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Dirac Live Bass Control for Denon AVR-X3800H / AVC-X3800H (Digital License)

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Dirac has Dirac Live Bass Control for Denon AVR-X3800H / AVC-X3800H (Digital Licenses) on sale as listed below when you apply discount coupon 30BCDM23 at checkout.

Note: Discount code does not apply to individual 'Room Correction' licenses.

Thanks to Community Member undisturbed316 for finding this deal.

Available (prices after discount coupon):
  • Dirac Live Bass Control Single Subwoofer $228.85
  • Dirac Live Bass Control Multi Subwoofer $327.21
    • Upgrade an existing Bass Control Single Subwoofer license to Multi Subwoofer $110.82
  • Bundle Offer $425.57
    • Room Correction Full Bandwidth
    • Bass Control Single Subwoofer
  • Bundle Offer Multi $523.94
    • Room Correction Full Bandwidth
    • Bass Control Multi Subwoofer
Features:
  • Corrects sound gaps and bass decline
  • Enhances bass crossover area for smoother reproduction
  • Utilizes machine learning for phase co-optimization and supports one or multiple subwoofer (depending on license)

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Written by citan359 | Staff
  • About this deal:
    • Offer valid through January 15th, 2024
    • Please note that measurement microphone is not included in the software purchase.
  • About this product:
    • Windows 10 or macOS 10.14 Mojave, 10.15 Catalina, or newer required
  • Additional Note:

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Dirac has Dirac Live Bass Control for Denon AVR-X3800H / AVC-X3800H (Digital Licenses) on sale as listed below when you apply discount coupon 30BCDM23 at checkout.

Note: Discount code does not apply to individual 'Room Correction' licenses.

Thanks to Community Member undisturbed316 for finding this deal.

Available (prices after discount coupon):
  • Dirac Live Bass Control Single Subwoofer $228.85
  • Dirac Live Bass Control Multi Subwoofer $327.21
    • Upgrade an existing Bass Control Single Subwoofer license to Multi Subwoofer $110.82
  • Bundle Offer $425.57
    • Room Correction Full Bandwidth
    • Bass Control Single Subwoofer
  • Bundle Offer Multi $523.94
    • Room Correction Full Bandwidth
    • Bass Control Multi Subwoofer
Features:
  • Corrects sound gaps and bass decline
  • Enhances bass crossover area for smoother reproduction
  • Utilizes machine learning for phase co-optimization and supports one or multiple subwoofer (depending on license)

Editor's Notes

Written by citan359 | Staff
  • About this deal:
    • Offer valid through January 15th, 2024
    • Please note that measurement microphone is not included in the software purchase.
  • About this product:
    • Windows 10 or macOS 10.14 Mojave, 10.15 Catalina, or newer required
  • Additional Note:

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Written by undisturbed316

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grayguy1
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I'm in the same boat. I was going to pull the trigger because someone mentioned to me they have a 30 day return policy in case it doesn't perform according to it's desired effect (which makes sense), but I just checked their license agreement and it says to get a refund you "must not have used the Software," which makes no sense at all to me.

If you find evidence that they do give you a no hassle 30 day period to see if it improves your correction beyond what Audyssey MultiEQ X32 + the $20 Audyssey app can do, post the link here to let us know.

For me, if that company isn't willing to let you see if it's worth the money, it's a bad policy. It's not like they have to absorb return shipping costs or resell a discounted used product.
FranksAndBeans
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Dirac experts can chime in, but my limited research shows that if you only have 1 sub, especially a modest one that isn't doing a whole lot below 20Hz, regular full-bandwith Dirac is arguably enough. Yes I know even a regular 10 or 12" will technically play below 20 Hz. But you need some heavy subwoofers in a controlled room to be really pushing usable output at 10-15Hz.

Seems to me you could use bass control as a standalone if you only want it tuning your subs, or go with the live + the multi-sub license if you want it doing everything in a multi-sub system. I've always been happy with XT32 but want to give Dirac a try because there seems at least some agreement that is superior. I missed the BF deals on full-bandwith but though somewhere in the ~$250 - 300 range might be worth a shot. XT32 does handle 2 subs, but not to the complexity that the multi-sub Dirac bass control is described to.

I'm probably oversimplifying this but based on the descriptions, to me it seems:

For a no sub or 1 sub system - Dirac full bandwidth is arguably superior to XT32.

For a 2 sub system - XT32 is arguably superior to Dirac full bandwidth alone. Dirac FB + multi-sub bass control would be superior to XT32.

