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frontpage Posted by chunmanc123 • Aug 7, 2023

U.S. Treasury: Short Term Treasury Bills (4-Week-52-Week Maturity) Up to

5.50% Interest

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Note: Rates are subject to change daily; rates are the daily secondary market quotations on the most recently auctioned Treasury Bills for each maturity tranche (4-week, 8-week, 13-week, 17-week, 26-week, and 52-week) for which Treasury currently issues new bills. Up to Date Rates can be found here (scroll to bottom of list)

U.S. Government Treasury is offering Up to 5.499% Coupon Rate (Interest Rate) on Short Term Treasury Bills which can be Purchased for a Duration of 4-Weeks-52 Weeks Maturity.

Thanks community member chunmanc123 for sharing this deal

Note, if interested, you may choose to purchase Treasury Bills through your preferred Brokerage Firm

Example Current Rates (8/9/23): (Coupon Rates [Interest Rates] change daily):
  • 13-Week Maturity: 5.451%
  • 26-Week Maturity: 5.499%
  • 52-Week Maturity: 5.351%

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Written by slickdewmaster | Staff
  • About this Offer:
    • Interest paid: When the bill matures
    • Minimum purchase : $100
    • In increments of: $100
    • Maximum purchase: $10 million (non-competitive bid)
    • Auction frequency:
      • Every four weeks for 52-week bills
      • Weekly for 4, 8, 13, 17, 26-week bills
      • No regular schedule for Cash Management Bills
      • See the Auction calendar for specific date
      • More Info
    • Taxes: Federal tax due on interest earned. No state or local taxes
  • Refer to forum thread for discussion from the community regarding this offer. -slickdewmaster

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Written by chunmanc123
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Note: Rates are subject to change daily; rates are the daily secondary market quotations on the most recently auctioned Treasury Bills for each maturity tranche (4-week, 8-week, 13-week, 17-week, 26-week, and 52-week) for which Treasury currently issues new bills. Up to Date Rates can be found here (scroll to bottom of list)

U.S. Government Treasury is offering Up to 5.499% Coupon Rate (Interest Rate) on Short Term Treasury Bills which can be Purchased for a Duration of 4-Weeks-52 Weeks Maturity.

Thanks community member chunmanc123 for sharing this deal

Note, if interested, you may choose to purchase Treasury Bills through your preferred Brokerage Firm

Example Current Rates (8/9/23): (Coupon Rates [Interest Rates] change daily):
  • 13-Week Maturity: 5.451%
  • 26-Week Maturity: 5.499%
  • 52-Week Maturity: 5.351%

Editor's Notes

Written by slickdewmaster | Staff
  • About this Offer:
    • Interest paid: When the bill matures
    • Minimum purchase : $100
    • In increments of: $100
    • Maximum purchase: $10 million (non-competitive bid)
    • Auction frequency:
      • Every four weeks for 52-week bills
      • Weekly for 4, 8, 13, 17, 26-week bills
      • No regular schedule for Cash Management Bills
      • See the Auction calendar for specific date
      • More Info
    • Taxes: Federal tax due on interest earned. No state or local taxes
  • Refer to forum thread for discussion from the community regarding this offer. -slickdewmaster

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OliveFlag247
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To clarify...

Treasury BILLS are currently paying over 5% for various maturity lengths under 1 year. These can be bought through most brokerages even without a TreasuryDirect account.

Treasury BONDS are paying 4% or less and have 20 or 30 year terms.
if200
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Have learned so much on this site so am trying to return the favor with what I've learned that I don't see anyone else talking about.

The 4 week bill ordering opens tomorrow 8/8, the deadline to buy it is sometime Thursday 8/10 morning depending on where you are buying it and it settles on 8/15.

On TD Ameritrade, they take your money on the 10th (take it out of the money you can trade with when you hit purchase which can be as early as the 8th) and buy the bill on the 15th during time which you earn no interest. Thus the reason that I stopped buying 4 and 8 week bills at auction. Secondary markets settle the next day so often a better deal. Treasury direct does not take the money from your bank account till the day it settles and Vanguard keeps it in the settlement fund earning interest till the day it settles as well. Not sure about the other brokerage houses. Also, not sure if you rollover the t-bills how the time between redemption and the next auction works as far as any interest you are losing as that is often a week of interest as well.

