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ZOTAC Gaming GeForce RTX 4060 Ti 8GB Twin Edge OC Spider-Man: Across The Spider-Verse Inspired: 369.99 $369.99

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I know it's popular to trash NVIDIA right now and rightfully. Still, this is the best price I have seen on a stand-alone 4060ti if you must have team green. Not sure what comes in the "bundle" I think just the back plate.

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I know it's popular to trash NVIDIA right now and rightfully. Still, this is the best price I have seen on a stand-alone 4060ti if you must have team green. Not sure what comes in the "bundle" I think just the back plate.

https://www.amazon.com/ZOTAC-Gami...28e6d374b3

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Oct 14, 2023 02:01 AM
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TrevynAOct 14, 2023 02:01 AM
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Quote from MellowHalibut9900 :
The 3060 launched at $330. So even if you say this should be the 4060 it's still way above a $250 card. At that price your asking for a 3050 replacement with the performance of a 3070. I don't think there's ever been that big of generational jump in a $250 card. The 3050 didn't match the performance of the 2060 let alone the 2070. Yeah this card is expensive at MSRP and it's disappointing when the 3060ti was such a good value. But this is far from $250-$275 card.
Is this the performance of a 3070 though? I've watched some comprehensive tests and the 4060 ti is only 5% better than the 3060 ti at 1440p in a 55 game average. In some instances it is worse than the 3060 ti due to its slower memory / bus (Doom eternal).

It isn't asking too much to expect a significant price drop over the 2 year old card this replaces. I agree, this card cannot MSRP for the same price as a 2 year old card that is almost exactly as powerful.
Last edited by TrevynA October 13, 2023 at 07:06 PM.
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Oct 14, 2023 03:25 AM
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Zerosyztems
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Quote from TrevynA :
Is this the performance of a 3070 though? I've watched some comprehensive tests and the 4060 ti is only 5% better than the 3060 ti at 1440p in a 55 game average. In some instances it is worse than the 3060 ti due to its slower memory / bus (Doom eternal).

It isn't asking too much to expect a significant price drop over the 2 year old card this replaces. I agree, this card cannot MSRP for the same price as a 2 year old card that is almost exactly as powerful.
Techpowerup has the 4060ti relative performance at 10% better performance than the 3060ti and 3% less than the 3070 at 1440p. Plus better features.

https://www.techpowerup.com/revie...oc/32.html

The price is crappy but the performance is there. At the 300 to 325, it's a deal as it outperforms the 6700xt which everyone loves (and I just bought 2 of for my kids)
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Oct 14, 2023 03:34 AM
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max1001Oct 14, 2023 03:34 AM
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I really don't get why ppl get so mad over GPU pricing. It's an luxury item. It's not like it's insulins.....
Oct 14, 2023 03:55 AM
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LightningDemonOct 14, 2023 03:55 AM
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128MBit memory interface? Hard pass!
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Oct 14, 2023 04:06 AM
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Oct 14, 2023 04:06 AM
LaykimPOct 14, 2023 04:06 AM
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So many nvidia haters everywhere. This is a good gpu with low power consumption! SMH although its not a good value card this is still lowest its ever been.
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Oct 14, 2023 04:40 AM
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Oct 14, 2023 04:40 AM
MarkD77Oct 14, 2023 04:40 AM
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Quote from mihscr :
I will concede that $300, but no more, would be acceptable for the 8GB variant. This much the top tech reviewers agree upon.

But consider the following. The 3050 was joke and should have beaten the 2060. IMO, the 4060 Ti should have been a 4050 Ti, really. Both Nvidia and AMD shifted their naming schemes this generation to squeeze more money out of the consumer. I don't blame the business decision behind this, but as consumers we ought to fight back with our wallets.

$370 for this GPU is highway robbery... unless you really, really like Spider-Man, in which case I won't blame you if you buy it.
If consumers here cared about fighting back with their wallets, you'd see far less pc listings in general, and nobody would be advocating for the abysmal performance value of the 4090 instead of sometimes weirdly acting like its the only one worth getting.

It honestly only seems a significant concern when someone's trying to be hypercritical of something that's popular to be biased against.
Oct 14, 2023 08:33 AM
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FancySeed119Oct 14, 2023 08:33 AM
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rx6800 for 400$ kills this deal

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Oct 14, 2023 12:45 PM
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boobolooOct 14, 2023 12:45 PM
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8GB is truely a cursed product that could only be justified by a clearance level price, this isn't it thats for certain.
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Oct 14, 2023 01:50 PM
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rowmean77Oct 14, 2023 01:50 PM
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Sorry but this card really deserves to be trashed. $200-$250 is the best price for this thing.