I'm really struggling with seeing the value of Dirac bass control for a single sub, except as a standalone product where you only want sub calibration. Maybe that's the point?

But for me, the $799 package to cover multi-sub systems... I'm not doing that. I'd rather wait until my next AVR upgrade to see how their market / built-in options pan out. Not saying it isn't worth it, but $800 is far too big of a gamble to me to try it. Maybe if the licenses were transferable at least once or twice maybe, but locked to one AVR? Nah.
zubikov
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Unpopular opinion: Dirac live is not worth it for 90% of us. It's not gospel.

All mid-to-high tier receivers will have basic speaker distance correction. So you can take a tape measure and tell the speaker how far each channel is. That will give you a pretty good (not perfect) timing delay. But then, you modern high end receiver also mostly likely has some free flavor of room correction software. That will do 90% of what Dirac does.

Dirac does three things on top of all else: it flattens each speaker's curve, chooses a good crossover, and adjusts the level of each speaker. Of all those, I'd argue adjusting the level is the most valuable feature. In my view, you're paying $100's more to get the level correct out of each speaker on top of what you can do for free. Is that worth it?

I'll go a step further. I did my own calibration on a new Onkyo receiver, listened to it for a few weeks, and then did a Dirac calibration. Dirac nailed all 5 speakers, but completely underpowered the sub no matter how hard I tried. I just don't think I'd pay so much $$ out of pocket on top of the brilliant Marantz / Denon / Pioneer etc capabilities that come free with the receiver.

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Dec 16, 2023 07:16 AM
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fourml8rDec 16, 2023 07:16 AM
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Quote from RoachForLife :
Don't see. It on the site but any indication how long this runs for? Sounds like full bandwidth and multi sub bass control would be about $560 after the discount. Best of the best but dang still a bunch. Thinking it over. Anyone have any good videos on what exactly the bass control can offer besides the marketing material? Thanks
I'm addition to the software license cost you need a special calibration mic that adds another $100.
Dec 16, 2023 12:19 PM
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fidelityDec 16, 2023 12:19 PM
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Quote from supermanrob :
Only the newer RZ70 does, without the discount right now.
damn, thanks (I have the 7100)
Dec 16, 2023 02:09 PM
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mattsrsDec 16, 2023 02:09 PM
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I have 4800h, 5.1.2 setup and purchased Dirac live full bandwidth during Black Friday. I research the bass control a lot and cannot convince myself that this will help my situation in any noticeable way. Also it is a pain in the neck to set up as there are too many measurements. I think for each speaker-sub combination you have to do minimum of 5 measurements so for my setup would be 35 measurements and not worth the $ nor the time. If I had multiple sub, may have been different
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Dec 16, 2023 02:55 PM
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twylightDec 16, 2023 02:55 PM
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I'm a huge Dirac fan boy but these prices are too high honestly. They basically want $799 for full range, albeit excellent correction. Spend $799 on each speaker and sub, some acoustic traps, then buy Dirac geesh. You can buy full subwoofer processors for less than the licensee…
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Dec 16, 2023 03:58 PM
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jefflinsDec 16, 2023 03:58 PM
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Never heard Dirac but this is way too expensive...just taking advantage of people's hobby. Here's my test: am I happy with xt that came with my 3800? extremely! good enough for me. I'm done chasing audio/video unicorns...
Last edited by jefflins December 16, 2023 at 08:00 AM.
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Dec 16, 2023 04:02 PM
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cscamp20Dec 16, 2023 04:02 PM
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Quote from donEddie7 :
What is this compared to the correction that comes along with the receiver itself? What extra does it provide for the added cost? Just wondering the target audience for this and what benefits it provides over the included correction. Thank you!
Dirac is the the creme de la creme of room correction. If you dont know what it is, then you probably don't need it.
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Dec 16, 2023 04:03 PM
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cscamp20Dec 16, 2023 04:03 PM
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Quote from jefflins :
Never heard Dirac but this is way too expensive...just taking advantage of people's hobby. Here's my test: am I happy with xt that came with my 3800? extremely! good enough for me. I'm done chasing audio/video unicorns...
You are just a casual listener if you dont know what Dirac is.
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Dec 16, 2023 04:07 PM
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cscamp20Dec 16, 2023 04:07 PM
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You need a quiet room to setup room correction. No kids, No TV noise or any background noise at all. The best time to do it is at night when everyone else is sleeping unless you live by yourself. It is a pain to setup, but worth it.
Dec 16, 2023 04:26 PM
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pilot757Dec 16, 2023 04:26 PM
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Quote from BuenoBonitoYBarato :
I just got the X3800H for $900. Should I get this? I have high end speakers and dual SVS PB-3000 subs.
In my experience it comes down to how complicated your room is. Are you in an open concept or strange shaped room or do you have slanted ceilings? If your room is a square box the calculations are not that complicated. DIRAC can be great for fixing/compensating for difficult rooms. Audyssey is pretty good as well. If you have a simple room and you don't want to take the measurements yourself just use Audyssey. There's no reason to hire a mathematician to do simple addition. Just my 2 cents.
Dec 16, 2023 05:25 PM
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DIY_Audio_GuyDec 16, 2023 05:25 PM
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I never thought I'd live to see DLC content make it's way into audio receivers. These receivers come with adequate room correction software for 99 percent of users.
Dec 16, 2023 05:52 PM
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washerebeforeDec 16, 2023 05:52 PM
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Quote from JollyBuffalo537 :
I missed the sale on Denon X3800. If any of you want to return your receiver, I'll pay your full price + shipping. Make sure you send me the receipt that you've bought so I can register for warranty.

