The last time I had one of these shipped it was thrown on my doorstep and cracked, leaking everywhere. Walmart replaced it, of course, but it was a mess. Get it in store if at all possible.
In fact. Gas portion of hybrid engines shouldn't require additional additives since the gas engine is utilized less
You wouldn't think so and for the vast majority of driving situations it wouldn't be needed. The only thing I can see is for those hybrid owners that only make short trips around town at low speeds and stay on the battery quite a bit there's the chance that they may keep the engine oil temps low. Low oil temps for extended periods could possibly be bad because moisture can slowly build up in the oil. Having additives which help to prevent oil breakdown with the presence of higher amounts of moisture could be beneficial in this instance. This is why I said earlier that once you're on the freeway and the ICE is operating continuously the engine oil will come up to full temp. At higher temperatures small amounts of moisture in the oil can be slowly driven out and will be pulled out via the engine PCV system.
However, The hybrid vehicle manufacturers are obviously not worried about this issue. Toyota, which is probably the biggest hybrid manufacturer by a long shot, doesn't require any special "hybrid" oils in their vehicles and none of the other manufacturers do either. The Prius model which has been on the roads for about 25yrs now, has always spec'd off the shelf engine oils and there are plenty of examples of those cars going 300k+ miles on the original drivetrain. This hybrid oil seems like it is mostly a solution in search of a problem. It is really about generating profits for the lubrication suppliers because the vehicle manufacturers haven't even taken notice.
Is this a deal? I've been changing my oil with mobil1 from walmart for at least a decade now, and these gallon jugs of mobile1 have always been between $25-$30 (approx) at my local store.
You wouldn't think so and for the vast majority of driving situations it wouldn't be needed. The only thing I can see is for those hybrid owners that only make short trips around town at low speeds and stay on the battery quite a bit there's the chance that they may keep the engine oil temps low. Low oil temps for extended periods could possibly be bad because moisture can slowly build up in the oil. Having additives which help to prevent oil breakdown with the presence of higher amounts of moisture could be beneficial in this instance. This is why I said earlier that once you're on the freeway and the ICE is operating continuously the engine oil will come up to full temp. At higher temperatures small amounts of moisture in the oil can be slowly driven out and will be pulled out via the engine PCV system.
However, The hybrid vehicle manufacturers are obviously not worried about this issue. Toyota, which is probably the biggest hybrid manufacturer by a long shot, doesn't require any special "hybrid" oils in their vehicles and none of the other manufacturers do either. The Prius model which has been on the roads for about 25yrs now, has always spec'd off the shelf engine oils and there are plenty of examples of those cars going 300k+ miles on the original drivetrain. This hybrid oil seems like it is mostly a solution in search of a problem. It is really about generating profits for the lubrication suppliers because the vehicle manufacturers haven't even taken notice.
But short trips can apply to non hybrids as well. Hybrid systems do require ICE to kick on to at least bring operating temps to optimal conditions. A cold battery isnt efficient either.
Great oil brand, the only one I use. However, I would not wait 15,000 miles to change my oil. I change mine every 5k - 7.5k with a Prius Prime. Use OEM filters if you can, if not the PurolatorBoss or Mobil1 Extended Performance filters are good alternatives.
But short trips can apply to non hybrids as well. Hybrid systems do require ICE to kick on to at least bring operating temps to optimal conditions. A cold battery isnt efficient either.
Yes, but we're not talking about efficiency here. That's a whole different rabbit hole.
Absolutely the same problem could occur with a non-hybrid vehicle as well. It's just much less likely because the non hybrid is running the engine far more in a city stop-n-go situation.
The hybrid does operate the ICE for the 1st mile or two of operation after a cold start but the engine oil temp is probably only at 50 - 60% of full operating temp by then. The hybrid is doing two things primarily during this warm-up period. Its heating the catalytic converter to its operating point and bringing the coolant temp up to operating temp. This heating period after cold start is for emissions and not efficiency. The problem is that Engine oil temp lags coolant temp by a large amount. I've monitored it with an OBD adapter in a few of my vehicles and oil temp typically takes 3 - 4x as long to come up to a full stabilized temp as the coolant does.
I'm not really arguing that this "hybrid" oil is necessary, only that in very isolated incidents it might be marginally beneficial. I see it as snake oil for 98% of HEV owners.
Lol dexos is not a component. It is a standard/specification. Manufacturers have to pay to have their oil tested to make sure it passes this spec.
This is correct, and specifically I think dexo is a GM spec.. it's like saying that this oil is approved/endorsed to be used in GM vehicles.
