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Tesla Model Y
Dual Motor
All-Wheel Drive
Range: 330mi
Top Speed: 135 mph
0-60 mph: 4.8 seconds
Qualify for $7500 Federal Tax Credit with below income cap:
Adjusted Gross Income Limitations
$300,000 for married couples filing jointly
$225,000 for heads of households
$150,000 for all other filers
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Nothing is 100%.
Heck anyone remember when TONS of Toyota engines were dying due to the oil sludge problem they kept trying to blame on customers until forced to fix them out of warranty via class action lawsuit covering 2.5 million cars?
But we've got aggregate data over very large #s of vehicles, over many years, and all of that tells us all of those failures are usually rare exceptions.
it'd be like using your RC model ICE to guess how long a real car makers ICE vehicle will last-- it's apples and photographs of apples.
Dude. We HAVE a decade of data. The first Model S cars were sold in 2012.
At 200,000 miles the fleet is still retaining 88% of original charge on average.
Just stated battery can have issues after it's aged.
Sure. There's some cases of Toyota engines failing that way too. Or Honda ones. Or anything.
Nothing is 100%.
Heck anyone remember when TONS of Toyota engines were dying due to the oil sludge problem they kept trying to blame on customers until forced to fix them out of warranty via class action lawsuit?
But we've got aggregate data over very large #s of vehicles, over many years, and all of that tells us all of those failures are usually rare exceptions.
You really can't compare to cell phones- which have no active cooling at all, and relatively primative battery management systems.
it'd be like using your RC model ICE to guess how long a real car makers ICE vehicle will last-- it's apples and photographs of apples.
Dude. We HAVE a decade of data. The first Model S cars were sold in 2012.
At 200,000 miles the fleet is still retaining 88% of original charge on average.
We have about 10- 15 years data if we include Leaf and roadster but Roadster I don't think was in market....
And didn't mean to compare to ICE car any means.
With a Tesla, there are no recommended services for the first 2 years.
Not being able to buy a Tesla in Connecticut is because your state won't allow Tesla to sell there because Tesla does not use a middleman (dealership) to sell cars.
ID4 is cheaper and sells less volume than Model Y for a reason. Test drive both cars and you will see how ID4 underperforms and their infotainment system really sucks. Go to YouTube and can find many videos complaining about ID4 ownership.
I stood in line in 2016 to pre-order Model 3. Got delivery in 2018. Loved it so much and bought Model Y in 2022. Now, waiting for my Cybertruck (I don't even like a truck in general).
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Used to be you test drive you will get $500 off
But I had referral from my friend....
You can request test drive appointment. I think you will get 30 minutes to test drive it..
Just stated battery can have issues after it's aged.
Time stopping to charge: 30 minutes. Time equals money. So you lose precious time of your life. What is that worth? In Palm Desert I sat for 45 minutes just to get to a spot to charge in June with my Hertz rental. Then 20 minutes to charge. This was just so I could get back home.
Then when turning the car back in, had to wait for a spot to charge, then 10 more minutes to charge.
Gas zero stops on my trip until destination and 5 minute fill up to return.
Time is money. Time you don't get back in life.
After a few years government will tax EVs for every mile driven since they will begin losing too much gas tax. So fuel savings may evaporate.
Live in an apartment with 4 people and 2 cars. Where do you plug in?
Current CAa building code required 2 EV chargers for every 25 spaces. Good luck.
Drive on freeway and use the AC, expect to lose 25% range.
Leave car for a few weeks to go on vacation, check in it in apps and lose range
Tires wear out 25% faster casting more road debris. Not as good as the clean air though to be fair.
Parking garages need retrofits of more than 20% EV mix due to weight.
Faster road deterioration.
Constant plugging in and out. Ugh.
Toyota Corolla hybrid $24k. Save over 18k.
Over ,600 mile range
Gas savings over first few years for EV is maybe $500 or so for average driver. Maybe $1k.
Oil changes etc maybe $2k???
My 2002 Civic total cost on all receipts is $2.4k over all those years.
I want an EV, but not until they have more range and can charge more easily.