I'm going to return the Yamaha rx-a4a that I bought
https://slickdeals.net/f/17150923-denon-avr-x3800h-9-4-channel-8k-network-av-receiver-899-free-s-h?src=frontpage_recombee&prop=rcmid-19fa94a05882293f277d219c43afa0a2
Dec 16, 2023 07:06 PM
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barthel777Dec 16, 2023 07:06 PM
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Just my two cents from someone who purchased and compared. I have had Mini DSP and three SB3000 for a few years now and spent tens of hours manipulating and calibrating via REW and MSO. I upgraded my Denon X4800 to DLBC two nights ago and after one hour of taking 17 measurements my subs are now seamlessly part of my mains and sound really really good. Dirac also lets you adjust the house curve to your liking if you want a little more. Looking at what it did I can see it set each speaker to very unique crossover points, and time aligned and phase controlled all to play great together. It's expensive but my room is less than ideal so Dirac was possibly more successful. I'll be Upgrading to Dirac ART next year as well.
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Dec 16, 2023 07:39 PM
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Quote from mattsrs :
I have 4800h, 5.1.2 setup and purchased Dirac live full bandwidth during Black Friday. I research the bass control a lot and cannot convince myself that this will help my situation in any noticeable way. Also it is a pain in the neck to set up as there are too many measurements. I think for each speaker-sub combination you have to do minimum of 5 measurements so for my setup would be 35 measurements and not worth the $ nor the time. If I had multiple sub, may have been different
Sorry you're having a difficult time. Hopefully you help others that do the research BEFORE buying Dirac.
I know I tried to inform people that there was a learning curve with Dirac.

At least you're not me.
I have five of the six people that were waiting for DLBC to be released contact me already!
Going to be busy for a couple of weekends! 😅
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Quote from twylight :
I'm a huge Dirac fan boy but these prices are too high honestly. They basically want $799 for full range, albeit excellent correction. Spend $799 on each speaker and sub, some acoustic traps, then buy Dirac geesh. You can buy full subwoofer processors for less than the licensee…
Your math is off, it's $560 for both DL & DLBC.
If you don't think that's a great price, you may not be as big a fan boy as you think! 😜
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Dec 16, 2023 08:04 PM
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DavidL1996Dec 16, 2023 08:04 PM
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Quote from StreetJedi :
So may get booed for this but Dirac is not a god send, it may actually may make your system sound worse depending on your room.

A miniDSP-HD unit with REW freeware can get your multiple subs aligned and EQed very well but you will have to learn this. Many youtube videos on this.

IMO Audessey-X (the newer $200 program) is better than Dirac since it gives you direct control over filters and curve. Dirac does not. But again, there is more of a learning curve with Audessey-X.

In a standard rectangular room with acoustic treatments, Dirac can work great. In an atypical open concept floor plan, or otherwise not ideal home theater environment, with poor acoustic treatments, and given limitations of the room, Dirac may make things worse or no better then Audessy XT32 (free that comes with upper end denon/marantz receivers).

YMMV; don't necessarily expect miracles.
I stopped using Dirac on my HTP1, it was just okay and ate up a bunch of headroom.

Nothing beats a proper manual calibration.

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