That paltry memory bus bandwidth is the sole reason.
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Oct 14, 2023 02:05 PM
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EthanH5438Oct 14, 2023 02:05 PM
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I'd go intel a770 instead of this. 8GB? And intel continues to push miracles with theirs. Can't wait until their 800 series or whatever is called. Sticking with my 3080 ti until a 50 ti series. For those getting into PC gaming, I'd recommend waiting on 50 series or super value on a 4080 or ti. We need to stop letting them scam the consumer with these outrageous pricing even on their low end lineup
Oct 14, 2023 08:30 PM
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TrevynAOct 14, 2023 08:30 PM
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Quote from Zerosyztems :
Techpowerup has the 4060ti relative performance at 10% better performance than the 3060ti and 3% less than the 3070 at 1440p. Plus better features.

https://www.techpowerup.com/revie...oc/32.html

The price is crappy but the performance is there. At the 300 to 325, it's a deal as it outperforms the 6700xt which everyone loves (and I just bought 2 of for my kids)
You can expect different results from different testers. Hardware unboxed did a much more comprehensive test directly with the 3060 ti to 4060 ti in the same exact build with the updated drivers in 55 games. YouTube "4060ti vs 3060ti" and it should be among the top results.This is the best comparison done to date. The result is the 4060 ti is only 5% better at 1440p, with concerns of it being less future proof as it has a worse memory configuration.

At best, the 4060 ti is negligibly better than the 3060 ti. At worst, the 4060 ti is actually a worse card even for the same price as a 3060 ti because it will be obsoleted quicker.
Oct 14, 2023 08:40 PM
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Shoryuken23Oct 14, 2023 08:40 PM
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Quote from yueqi_hu :
You don't buy, I don't buy, better price nearby!

4080 = 3070
4070ti = 3060ti
4070 = 3060
4060ti = 4050ti
4060 = 4050se
Ironically this is mostly right, but the 4070 Ti isn't even a 3060 Ti. At least the 3060 Ti was rocking a 256 bit bus. 4070 Ti is 192 just like the 3060. And to think they wanted to name the 4070 Ti the 4080 12gb. I say this as a 4090 owner so I don't hate Nvidia. I just don't care for the 40 series other than the 4090. Which one could even argue is sorta a 4080 Ti but with the full 24gb VRAM.

The real 3080 successor, with a 320 bit bus, is about to come out and be called the 4080 Ti. Yay capitalism!
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Oct 15, 2023 12:11 AM
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Quote from TrevynA :
You can expect different results from different testers. Hardware unboxed did a much more comprehensive test directly with the 3060 ti to 4060 ti in the same exact build with the updated drivers in 55 games. YouTube "4060ti vs 3060ti" and it should be among the top results.This is the best comparison done to date. The result is the 4060 ti is only 5% better at 1440p, with concerns of it being less future proof as it has a worse memory configuration.

At best, the 4060 ti is negligibly better than the 3060 ti. At worst, the 4060 ti is actually a worse card even for the same price as a 3060 ti because it will be obsoleted quicker.
The Hardware Unboxed guys are great! Techspot is also extremely reputable also, Th HU guys reference them often for their card breakdowns. They just test a lot of cards and average them. Plus they are not day 1 launch reviews so, like you said variance is to be expected.

Still, your point is right. 5% or even 10% is a disappointing uplift. Even with all the new features. I can concede that this should have likely been a 4060 and 8 GB of VRAM is criminal. Why I believe this competes in the $300 to $350. Where the 6700xt lives and the 4060 performs slightly better.

The silly part to me (and you didn't say this) is the breakdown that this should be a 4050ti and be a sub 250 card like the 6600xt (a card that was 375.00 at launch). Is just not being honest. Also that 4070 and up while overpriced are just not incredibly performing cards. The 4070ti that performs as well as a 3090ti being called a bad card is just troll material.
Oct 15, 2023 01:41 AM
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TrevynAOct 15, 2023 01:41 AM
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Quote from Zerosyztems :
The Hardware Unboxed guys are great! Techspot is also extremely reputable also, Th HU guys reference them often for their card breakdowns. They just test a lot of cards and average them. Plus they are not day 1 launch reviews so, like you said variance is to be expected.

Still, your point is right. 5% or even 10% is a disappointing uplift. Even with all the new features. I can concede that this should have likely been a 4060 and 8 GB of VRAM is criminal. Why I believe this competes in the $300 to $350. Where the 6700xt lives and the 4060 performs slightly better.

The silly part to me (and you didn't say this) is the breakdown that this should be a 4050ti and be a sub 250 card like the 6600xt (a card that was 375.00 at launch). Is just not being honest. Also that 4070 and up while overpriced are just not incredibly performing cards. The 4070ti that performs as well as a 3090ti being called a bad card is just troll material.
I agree, 4070 and up offers pretty significant uplifts over the last gen cards they replace. The 4060 (and ti) is the odd one out because for some reason Nvidia decided to cut back the number of Cuda cores significantly versus the 3060 (and ti). the situation gets worse as Vram bottlenecking is much more of a problem on the 4060 ti than any other current gen card from either AMD or Nvidia. yeah the 7600 is also 8GB but that is $260 and is a weaker card.

I agree there are exaggerations going around. I can see in some situations why someone might choose the 4060 ti. it's the most powerful small form factor card you can get. DLSS, RAY TRACING, ETC. I have an external GPU dock that can fit a GPU up to 200mm. guess what is the best GPU that you can find under 200mm in length... yup, 4060 ti.
Last edited by TrevynA October 14, 2023 at 06:48 PM.
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