There's not too many vehicles that would actually require dexos spec hybrid oil.. Volt, Malibu hybrid, wasn't there an Escalade hybrid at one point? Lol
Great oil brand, the only one I use. However, I would not wait 15,000 miles to change my oil. I change mine every 5k - 7.5k with a Prius Prime. Use OEM filters if you can, if not the PurolatorBoss or Mobil1 Extended Performance filters are good alternatives.
As a plug-in HEV, if half your miles are EV, that would be oil changes every 2.5-4k....
For my prime, I'm about 70% EV often charging twice per day. 12k miles is like 5k and under one year. At 5k, my oil isn't even a medium brown yet and there is nothing in the filter pleats....it's wild. These engines are insanely clean. However, engine is short-cycled A LOT.
This version of Mobil 1 was introduced last year. It has additional additive to prevent water and other contaminant build-up in the oil during the stop-and-start operation of engines in hybrid cars.
At introduction it was exclusive to Walmart; that appears to still be the case.
0-20w only; change recommendation is the lower of 15k miles or 1 year.
Should work in any engine that is designed to use that viscosity, but other Mobil 1 versions may be better value when they have rebates.
My Toyota hybrid calls for 0-w16 if available and 0-w20 if not. Do you think this is better than the regular 0-w16 available?
The last time I had one of these shipped it was thrown on my doorstep and cracked, leaking everywhere. Walmart replaced it, of course, but it was a mess. Get it in store if at all possible.
I had valvoline shipped to me... they put them in a plastic bag and then tape it so if it does leak...
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However, The hybrid vehicle manufacturers are obviously not worried about this issue. Toyota, which is probably the biggest hybrid manufacturer by a long shot, doesn't require any special "hybrid" oils in their vehicles and none of the other manufacturers do either. The Prius model which has been on the roads for about 25yrs now, has always spec'd off the shelf engine oils and there are plenty of examples of those cars going 300k+ miles on the original drivetrain. This hybrid oil seems like it is mostly a solution in search of a problem. It is really about generating profits for the lubrication suppliers because the vehicle manufacturers haven't even taken notice.
However, The hybrid vehicle manufacturers are obviously not worried about this issue. Toyota, which is probably the biggest hybrid manufacturer by a long shot, doesn't require any special "hybrid" oils in their vehicles and none of the other manufacturers do either. The Prius model which has been on the roads for about 25yrs now, has always spec'd off the shelf engine oils and there are plenty of examples of those cars going 300k+ miles on the original drivetrain. This hybrid oil seems like it is mostly a solution in search of a problem. It is really about generating profits for the lubrication suppliers because the vehicle manufacturers haven't even taken notice.
Absolutely the same problem could occur with a non-hybrid vehicle as well. It's just much less likely because the non hybrid is running the engine far more in a city stop-n-go situation.
The hybrid does operate the ICE for the 1st mile or two of operation after a cold start but the engine oil temp is probably only at 50 - 60% of full operating temp by then. The hybrid is doing two things primarily during this warm-up period. Its heating the catalytic converter to its operating point and bringing the coolant temp up to operating temp. This heating period after cold start is for emissions and not efficiency. The problem is that Engine oil temp lags coolant temp by a large amount. I've monitored it with an OBD adapter in a few of my vehicles and oil temp typically takes 3 - 4x as long to come up to a full stabilized temp as the coolant does.
I'm not really arguing that this "hybrid" oil is necessary, only that in very isolated incidents it might be marginally beneficial. I see it as snake oil for 98% of HEV owners.
This is correct, and specifically I think dexo is a GM spec.. it's like saying that this oil is approved/endorsed to be used in GM vehicles.
There's not too many vehicles that would actually require dexos spec hybrid oil.. Volt, Malibu hybrid, wasn't there an Escalade hybrid at one point? Lol
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There has been a debate on using 0w-20 on Toyota hybrid engines designed for 0w-16, and the general consensus is to stick with 0w-16.
For my prime, I'm about 70% EV often charging twice per day. 12k miles is like 5k and under one year. At 5k, my oil isn't even a medium brown yet and there is nothing in the filter pleats....it's wild. These engines are insanely clean. However, engine is short-cycled A LOT.
At introduction it was exclusive to Walmart; that appears to still be the case.
0-20w only; change recommendation is the lower of 15k miles or 1 year.
Should work in any engine that is designed to use that viscosity, but other Mobil 1 versions may be better value when they have rebates.
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Good to know... Now if there's a deal for 0w16, that would be swell. There's never a 0W-16 deal 😕