FYI, if you do the math, 4 weeks for $10,000 usually gets you about $40 in interest for letting them hold your money for 5 weeks.

The Monday auctions for 3 months and six months settle on Thursday so much less time to hold your money for nothing and less redemption downtime.

The money market funds often have repurchase agreements that are taxed at the state and local level but obviously more liquid. Am looking into the ETFs now.

Good luck to everyone!
if200
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If Fidelity goes bust you still own the T-Bills and the government will pay you or whatever brokerage house the T-Bills are transferred to in your name. There is also SIPC insurance which covers you for fraud in case Fidelity didn't actually buy it for you and ran away with the money. Technically the limit you are covered for is $500,000 but all the brokerages have excess insurance which is for a very large amount. Usually over $50 million per person. You can check with each of the brokerages to see what they cover though the people who answer the phone don't often know about this as they are just reading from a script.

FYI, to the person who asked about the 100,000 for three months. If you did the 13 week auction today you would get $1338 in interest at the end of the three months. Prorated per annum as per the person who posted above stated
Technically, you would pay $98,662 for the bonds and get $100,000 on November 9th. The difference between what you pay now and what the bonds are redeemed for in November is considered the interest.

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Quote from E4300 :
You can capture the free day of interest if you don't auto enroll. Let's say the
$1000 t bill matures today. The $1000 shows up in your account yesterday. You set up in advance the purchase of $1000 today. About $995 will be deducted from your account on Thursday.
Agree on the "bonus capture" idea, but my T-bill transactions (buy and sell) hit morning of, 'buy' first. I have monthly ladder that I manually reinvest. They have landed same day, 'buy' first for years.

Note: 'buy' first appears to be my bank's bad behavior, in an attempt to generate overdrafts (Ally). Of course, I keep enough on account to cover the momentary dip when the withdrawal to TD hits before their deposit.
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Quote from BluegrassPicker :
If the account is in the name of a trust with five or less unique named beneficiaries, the FDIC insures the account up to 250k for each individual to a maximum of $1,250,000 total. I'm no big boy like Bezos or Gates, but that works for me since all of my accounts are in the name of my trust.
If the bank goes down, then there will be a period of time where your $ will not earn interest. FDIC was created to provide the illusion of a safe bank. You hope that the bank will not gamble with your money. Why take this risk when you can buy directly from US government that has the power to create currency?
How many bank went up in smoke last year? When was the last time the US government defaulted?
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Quote from VioletNose8197 :
Nope! US government does not have power to create money.!
Federal reserve manages the money , it is independent from government
Those same bankers who claimed transitory inflation and the need for 0 rate for a decade? No wonder this country is a mess due to clueless voters.
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Quote from labboypro :
Agree on the "bonus capture" idea, but my T-bill transactions (buy and sell) hit morning of, 'buy' first. I have monthly ladder that I manually reinvest. They have landed same day, 'buy' first for years.

Note: 'buy' first appears to be my bank's bad behavior, in an attempt to generate overdrafts (Ally). Of course, I keep enough on account to cover the momentary dip when the withdrawal to TD hits before their deposit.
I use fidelity. The money from treasury direct always show up prior to the closing bells. After midnight, treasury direct pulls money from my fdlxx account at fidelity.
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Quote from E4300 :
Those same bankers who claimed transitory inflation and the need for 0 rate for a decade? No wonder this country is a mess due to clueless voters.
There is no hope.
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Quote from VioletNose8197 :
Your comment is contrary to the facts. The US government could go bankrupt at any time. The government just cannot keep printing money or coins. It would crash at some point, sooner or later.
Nothing is forever. But bk is not in the card for the US government in the next 50 years. Other countries are in no better shape.
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Quote from noeffort :
There is no hope.
$20/hour to flip burgers in ca. $5.30/gal gas and mandate to pay 4-7x more for renewable energy. Billions of student loan forgiveness every few months. But the fed always manage to cook the books to hit 2% inflation. Meanwhile, voters are preoccupied with abortion, immigration, etc.

