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Honeywell Wifi Thermostat $21.26 Amazon Warehouse

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Honeywell Home RTH6580WF Wi-Fi 7-Day Programmable Thermostat - Amazon Warehouse - Good used

In the last two weeks I bought three of these. I tried one first and it was really good so I standardized our house on them. The price has fluctuated. At one point it was $16 and I got two of mine for $18. $21.26 (now $26.51) is still a great deal on a good Wifi thermostat. I wanted a wifi thermostat without too much tech (no motion sensors or too much automated guesswork) that was reliable and easy to use. These filled the bill nicely. The app works reliably. The thermostat fit two of my three marks on the wall from the old thermostat with no painting and the old holes in the wall lined up nicely from all three. Both came in the orginal box and had been carefully repacked. Take a picture of the mac address on the back of the thermostat before you click it into place on the mount. You'll need the Mac address. They were easy to get online, I used my 2.4 wifi band as that seems to work better with all my home automation. A C wire is needed for these and I ended up running that to all three because I only had four wires on my older setup.

Look for the Amazon Warehouse listing for the best price. The price fluctuates so YMMV on the actual price.

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Honeywell Home RTH6580WF Wi-Fi 7-Day Programmable Thermostat - Amazon Warehouse - Good used

In the last two weeks I bought three of these. I tried one first and it was really good so I standardized our house on them. The price has fluctuated. At one point it was $16 and I got two of mine for $18. $21.26 (now $26.51) is still a great deal on a good Wifi thermostat. I wanted a wifi thermostat without too much tech (no motion sensors or too much automated guesswork) that was reliable and easy to use. These filled the bill nicely. The app works reliably. The thermostat fit two of my three marks on the wall from the old thermostat with no painting and the old holes in the wall lined up nicely from all three. Both came in the orginal box and had been carefully repacked. Take a picture of the mac address on the back of the thermostat before you click it into place on the mount. You'll need the Mac address. They were easy to get online, I used my 2.4 wifi band as that seems to work better with all my home automation. A C wire is needed for these and I ended up running that to all three because I only had four wires on my older setup.

Look for the Amazon Warehouse listing for the best price. The price fluctuates so YMMV on the actual price.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product...3NWQ&psc=1

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Jan 18, 2024 04:25 PM
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MutantchipmunkJan 18, 2024 04:25 PM
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Looks like this is free for me with a rebate from my local power company. I think i'll go ahead and upgrade.
Jan 18, 2024 04:47 PM
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airrichJan 18, 2024 04:47 PM
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Quote from coast327 :
No thanks Honeywell. I've gone through 3 in 4 years! AC tech from the company that installed my system told me they're the worst. My Honeywell kitchen light died after 2.5 years. I was told 12 weeks to receive a new one. 4.5 months later. Yes! 4.5 months! Half the LED light is now burned out after 4 months! No more Honeywell for me.
Maybe you are a young-in'... But Honeywell was the industry standard for thermostats up until smart thermostats like Nest came out.

When this particular Honeywell model was released, it was rock solid. I had one installed in my house. Loved that I could control the heat or ac from the bed. I loved how we could set a temperature range (heat on when it gets this cold, ac on when it gets this hot). But when we got a new HVAC, it came with a Nest so we retired the Honeywell. I still have it in a drawer, just in case.


General thought on Honeywell... I guess they do pretty much everything from jet engines to air purifiers to thermostats. I didn't know they did lights, but hey, why not.
Jan 18, 2024 04:47 PM
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zzyzzxJan 18, 2024 04:47 PM
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Quote from MusicShark :
Why C wire?
And why people don't have one?
I don't have a C wire. I also don't have a spare conductor in my cable either! Short sighted on the installer's part.
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Jan 18, 2024 04:50 PM
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JasonJ6420
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Jan 18, 2024 04:50 PM
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Quote from fis :
Thanks, Jason. I have this exact thermostat in the non-WiFi version, connected to my heat pump, and have found it to be confusing but reliable. I've looked at but rejected the "smart" thermostat option, partially because our schedules aren't consistent enough to take full advantage, and partially because of the size of the hole being covered by the back plate (i.e., installing a Next would mean I'd need drywall and painting). My question for you: What does the WiFi functionality add? Just controlling it from the phone? Controlling it when I'm not at home? Notifications?


I am a HUGE fan of Amazon Warehouse, so that's no big deal at all.
It makes it a lot easier to see the schedules and program them, especially if you have more than one. I can see all three of mine now in the app. If I am on our main level I can now easily react if I hear the basement turn on unexpectedly...usually because I don't have the schedule set right or my kids may have temporarily bumped it up but are no longer down there. Also, if we're out of town and the dog sitter cranks down the air to a ridiculous temp (again!), it can alert me by the app. Then there is the Alexa or Google Home integration that you can use and ask verbally for one of them to change the set temp.
Jan 18, 2024 04:52 PM
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AmusedDime497Jan 18, 2024 04:52 PM
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Quote from MusicShark :
Why C wire?
And why people don't have one?
Baseboard heat for example
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Jan 18, 2024 04:53 PM
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Quote from JasonJ6420 :
It makes it a lot easier to see the schedules and program them, especially if you have more than one. I can see all three of mine now in the app. If I am on our main level I can now easily react if I hear the basement turn on unexpectedly...usually because I don't have the schedule set right or my kids may have temporarily bumped it up but are no longer down there. Also, if we're out of town and the dog sitter cranks down the air to a ridiculous temp (again!), it can alert me by the app. Then there is the Alexa or Google Home integration that you can use and ask verbally for one of them to change the set temp.
Perfect. Sounds like the app solves for this thermostat's cryptic usability disadvantages.
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Jan 18, 2024 04:57 PM
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Quote from fis :
Perfect. Sounds like the app solves for this thermostat's cryptic usability disadvantages.
If you need to get into the advanced settings like cycles and type of system, turn off predictive recovery, etc you'll still set those from holding down the fan and up arrows for three seconds on the thermostat itself. But there's not much need to modify those once you set those anyway.