No way CA will be ending ICE in a few years. Not feasible yet.
Gas savings will end. Trust me. Government always will get their tax money they need for all their pet projects.
All this said, they are eager for the occupants, but not for who they hit.
Be careful with tax credit. It's not refundable. Need to make about $110k or so as married couple with no other deductions to get it all.
I'd love you to explain how 11 years of real-world data, over 200,000 miles, is not enough to judge how well the battery does give that's significantly longer than most people own a new car for.
Especially when that's the oldest, least endurant, battery tech Tesla ever mass produced, and nearly all their vehicles in the last 5-6 years ought to last significantly longer than even those due to advances in design, chemistry, cooling, and management.
Doubly so with LFPs which we've got tons of real world and lab evidence are good for 2-3x the number of cycles are NMC batteries.
We have about 10- 15 years data if we include Leaf and roadster but Roadster I don't think was in market....
...what market?
And why would you include the Leaf, which is a completely different company, completely different battery, different cooling, different BMS, etc.
In an EV you don't experience those. I can have my heat for comfort and not having to worry about dying from being cold if I'm stuck. I can just go without having my car/engine to warm up. I don't have to worry about not starting if it gets extremely cold.
I only experience range loss 4 months out of the year so it's not a big deal. I rarely drive more than 150 miles in the winter in a single go. Even if I did I have access to superchargers. If I choose between refueling my car I'd rather be inside my car than to stay outside in the cold pumping gas. Even this is rare, maybe less than 5 times a year on road trips.
Most EV drivers have driven both types of cars (gas and electric). Most will tell you once you drive electric you won't go back to a gas vehicle.
I'm not knocking people who buy them. It's a necessary growing pain, if EVs are ever going to be practical - and that's not guaranteed. But I won't play along with the mindset that it's a practical decision. It's not. The smart move is a hybrid from Toyota - you get the benefits of Toyota quality, some of the benefits of EV in terms of mileage boost and pure electric on short trips, yet without being tied to charging networks.
Time stopping to charge: 30 minutes. Time equals money. So you lose precious time of your life.
In normal use you stop for 5-10 minutes 1-2 times a week to put gas in.
With an EV you stop like that for 0 minutes and just plug in at home and it's ready to go every morning.
That means ICE cars waste far more time all year
Now, when you take a road trip over a couple hundred miles you will need to stop and charge. But again not 30 minutes unless you don't understand how an EV works.
You want to charge for 10-15 minutes, which will put 150-180 miles of range back on the car. then get back on the road.
In an LR Tesla that gets you ~500 miles down the road with the single stop--- nearer 650 miles with a second 10-15 minute stop.
Which you'd do ANYWAY in a gas car unless you're bringing a Gatorade bottle to pee in and never stopping for food or drinks.
Plus, again, all the time you saved the OTHER 50 weeks of the year NOT on a road trip not ever having to stop at a gas station.
Not a Tesla I guess?
Again though over the course of a year you'd have saved far far far more than 45 minutes not stopping at gas stations week to week either way.
I agree for the minority living in dense apartment situations there's work yet to do.
But as EV adoption grows landlords will be installing lots of chargers anyway as it'll start to become a competitive disadvantage not to.
The Model 3 starts at 3862 pounds.
Spoiler: that's not 20% more.
The new regulation will require 35% of new-car sales to be zero-emission vehicles (ZEVs) in 2026 (it's already north of 25% of new car sales in CA FYI) and 68% in 2030 before reaching 100% five years later with a total ban in 2035.
One is much bigger than the other, and it ain't the tax.
married filing jointly hits $7500 in liability at 66,150 in gross income with no deductions.
You can confirm that here:
https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-dft/i1040tt--dft.pdf
Even if you DO add the standard deduction that's only $93,850--- almost 20k less than you claimed.
Second-- Funny story. As of Jan 1 2024 it is refundable in practice.
It becomes point of sale at the dealer- and if you later turn out not to have $7500 in tax liability the IRS will not seek to claw it back.
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I owned one myself.. I just stated the facts. Battery still with a lot improvements to come, solid state or more investment to getting better.
Where did i said Model 3 is not good?
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