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frontpagechunmanc123 posted Aug 07, 2023 04:53 AM

U.S. Treasury: Short Term Treasury Bills (4-Week-52-Week Maturity) Up to

5.50% Interest

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Note: Rates are subject to change daily; rates are the daily secondary market quotations on the most recently auctioned Treasury Bills for each maturity tranche (4-week, 8-week, 13-week, 17-week, 26-week, and 52-week) for which Treasury currently issues new bills. Up to Date Rates can be found here (scroll to bottom of list)

U.S. Government Treasury is offering Up to 5.499% Coupon Rate (Interest Rate) on Short Term Treasury Bills which can be Purchased for a Duration of 4-Weeks-52 Weeks Maturity.

Thanks community member chunmanc123 for sharing this deal

Note, if interested, you may choose to purchase Treasury Bills through your preferred Brokerage Firm

Example Current Rates (8/9/23): (Coupon Rates [Interest Rates] change daily):
  • 13-Week Maturity: 5.451%
  • 26-Week Maturity: 5.499%
  • 52-Week Maturity: 5.351%

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Written by slickdewmaster | Staff
  • About this Offer:
    • Interest paid: When the bill matures
    • Minimum purchase : $100
    • In increments of: $100
    • Maximum purchase: $10 million (non-competitive bid)
    • Auction frequency:
      • Every four weeks for 52-week bills
      • Weekly for 4, 8, 13, 17, 26-week bills
      • No regular schedule for Cash Management Bills
      • See the Auction calendar for specific date
      • More Info
    • Taxes: Federal tax due on interest earned. No state or local taxes
  • Refer to forum thread for discussion from the community regarding this offer. -slickdewmaster

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Written by chunmanc123
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Note: Rates are subject to change daily; rates are the daily secondary market quotations on the most recently auctioned Treasury Bills for each maturity tranche (4-week, 8-week, 13-week, 17-week, 26-week, and 52-week) for which Treasury currently issues new bills. Up to Date Rates can be found here (scroll to bottom of list)

U.S. Government Treasury is offering Up to 5.499% Coupon Rate (Interest Rate) on Short Term Treasury Bills which can be Purchased for a Duration of 4-Weeks-52 Weeks Maturity.

Thanks community member chunmanc123 for sharing this deal

Note, if interested, you may choose to purchase Treasury Bills through your preferred Brokerage Firm

Example Current Rates (8/9/23): (Coupon Rates [Interest Rates] change daily):
  • 13-Week Maturity: 5.451%
  • 26-Week Maturity: 5.499%
  • 52-Week Maturity: 5.351%

Editor's Notes

Written by slickdewmaster | Staff
  • About this Offer:
    • Interest paid: When the bill matures
    • Minimum purchase : $100
    • In increments of: $100
    • Maximum purchase: $10 million (non-competitive bid)
    • Auction frequency:
      • Every four weeks for 52-week bills
      • Weekly for 4, 8, 13, 17, 26-week bills
      • No regular schedule for Cash Management Bills
      • See the Auction calendar for specific date
      • More Info
    • Taxes: Federal tax due on interest earned. No state or local taxes
  • Refer to forum thread for discussion from the community regarding this offer. -slickdewmaster

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OliveFlag247
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To clarify...

Treasury BILLS are currently paying over 5% for various maturity lengths under 1 year. These can be bought through most brokerages even without a TreasuryDirect account.

Treasury BONDS are paying 4% or less and have 20 or 30 year terms.
if200
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Have learned so much on this site so am trying to return the favor with what I've learned that I don't see anyone else talking about.

The 4 week bill ordering opens tomorrow 8/8, the deadline to buy it is sometime Thursday 8/10 morning depending on where you are buying it and it settles on 8/15.

On TD Ameritrade, they take your money on the 10th (take it out of the money you can trade with when you hit purchase which can be as early as the 8th) and buy the bill on the 15th during time which you earn no interest. Thus the reason that I stopped buying 4 and 8 week bills at auction. Secondary markets settle the next day so often a better deal. Treasury direct does not take the money from your bank account till the day it settles and Vanguard keeps it in the settlement fund earning interest till the day it settles as well. Not sure about the other brokerage houses. Also, not sure if you rollover the t-bills how the time between redemption and the next auction works as far as any interest you are losing as that is often a week of interest as well.

FYI, if you do the math, 4 weeks for $10,000 usually gets you about $40 in interest for letting them hold your money for 5 weeks.

The Monday auctions for 3 months and six months settle on Thursday so much less time to hold your money for nothing and less redemption downtime.

The money market funds often have repurchase agreements that are taxed at the state and local level but obviously more liquid. Am looking into the ETFs now.

Good luck to everyone!
oonchie
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I'd recommend searching for diamondnestegg on youtube. She has a bunch of very useful videos on how to purchase and where explaining step by step on how to do it.

