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Dirac Live Bass Control for Denon AVR-X3800H / AVC-X3800H (Digital License)

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Dirac has Dirac Live Bass Control for Denon AVR-X3800H / AVC-X3800H (Digital Licenses) on sale as listed below when you apply discount coupon 30BCDM23 at checkout.

Note: Discount code does not apply to individual 'Room Correction' licenses.

Thanks to Community Member undisturbed316 for finding this deal.

Available (prices after discount coupon):
  • Dirac Live Bass Control Single Subwoofer $228.85
  • Dirac Live Bass Control Multi Subwoofer $327.21
    • Upgrade an existing Bass Control Single Subwoofer license to Multi Subwoofer $110.82
  • Bundle Offer $425.57
    • Room Correction Full Bandwidth
    • Bass Control Single Subwoofer
  • Bundle Offer Multi $523.94
    • Room Correction Full Bandwidth
    • Bass Control Multi Subwoofer
Features:
  • Corrects sound gaps and bass decline
  • Enhances bass crossover area for smoother reproduction
  • Utilizes machine learning for phase co-optimization and supports one or multiple subwoofer (depending on license)

Editor's Notes

Written by citan359 | Staff
  • About this deal:
    • Offer valid through January 15th, 2024
    • Please note that measurement microphone is not included in the software purchase.
  • About this product:
    • Windows 10 or macOS 10.14 Mojave, 10.15 Catalina, or newer required
  • Additional Note:

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Dirac has Dirac Live Bass Control for Denon AVR-X3800H / AVC-X3800H (Digital Licenses) on sale as listed below when you apply discount coupon 30BCDM23 at checkout.

Note: Discount code does not apply to individual 'Room Correction' licenses.

Thanks to Community Member undisturbed316 for finding this deal.

Available (prices after discount coupon):
  • Dirac Live Bass Control Single Subwoofer $228.85
  • Dirac Live Bass Control Multi Subwoofer $327.21
    • Upgrade an existing Bass Control Single Subwoofer license to Multi Subwoofer $110.82
  • Bundle Offer $425.57
    • Room Correction Full Bandwidth
    • Bass Control Single Subwoofer
  • Bundle Offer Multi $523.94
    • Room Correction Full Bandwidth
    • Bass Control Multi Subwoofer
Features:
  • Corrects sound gaps and bass decline
  • Enhances bass crossover area for smoother reproduction
  • Utilizes machine learning for phase co-optimization and supports one or multiple subwoofer (depending on license)

Editor's Notes

Written by citan359 | Staff
  • About this deal:
    • Offer valid through January 15th, 2024
    • Please note that measurement microphone is not included in the software purchase.
  • About this product:
    • Windows 10 or macOS 10.14 Mojave, 10.15 Catalina, or newer required
  • Additional Note:

Original Post

Written by undisturbed316

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grayguy1
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I'm in the same boat. I was going to pull the trigger because someone mentioned to me they have a 30 day return policy in case it doesn't perform according to it's desired effect (which makes sense), but I just checked their license agreement and it says to get a refund you "must not have used the Software," which makes no sense at all to me.

If you find evidence that they do give you a no hassle 30 day period to see if it improves your correction beyond what Audyssey MultiEQ X32 + the $20 Audyssey app can do, post the link here to let us know.

For me, if that company isn't willing to let you see if it's worth the money, it's a bad policy. It's not like they have to absorb return shipping costs or resell a discounted used product.
FranksAndBeans
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Dirac experts can chime in, but my limited research shows that if you only have 1 sub, especially a modest one that isn't doing a whole lot below 20Hz, regular full-bandwith Dirac is arguably enough. Yes I know even a regular 10 or 12" will technically play below 20 Hz. But you need some heavy subwoofers in a controlled room to be really pushing usable output at 10-15Hz.

