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Tesla Model Y
Dual Motor
All-Wheel Drive
Range: 330mi
Top Speed: 135 mph
0-60 mph: 4.8 seconds
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Adjusted Gross Income Limitations
$300,000 for married couples filing jointly
$225,000 for heads of households
$150,000 for all other filers
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So again you're making up an argument that's nonsensical and outright false.
(on top of that, if you mean a 240v charger, you're STILL factually wrong as there's nothing about being "detached" that is a requirement to do THAT either-- and I listed at least 2 OTHER ways NON owners can charge at 240 without installing anything but a switch on an existing plug- but again YOU are the one who is inventing the "must have 240" argument in the first place)
Unable to deal with the ACTUAL things I've said you just keep making up new ones I never did.
Again unable to present a cogent argument you only have things you made up, and personal attacks.
I mean, I'm sure I didn't say that at all
In fact I literally said the opposite of that
I'm starting you think a lot of your insults are simply projection.
Except, of course, they factually do not.
You can charge 3-6 MPH depending if you have a 15 or 20 amp 120v socket.
Which would take roughly 6-12 hours to charge the average miles an american drives a day.
And said average american spend more hours at home than that\
Thus by the COMPLEX POWER OF BASIC MATH, 120v is sufficient for charging for their average daily use.
Like I've explained to you 10 times now.
You spelled factual wrong
(In fact even if you MEANT to use a different word, you spelled THAT wrong too)
No, it's a reply to YOU inventing this idea I ever said ANYTHING about only charging for 8 hours.
You made that up and my reply was to point out people are home more than that number you made up
Which they are.
Objection- facts not in evidence
Yes. Because they are
They're home MORE than that in fact.
Even PRE covid people averaged 50 percent of waking hours at home.
Post covid it's HIGHER.
Except, no, you're not sitting in your car.
Teslas can pull into a spot without you needing to be in the car
The fact you don't know this-- and STILL don't after having been told 3 times now is the best evidence yet you were never researching or considering buying a Tesla as you claimed.
It's not even that you're so obviously trolling here- it's that you're so bad at it.
If I had to park in somewhere so tight I couldn't open the door when parked?
I get out FIRST. Then close the door.
Then pull out my phone and direct the car to pull into the spot and park.
Done.
Reverse of same to get back in and leave.
Again Teslas have been able to do this since 2016
You were never actually looking into understanding or buying one my dude. Thanks for making it clear.
Wrong AGAIN
Unlike you, I keep having sources proving my facts.
https://flowingdata.com/2021/09/0...from-home/ [flowingdata.com]
So this is WAKING hours. The 8 hours you sleep is in addition to that. So FAR more than the 6-12.33 hours you'd need to get back the 37 miles of range an american drives on average each day.
You know- like I originally told you
Which it is.
Which it is.
You then strawmanned that into "the entire ownership cost is cheaper for everyone in all cases"
Again you're not even very good at this. Quoting my ACTUAL words to make it clear you're then inventing stuff not in them.
Yes- HOME CHARGING is all that.
You then INVENTED A DIFFERENT claim I never made about the ENTIRE cost of every aspect of ownership and insisting I said it applied to everyone regardless of home charging. None of that actually happened though.
All over. It's the majority of your posts, and I've pointed it out over and over.
The whole "charge for 8 hours" thing you invented
Then I replied pointing out most people are home MORE than those 8 hours. Which they are. More than 12 on average in fact.
Which is just one example, you made lots more, some of which are also called out right in this very post.
naah, the problem is you can't keep what I actually said straight and keep inventing new things I never did.
But let's go with why I made the owner-occupied single-detached home. Well, because as I've mentioned (which clear still hasn't enter that skull of yours), forget about fast chargers or 240V, in the case of an apartment, a condo, a co-op, many brownstones, rowhouses, townhouses, etc, forget about fast charger or 240V, you won't even have an 120V outlet. You won't have a meter. You won't have a wiring. And if there's an outlet, no way the building let you charge without the meter. To that you've provided ZERO REBUTTAL. All I hear is cricket noises or other nonsense.
I've also stated, for a FACT, that most Americans actually have VARIATION to their driving. They will not and they DON'T reliably stay home 12 hours and 20 minutes each day. To which, again, crickets.
There's also this tidbit that in actuality, most Americans LEASE OR FINANCE their car. I know, I don't get it either, but they do. In which case not only is a Tesla more expensive, its insurance being more expensive, its financing is more expensive either. So it definitely makes ZERO ECONOMIC SENSE for them to own a Tesla vs. a PHEV or ICE. But I didn't bring up this part because you can't even grasp the concept that you need fast, cheap, reliable charging at home, so why confuse you any further.
But let me state again that even YOU can understand. You've made ZERO ANALYSIS on the ACTUAL driving habit of Americans but still staked out the grand claim that it is suitable for all Americans because it suits you.
Heck, you even questioned whether I'm actually considering a Tesla. I suppose if I actually cared about what you think I might attach the email I received from Tesla thanking me for doing a test drive yesterday. But since I don't, nahhh.
Actually no, I didn't mean to spell factual. I meant to spell farcical, which since I took all of about 3 minutes to type up my reply, I typed wrong. Oops on me. But what I find more enlightening is not only the fact that you're wasting time harping my mis-spelling (instead of oh I don't know, reply with substance), you don't even know that farcical is a word, thereby highlighting your obvious lack of English vocabulary. Which again, hardly surprising to me, given that you don't know the difference between owner-occupied with single family. Instead of remaining silent, you removed all doubts. Congratulations.