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Oct 09, 2023 09:20 PM
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02nzOct 09, 2023 09:20 PM
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Quote from poohbie :
Which means some of what would normally be a dividend payout becomes "capital gains" from selling it at a different price than it was purchased. Come tax time, not sure how that will be treated - i.e. how you'd go about having a capital gain or loss from SGOV ETF sale increase/decrease your state taxable income. Any tax DIYers know?
Gains are not taxable until you sell. And when you do, the most you'd have in capital gains would be the equivalent of a month's worth of interest, e.g., if you bought on the 1st of the month (and thus just "missed out" on the monthly distribution); after that you're getting the interest via monthly distributions.
Last edited by 02nz October 9, 2023 at 03:23 PM.
Oct 09, 2023 11:04 PM
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labboyproOct 09, 2023 11:04 PM
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Quote from 02nz :
Gains are not taxable until you sell.
Dividends are taxable in the year they are earned.

https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edga...0withdrawn.
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02nzOct 09, 2023 11:19 PM
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Quote from labboypro :
Dividends are taxable in the year they are earned.

https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edga...0withdrawn [sec.gov].
Correct. But the person I quoted was asking about something else - "capital gains from selling it at a difference price than it was purchased." Those gains are not taxable until you sell.
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Oct 09, 2023 11:33 PM
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labboyproOct 09, 2023 11:33 PM
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Quote from 02nz :
Correct. But the person I quoted was asking about something else - "capital gains from selling it at a difference price than it was purchased." Those gains are not taxable until you sell.
That's not really what they appear to have been asking, but their question seemed to conflate dividend earnings with net proceeds from sale, and my response above simply stated general tax treatment of the other "half" of their question (to compliment the first "half" that you answered).

Quote from poohbie :
Which means some of what would normally be a dividend payout becomes "capital gains" from selling it at a different price than it was purchased. Come tax time, not sure how that will be treated - i.e. how you'd go about having a capital gain or loss from SGOV ETF sale increase/decrease your state taxable income. Any tax DIYers know?
And finally, people should get their tax advice from tax professionals, not you and me.
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AJDeminehOct 10, 2023 12:00 AM
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Quote from rhaxter :
Except you are paying state income tax on those proceeds. Depends on the amount of the investment to determine if it is worth it. But I disagree it is a hassle. Once you set up your t bill ladder, it's basically set it and forget it (until market conditions change) with the auto investment.
You have that backwards. I bonds are exempt from state tax, you pay federal.
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st_groupOct 10, 2023 01:23 AM
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Where can I find information on "at what time" the auction closes on the day of auction ? For eg the auction day for 10 year bonds is Oct 11th, but at what time? 12:00 AM midnight of Oct 11th? or 12:00 AM of midnight 10th? Or some other time in between
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mrredskinOct 11, 2023 02:23 PM
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only seeing up to 2.75% on fidelity now?

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SlickPatOct 11, 2023 08:40 PM
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Just bought T-bill 13 weeks interest came to 5.49%. Thanks OP!
Last edited by SlickPat October 11, 2023 at 03:04 PM.
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hysteriasOct 11, 2023 08:42 PM
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Quote from SlickPat :
So I tried buying $20k worth of T-bills 13 weeks. The amount taken out of my account is $19730.03
How do I determine the interest I am getting. Any calculator I can just input the information to determine the interest I am getting? Thank you!
Just look up the investment rate on treasury direct using your cusip.
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hysteriasOct 11, 2023 08:44 PM
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Quote from mrredskin :
only seeing up to 2.75% on fidelity now?
Not sure where you're looking, but I see 3 new issues right now at 5.398, 5.418, 4.698.
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1jzgteOct 11, 2023 08:47 PM
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Quote from SlickPat :
So I tried buying $20k worth of T-bills 13 weeks. The amount taken out of my account is $19730.03
How do I determine the interest I am getting. Any calculator I can just input the information to determine the interest I am getting? Thank you!
20,000 - 19,730.03 = 269.91 is what you just made in interest

upon maturity date you will receive 20,000 back into your account. Final yield is 20,269.91
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labboyproOct 11, 2023 08:48 PM
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Quote from SlickPat :
So I tried buying $20k worth of T-bills 13 weeks. The amount taken out of my account is $19730.03
How do I determine the interest I am getting. Any calculator I can just input the information to determine the interest I am getting? Thank you!
Yee, use your computer or phone calculator. Enter $20,000. Subtract $19730.03. Press the equal sign button.
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cccheelOct 11, 2023 08:54 PM
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Quote from labboypro :
Yee, use your computer or phone calculator. Enter $20,000. Subtract $19730.03. Press the equal sign button.
LMAOLMAOLMAOLMAOLMAO
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if200Oct 11, 2023 11:08 PM
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Quote from 1jzgte :
20,000 - 19,730.03 = 269.91 is what you just made in interest

upon maturity date you will receive 20,000 back into your account. Final yield is 20,269.91
Not a final yield of 20,269.91. It's a 269.91 return on 19,730.03. You get 20,000 at maturity and the interest of 269.91 is calculated using the 19,730.03 number.
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Oct 12, 2023 12:46 AM
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SlickPatOct 12, 2023 12:46 AM
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I figured out the interest rate. Have to reverse the calculation compared to bank CD interest. Smilie
Happy with my purchase. Will let it it auto roll till the rate of return is not good.

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