Seems to me you could use bass control as a standalone if you only want it tuning your subs, or go with the live + the multi-sub license if you want it doing everything in a multi-sub system. I've always been happy with XT32 but want to give Dirac a try because there seems at least some agreement that is superior. I missed the BF deals on full-bandwith but though somewhere in the ~$250 - 300 range might be worth a shot. XT32 does handle 2 subs, but not to the complexity that the multi-sub Dirac bass control is described to.

I'm probably oversimplifying this but based on the descriptions, to me it seems:

For a no sub or 1 sub system - Dirac full bandwidth is arguably superior to XT32.

For a 2 sub system - XT32 is arguably superior to Dirac full bandwidth alone. Dirac FB + multi-sub bass control would be superior to XT32.

I'm really struggling with seeing the value of Dirac bass control for a single sub, except as a standalone product where you only want sub calibration. Maybe that's the point?

But for me, the $799 package to cover multi-sub systems... I'm not doing that. I'd rather wait until my next AVR upgrade to see how their market / built-in options pan out. Not saying it isn't worth it, but $800 is far too big of a gamble to me to try it. Maybe if the licenses were transferable at least once or twice maybe, but locked to one AVR? Nah.
zubikov
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Unpopular opinion: Dirac live is not worth it for 90% of us. It's not gospel.

All mid-to-high tier receivers will have basic speaker distance correction. So you can take a tape measure and tell the speaker how far each channel is. That will give you a pretty good (not perfect) timing delay. But then, you modern high end receiver also mostly likely has some free flavor of room correction software. That will do 90% of what Dirac does.

Dirac does three things on top of all else: it flattens each speaker's curve, chooses a good crossover, and adjusts the level of each speaker. Of all those, I'd argue adjusting the level is the most valuable feature. In my view, you're paying $100's more to get the level correct out of each speaker on top of what you can do for free. Is that worth it?

I'll go a step further. I did my own calibration on a new Onkyo receiver, listened to it for a few weeks, and then did a Dirac calibration. Dirac nailed all 5 speakers, but completely underpowered the sub no matter how hard I tried. I just don't think I'd pay so much $$ out of pocket on top of the brilliant Marantz / Denon / Pioneer etc capabilities that come free with the receiver.

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Dec 16, 2023 10:24 PM
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netjackDec 16, 2023 10:24 PM
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Do the 14 day trials not work for the receivers or just not my x3800h??
Dec 16, 2023 10:31 PM
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mattsrsDec 16, 2023 10:31 PM
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Quote from supermanrob :
Sorry you're having a difficult time. Hopefully you help others that do the research BEFORE buying Dirac.
I know I tried to inform people that there was a learning curve with Dirac.

At least you're not me.
I have five of the six people that were waiting for DLBC to be released contact me already!
Going to be busy for a couple of weekends! 😅
bro what difficult time? I already have Dirac Live full band up and running. Just saying with single sub, the additional effort of measurement and spending yet another ~$300 to maybe get marginal benefits is not worth it
Dec 16, 2023 10:43 PM
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BuenoBonitoYBaratoDec 16, 2023 10:43 PM
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Quote from DavidL1996 :
I stopped using Dirac on my HTP1, it was just okay and ate up a bunch of headroom.

Nothing beats a proper manual calibration.
Manual calibration is great for people who have a lot of time on their hands. I am on the go and need something that is easy and I can be up and running in an hour or two.
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Dec 16, 2023 10:47 PM
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supermanrob
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Dec 16, 2023 10:47 PM
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Quote from cscamp20 :
Dirac is the the creme de la creme of room correction. If you dont know what it is, then you probably don't need it.
Well TBH Trinnov is creme de la creme of room correction.
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Dec 16, 2023 10:54 PM
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DavidL1996Dec 16, 2023 10:54 PM
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Quote from BuenoBonitoYBarato :
Manual calibration is great for people who have a lot of time on their hands. I am on the go and need something that is easy and I can be up and running in an hour or two.
Very true.