Most Californians don't know that in July, the power companies CAN impose a monthly tax of $130 for households that make $180K/ year. Those who make as little as $30K will also have to pony up more $ to pay for this power tax. AB250 was signed by Newsome and approved by those in Sacramento.
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Quote from E4300 :
You can capture the free day of interest if you don't auto enroll. Let's say the
$1000 t bill matures today. The $1000 shows up in your account yesterday. You set up in advance the purchase of $1000 today. About $995 will be deducted from your account on Thursday.
The $1000 never shows up in my funding bank account according to the online account history. Only the interest earned shows up as a deposit. My goal is to automatically purchase a new 4 week TBill upon the maturity of the previous bill with the inclusion of the interest earned on the previous bill thus compounding interest. The only way that I can see to do that is by manually logging onto TD and purchasing a new TBill with the interest earned from the recently matured old TBill, and rinse and repeat manually at each maturity. Is there a way to automatically - not manually - compound interest with TD?
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This thread should be wasted, so much off topic trash just clogged it all up for anyone else trying to figure out what is going on. Plus this was created last year.
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Quote from BluegrassPicker :
Is there a way to automatically - not manually - compound interest with TD?
Nope. But this is a triviality that can be 'solved' in many ways, including laddering monthly $100 purchases* for the year to 'cover' the compounding effect you deem critical.


* $100 is minimum purchase, so may be more than you want, but if you sink $50k into a renewing purchase, the $100/month additional purchases will effectively be a compounding because you're just shipping back the yield payment they send you monthly on the big note.
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Quote from kcdealer99 :
The US government will not go bankrupt...


The term "bankrupt" loses meaning when dealing with American dollars, the world's reserve currency. There is no higher, greater lender to turn to, no larger society to take pity and offer relief. The coming trouble is a reality adjustment, a penalty on the people for employing an irresponsible, chronically overspending government.

History has shown that when governments become insolvent, they either collapse (which is unlikely in our case) or hyperinflate their way out of the mess by printing money. Of course, the creation of more currency (that you touted) makes all existing money less valuable. Current dollars could end up being worth less than a dime, or even less than a penny. This will lead to 'new dollars' being issued, as has been done in other countries (new pesos, etc.).

Current projections for this fiscal year's interest payments are $1 T+, which is understandable in light of last year's $659 B, 2022's $476 B and $352 B in 2021. See the trend? The debt service is growing exponentially.

Meanwhile, US revenues are projected to be $4.74 T, up only 7%.

The key indicator to watch is not the GDP, as promoted by government leaders, but the cost of the debt service as a percentage of income.

Other governments worldwide have crashed when that figure approached 50%, Last year, ours was 14.8% (659/4440). This year, we're headed for 21% (1000/4740) conservatively, some estimates land at 22% or more.

It's easy to see that if current trends continue, the wave of darkness is only a few years away.
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Interesting. So to clarify, if I buy my T-Bills using a Fidelity account and Fidelity goes bust before the maturity date, how do I get my money back? Thanks
If Fidelity went bust, so would our economy. They manage over $10T in assets.
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Sorry didn't have time to read through every page. Let's say I buy at Fidelity, What happens when the TBill matures? Does it then go to cash account or automatically renews ? How much do I have to be hands on or can I leave it and forget it for awhile? (I'm too busy or lazy)
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Quote from muddyduck :
Sorry didn't have time to read through every page. Let's say I buy at Fidelity, What happens when the TBill matures? Does it then go to cash account or automatically renews ? How much do I have to be hands on or can I leave it and forget it for awhile? (I'm too busy or lazy)
Minimum purchase at Fidelity is $1000. Treasury will accept $100 bid. If you auto renew, then the interest amount will show up in the core account on the day of purchase. For example...buy $1000 today. $5 will show up in the core account. $995 will go toward the purchase of the T bill.

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Quote from Aslander :
If Fidelity went bust, so would our economy. They manage over $10T in assets.
When people buy a bank CD, they are loaning the bank $ with the promise that the bank will pay them interest at X.XX%. The bank can loan this $ to another business for higher interest. If the business goes poof, then the bank is stuck with this bad loan.

When one buys treasury or money market at Fidelity, the $ goes to the US treasury or is pooled into a money market fund like FDLXX, which invest 98% of this money in US treasury. Fidelity is not in a money loaning business. Therefore, the risk of BK is next to zero.

If you bought a stock at Fidelity, and the stock goes poof, then you lost all your $.

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