Per the New York Times, using BLS data, Americans spent pre-pandemic, 10 HOURS A DAY of waking hours at home. You posted an assertion WITH ZERO DATA BACKING IT UP. Like I said, put up or shut up. But I'll tell you why I didn't just spoon feed you the data, because the BLS doesn't do a good job breaking it out. We know they spend 7.9 to 8.7 hours a day at work. Other categories include household chores, sports and leisure, childcare, etc. No detailed breakdown is given on WHERE that takes place, whether inside one's home or elsewhere, including a relative's home. So like I said, post the link, put up or shut up.
Yes, I forgot about self-park. Credit to you on that one, because one of us can actually admit to being wrong.
Congratulations on providing a link. I actually DID look at that very one when I found the BLS data not breaking out. But congratulations on at least bringing something other than your mouth. I guess we'll start with the fact that 12 hours 20 minutes is actually MORE than 50% of your day. Not being pedantic, but since we're playing the margins with 120V, I thought that's pretty important. Not to mention that is ONE SURVEY, where we DON'T see the data. We don't see the size, and sampling. We don't see the methodology. On top of that, as I mentioned above, I already cited a CONFLICTING DATA where the numbers AREN'T the same.
But then there's also the bit, where as I've mentioned, you need to be home for 12 hours 20 minutes a day with NO VARIATION, or that you might not be in your regular domicile for portion of time. You're pretending roadtrips don't happen, soccer practices don't happen, going to the national parks don't happen, except they do. But kudos for at least bringing something to the table.
You've provided ZERO ANALYSIS on the driving habits of Americans but still claim it is more convenient, laughable.
Strawman? I copied and pasted YOUR EXACT WORDS, in SUCCESSIVE POSTS. It was suggested to you by another post that it is more timely, convenient and cheaper FOR YOU, to which you replied "vast majority." Your EXACT QUOTES occurred yesterday at 12:57. Your EXACT POST on "vast majority" occurred yesterday at 1:11. I don't need to take you out of context, but I hardly need to waste my time segmenting my replies to your various nonsense like you do. Like I said, you're so full of the brown stuff you can't even keep your own story straight.
Makes me wonder why Tesla doesn't just advertise more if they want to sell more. Cutting price will only anger the current owners who paid $20k higher about 1 year ago. Offering a lower interest rate would be better than slashing price by 2 to 4%.
Any technology needs space to grow.
ICE car reached their maturity more than 30 years ago.
I imagined when gas car just came out, there might be people compare them to horse or steam car..
Any technology needs time to do lot researches and investment to get better.
I bought EV because tax incentives or other thing and it is my choice.
And everyone can choose what they want.
Although, EV still need time to get better.
Consumer can compare to choose what is best for them.
All I am saying today just no point to compare. You are comparing a matured technology to another developing technology.
Human technology advances everyday...
Consumer chooses what is best for them.. that is all.
Premium priced and not comparable to ICE, no matter what their ruler, Elon says.
I'll get one when I can afford one.
Gas savings I found out is offset by the insurance cost compared to my 2002 Civic which is $51/month at State Farm. And I've spent $2,150 or so over 22 years on service and maintenance. which doesn't come near the $40k plus tax the M3 costs.
appreciate your well thought out reply
I stick to actual facts, provide sources for them, and don't fill half my posts with personal attacks and the other half making up stuff the other guy never said.
You do the opposite.
Simple enough.
For example:
You ignore them then make up things I never said and insist I never proved THOSE.
Weird huh?
Cool for bringing up yet another argument I never said a single thing about in our discussion.
So again your basic facts are fundamentally wrong even when it's about a topic I never even brought up.
And pointing out the majority can easily charge even on a 120v socket.
Because they can. Which I proved. With sourced facts.
Which part of that confused you again?
I never said "all americans"
In fact I very very clearly did NOT say that.
Unable to argue what I actually said you make up nonsense I did not say
Despite having been told it exists 3 times- you couldn't be bothered to even check, and clearly had never researched the car at all to have needed to be told about it repeatedly.
This is the 4th or 5th time you've DEMANDED a source for a claim in reply to... the post that contained the source.
Once again pointing out you don't actually read or understand what you're replying to.
In the post you are replying to here.
Great, I eagerly await you doing it on the ton of OTHER things you were wrong about!
Shame.
It means they are at home 50% of the hours they are awake
You get to add to the 8 hours you are asleep where they are ALSO home to that to get total hours at home in a day.
See, awake and asleep are different things
Anyway- add them up (let me know if you need help) and you've got more than the 12.3 hours needed on a 5-15 120v plug.
And WAY more than the ~6 hours needed on a 5-20 120v plug.
You know- like I told you from the start
it was hilarious- you LITERALLY showed you were making up things I didn't say then made more of them up right below them.
I specifically called out the extra words NOT in my quotes. Including higher up in THIS post where you moved the goalposts to "all Americans' despite my never saying that
Have fun with range anxiety, I also heard the costs are getting as high as gas prices at charges.
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I've also seen several people complaining on Youtube about the tires so definitely not a one off scenario.
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