It's okay for what it is, not deserving all the hype and only slightly better than other auto cal.
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Dec 16, 2023 11:07 PM
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netjackDec 16, 2023 11:07 PM
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Quote from DavidL1996 :
Very true.

It's okay for what it is, not deserving all the hype and only slightly better than other auto cal.
Then how do they justify $600+ to be just slightly better?
Dec 16, 2023 11:17 PM
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DavidL1996Dec 16, 2023 11:17 PM
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Quote from netjack :
Then how do they justify $600+ to be just slightly better?
They can charge whatever they want, up to the user to decide on true value.

I'm running a 9.3.6 dedicated theater, fully treated with a 30db noise floor and I only calibrate for MLP. Dirac did an okay job, I also set the curtain at 300hz.

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Dec 16, 2023 11:17 PM
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LovelySparrow901Dec 16, 2023 11:17 PM
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Quote from netjack :
Then how do they justify $600+ to be just slightly better?
The same way people pay $1000 for a "hifi" AC power cable or $5000 for a DAC that can't be picked out as "better" than the "free" one they already have in their device, in a blind test.
Last edited by LovelySparrow901 December 16, 2023 at 07:16 PM.
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supermanrob
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Dec 17, 2023 12:25 AM
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Quote from netjack :
Then how do they justify $600+ to be just slightly better?
lol you have to consider where we are, SD after all!
Where they know Dirac is a marginal/not worth the difference without ever even using it!

Dirac has been around for years and did/does very well in the higher end market!

Manual calibration was the sh*t back then.
Room correction is just way too good nowadays but you'll always gonna have a nostalgia crowd.

The great thing is sound is subjective.
Whatever anyone thinks is better, they are correct for them.
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Dec 17, 2023 12:34 AM
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BryanW1509Dec 17, 2023 12:34 AM
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I caved. With $8-9K invested in home theatre with multiple subs, what's another $560? The older I get, the more I value free time. 10-20 years ago, I'd be doing all adjustments manually with freeware, but Dirac and bass shakers will be my final HT touches.
Dec 17, 2023 12:51 AM
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netjackDec 17, 2023 12:51 AM
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Is anyone trying the trial? I wasn't able to get it to work...
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supermanrob
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Dec 17, 2023 12:54 AM
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Quote from mattsrs :
bro what difficult time? I already have Dirac Live full band up and running. Just saying with single sub, the additional effort of measurement and spending yet another ~$300 to maybe get marginal benefits is not worth it
lol so what part of this is a "marginal benefit" and how difficult was it to find out?
https://www.dirac.com/live/bass-control/
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Dec 17, 2023 01:03 AM
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wightyDec 17, 2023 01:03 AM
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Quote from twylight :
I'm a huge Dirac fan boy but these prices are too high honestly. They basically want $799 for full range, albeit excellent correction. Spend $799 on each speaker and sub, some acoustic traps, then buy Dirac geesh. You can buy full subwoofer processors for less than the licensee…
I have never used it, been interested for a few years... but yeah the price is just kind of crazy. Even with the 30% to get the multi-sub combo is just crazy money to spend to me when *you can't transfer the license* (at least from my understanding). If they let you bring the license to upgrades I could potentially stomach it as a 'lifetime' purchase.
Dec 17, 2023 02:05 AM
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DavidL1996Dec 17, 2023 02:05 AM
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Quote from wighty :
I have never used it, been interested for a few years... but yeah the price is just kind of crazy. Even with the 30% to get the multi-sub combo is just crazy money to spend to me when *you can't transfer the license* (at least from my understanding). If they let you bring the license to upgrades I could potentially stomach it as a 'lifetime' purchase.
I fell for the hype as well, got a $4K processor with Dirac built-in, just okay.

Dirac will be releasing ART for my processor in 2024, more software licensing fee.

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BuenoBonitoYBaratoDec 17, 2023 02:06 AM
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Guys this is a great deal. It probably won't come back again. Get the bundle like I did. Don't regret not pulling the trigger.
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