you not familiar with traffic shaping? What about QoS? How about former FCC Chairman and supreme dirt bag Ajit Pai?
I'm not going to give you a full history lesson, but the end result of Ajit Pai's reign of terror on the FCC is that telecoms can legally throttle, redirect, or otherwise prioritize internet traffic however they see fit. This is what the whole fight for net neutrality was about.
In the case of speed tests, Comcast can see when you're using an Ookla test and will prioritize this traffic so it looks like your connection is perfect. Obviously they can't overcome physical distance to the server, but that has NOTHING to do with bandwidth — that's entirely about latency. The average consumer has no idea what latency is or what effect it has on them, so that's not the metric they're looking at when they run these tests.
And because net neutrality got killed, it's not just speed tests. They throttle and control prioritization on every single connection you make, which is why you will never have connection issues while using anything related to NBC Universal.
If you don't believe traffic shaping is happening at every single major telecom, I have a bridge to sell you.
for the other aimesh routers, will I see a drop in speed if I go with one of the cheaper asus? I'm ok paying for another if it's going to be significantly faster than a $100 Asus aimesh router to add. thanks!
Yeah, try mounting it up high and upside down. It's something free to try, so there's nothing to lose.
In simpler times, about 15 years ago, it wasn't uncommon to see routers with makeshift beam reflectors on them, like so: https://www.comparitech
As for putting it on the first floor, there's really no hard and fast rule that you have to have the peak of your waveform directed toward the sky. In fact, you might even reflect more of the waveform having it pointed down.
The only consideration with AiMesh is that it does take away some of your bandwidth in order to connect the routers. A faster router will give you more "room" for this, but if you're not currently saturating your connection fully, you already have room to spare.
A good conservative estimate would be to take 75% of whatever the router claims to offer and then divide it in half. That will be a good estimate on what kind of bandwidth you might see throughout your mesh, regardless of floor.
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Yes it is a huge jump from wifi 6 and 6E but its not worth the wait for people who are on a budge but still want the best possible.