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I have this account, started a few months ago. Only drawback I've found is that if/when they increase the interest rate on their accounts, you have to manually request an increase each time. I started at 5.03%, now requested an increase to 5.25%. I messaged them in the app at 4:53pm, they responded and updated my rate at 5:03pm (exactly 10 min). I'm ok doing a couple minutes worth of work a couple/few times a year to maintain the highest percentage. Works exactly as promised otherwise, great rates.
As per their website FAQ...
The dollar limits at funding are:
Maximum to transfer in: $250,000.00
The dollar limits after your account is funded are:
Maximum per day in or out $30,000.00
Maximum per month $60,000.00
You may not make funds transfers in excess of limits described on the External Bank Transfer service.
We reserve the right to change from time to time the dollar amount of funds transfers you are permitted to make using our service.
I had the same experience today. Happened to check my account and found that my 5.09% rate had been downgraded to 4.5%. I spoke to CS on the phone and they raised my rate to 5.25%. I asked what the deal was with lowering my interest rate when rates are rising -- including the rates they offer new customers. He said that I just have to check my account every week or so to see if they do it again!
So basically, this is a great account for folks willing to call them on their BS. Apparently enough customers don't do that to make it worthwhile for them to play games like this.
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Thanks for the tip! I messaged them and asked to upgrade my account to the latest rates and it was no problem. They said upgrades are always available when new rates come out.
I wound up with 4 accounts with UFB, they kept coming out with new account names with higher rates so I opened the new account and transferred most of the money from the old one to the new one.
Finally I messaged them and asked why they kept doing this, it was annoying. Got a reply next day, he said he upgraded all my accounts to the new higher rate. Now I just message them and they upgrade my rate in-place. So now I have 3 accounts with $0.00 and one with $everything.
Do they have electronic ACH now? My friend said they didn't and had to write a check which he didn't want to deal with. If they have electronic ACH, I'll sign up, my Wealthfront is giving me 4.8% but I'll def take the 5.25% if I can.
I signed up and was hesitant because of the bad reviews but it has been working great for me. I did have my rate dropped and had to do a quick chat to get it increased.
I have chase private client (free wires - can maintain status by keeping $100k in treasury bills with chase), same/next day e-deposit availability.
I ordered checks for the account from walmart.
So if I get a check I want to earn interest on ASAP, I will e-deposit it in chase and wire the funds to UFB. I then setup all my expenses to come out of UFB. And I write all my checks out of UFB.
If I need to withdraw funds ASAP, I just write a check to myself and e-deposit it at chase - ideally on a thurs/fri so I earn interest over the weekend. Also, I did a few withdrawals for 50k via check before I even realized they have a 30k/day policy and no issues. I think this limit only applies for transfers initiated from UFB
Isn't there a monthly transaction limit, since this is a saving acc (typical 6 transaction/mo)?
And just to confirm, the check book you made from Walmart was for UFB's High yield savings acc?
Thanks
Do they have electronic ACH now? My friend said they didn't and had to write a check which he didn't want to deal with. If they have electronic ACH, I'll sign up, my Wealthfront is giving me 4.8% but I'll def take the 5.25% if I can.
They have it. I've easily transfered money between my linked accounts.
Isn't there a monthly transaction limit, since this is a saving acc (typical 6 transaction/mo)?
And just to confirm, the check book you made from Walmart was for UFB's High yield savings acc?
Thanks
There is no transaction limit. That rule was suspend by the feds during covid. Many banks still enforce it because it benefits them greatly to pay 0% on "checking".
My account type is "UFB High Yield Money Market" I purchased checks from walmart for and it works fine.
Totally agree. Just closed my account for that reason. Shouldn't have to continually monitor a savings account to see if I have to call and transfer to a different account with higher interest rate. Went with Raisin...and could not be happier.
That's the entire point of it. Unless it's illegal, they will bend the rules and not notify or upgrade rates just because the feds upped the rates. They will maximize their earning while minimizing their cost which is just business 101.
Do you buy them through Treasury Direct? I find the whole process of using that site very tedious. Not only does the reinvestment option only repurchase the original note and amount (instead of also reinvesting interest), but theres a ~2 yr limit on the duration of the automatic renewal, which is probably easy to forget about. This is all on top of using a government website, which has its expected quirks.
Is there a better way? Probably worth the 0.14% expense ratio on a T-bill-tracking ETF, right? Anything else I'm missing?
If you have a brokerage account, try using that to buy Treasury Bills. I've used both Fidelity and Schwab to buy T-bills and it's pretty easy. There is no added cost for any of the purchases that I've done so far. I find them easier to use than Treasury Direct. Just logging into Treasury Direct is a big hassle.
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The dollar limits at funding are:
Maximum to transfer in: $250,000.00
The dollar limits after your account is funded are:
Maximum per day in or out $30,000.00
Maximum per month $60,000.00
You may not make funds transfers in excess of limits described on the External Bank Transfer service.
We reserve the right to change from time to time the dollar amount of funds transfers you are permitted to make using our service.
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So basically, this is a great account for folks willing to call them on their BS. Apparently enough customers don't do that to make it worthwhile for them to play games like this.
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Finally I messaged them and asked why they kept doing this, it was annoying. Got a reply next day, he said he upgraded all my accounts to the new higher rate. Now I just message them and they upgrade my rate in-place. So now I have 3 accounts with $0.00 and one with $everything.
I've been with them for about 6 months,
I have chase private client (free wires - can maintain status by keeping $100k in treasury bills with chase), same/next day e-deposit availability.
I ordered checks for the account from walmart.
So if I get a check I want to earn interest on ASAP, I will e-deposit it in chase and wire the funds to UFB. I then setup all my expenses to come out of UFB. And I write all my checks out of UFB.
If I need to withdraw funds ASAP, I just write a check to myself and e-deposit it at chase - ideally on a thurs/fri so I earn interest over the weekend. Also, I did a few withdrawals for 50k via check before I even realized they have a 30k/day policy and no issues. I think this limit only applies for transfers initiated from UFB
And just to confirm, the check book you made from Walmart was for UFB's High yield savings acc?
Thanks
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And just to confirm, the check book you made from Walmart was for UFB's High yield savings acc?
Thanks
My account type is "UFB High Yield Money Market" I purchased checks from walmart for and it works fine.
I've been with them for about 6 months,
Milli Bank is not FDIC insured, even thought they claim they are on their website. Check the FDIC website, not their website.
edit: looking further, they are insured but using a different bank name.
That's the entire point of it. Unless it's illegal, they will bend the rules and not notify or upgrade rates just because the feds upped the rates. They will maximize their earning while minimizing their cost which is just business 101.
Is there a better way? Probably worth the 0.14% expense ratio on a T-bill-tracking ETF, right? Anything else I'm missing?
edit: looking further, they are insured but using a different bank name.
Milli is an online banking division of First National Bank of Omaha (FNBO) [milli.bank]
First National Bank of Omaha is FDIC Insured [fdic.gov]
What's the tax advantage?
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Milli is an online banking division of First National Bank of Omaha (FNBO) [milli.bank]
First National Bank of Omaha is FDIC Insured [fdic.gov]