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Jan 18, 2024 05:08 PM
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airrichJan 18, 2024 05:08 PM
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Quote from fis :
Thanks, Jason. I have this exact thermostat in the non-WiFi version, connected to my heat pump, and have found it to be confusing but reliable. I've looked at but rejected the "smart" thermostat option, partially because our schedules aren't consistent enough to take full advantage, and partially because of the size of the hole being covered by the back plate (i.e., installing a Next would mean I'd need drywall and painting). My question for you: What does the WiFi functionality add? Just controlling it from the phone? Controlling it when I'm not at home? Notifications?


I am a HUGE fan of Amazon Warehouse, so that's no big deal at all.
The Nest came with a mounting plate that covered the entire space where my old Honeywell sat. No painting or drywall updates needed. But that was my case.

If you have the non-Wifi version, it is the same thing but you can control it from your phone. Is great for those cold nights when the wife wants you to get out of bed and trek across the house to turn up the heat.

I have gone Nest and never want to go back. I can just call out "Ok Google, what's the temperature inside the house?" or "Ok Google, set temperature between 73 and 78."

I forget whether you can control it from outside the house, but you can with with the Nest. Nice feature when you are on vacation and realize you left the AC full freeze mode.
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Quote from airrich :
The Nest came with a mounting plate that covered the entire space where my old Honeywell sat. No painting or drywall updates needed. But that was my case.
Thank you for the response. Repped. My old house has an unusually large hole, unfortunately. I actually bought a Nest once, then returned it when I realized the plate wasn't big enough and the hassle factor increased. At least with the Honeywell I know it will be a small job (and FWIW this WiFi model appears to be smart speaker compatible, too).
Jan 18, 2024 05:30 PM
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shhaggyJan 18, 2024 05:30 PM
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Quote from airrich :
Maybe you are a young-in'... But Honeywell was the industry standard for thermostats up until smart thermostats like Nest came out.

When this particular Honeywell model was released, it was rock solid. I had one installed in my house. Loved that I could control the heat or ac from the bed. I loved how we could set a temperature range (heat on when it gets this cold, ac on when it gets this hot). But when we got a new HVAC, it came with a Nest so we retired the Honeywell. I still have it in a drawer, just in case.


General thought on Honeywell... I guess they do pretty much everything from jet engines to air purifiers to thermostats. I didn't know they did lights, but hey, why not.
Those are my thoughts on Honeywell as well but I'll also say be careful when extrapolating that to modern devices. Using this logic, Polaroid and Kodak are top level when it comes to photography, but not digital photography.

My parents' home have the same mechanical Honeywell that's been there for 40 years, working perfectly with their boiler that's also 30+ years old.

But I went with Nest with my new house and haven't looked back.
Jan 18, 2024 05:48 PM
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EdEd1190Jan 18, 2024 05:48 PM
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28.53 now. But it is "Used - Like New" instead of "Used - Good"
Jan 18, 2024 06:43 PM
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coast327Jan 18, 2024 06:43 PM
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Quote from LucasB16 :
what does the led have to do with the thermostat
Really? It's another Honeywell product. It points to a quality control issue.
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supersizedkidJan 18, 2024 06:44 PM
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Just like OP I also bought 3 of these from Amazon Warehouse Deals. For me they were easy to install since I already had a C wire and old non-wifi Honeywell thermostats. So no tools involved, I just pulled the old ones off the wall and clipped the new ones into the existing wall plates. I ordered mine "used like new" and didn't have any issues with condition or missing parts.

Now some notes on using them:
*The TCC app is clunky and requires you to click SUBMIT after making any change, but has all of the functionality.
*They do connect to Alexa/Google for a better UI and voice control, but setting the temperature there seems to only be a 2 hour hold.
*As mentioned earlier in this thread, if/when Honeywell decides to stop supporting these thermostats they will revert to being exactly like my old ones where you have to use the buttons on the unit and the wifi functionality would be useless. Ideally a smart thermostat would support the Matter standard to connect directly to HomeAssistant offline, but not possible with these units.

Overall can't complain - I can control my thermostats from anywhere for $20, but when Honeywell stops supporting them they will be ewaste and I'll have to buy something new.
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gluttonneJan 18, 2024 08:16 PM
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Quote from JasonJ6420 :
If their servers were to die permanently, you could use this like a regular thermostat, by walking up to it and interacting with it and programming it just like a digital thermostat. Could you use your phone to interact with it, no. It's also one reason for going with a huge name brand that has been established in thermostats for more than 30 years. The likelihood of their servers going offline permanently is going to be pretty low.
If one were so inclined, they could also integrate with something like Home Assistant or OpenHAB. You would still use a server but it would be in your house and a number of the controls work on their own app. Also, I'm pretty sure you could do both but haven't tested this yet.

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Jan 18, 2024 09:18 PM
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gluttonneJan 18, 2024 09:18 PM
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Quote from airrich :
General thought on Honeywell... I guess they do pretty much everything from jet engines to air purifiers to thermostats. I didn't know they did lights, but hey, why not.
Yep, they have a pretty interesting history of different things. For a while, they were trying to compete with IBM and wrote an operating system called Multics. It was more secure by design than the vast majority of OSes at the time (by federal TCSEC orange book evaluation criteria). Unix (Linux comes from this for those unfamiliar) was actually named in reference to Multics and used a number of essential features - the guys who wrote it (Dennis Richie and Ken Thompson) were Multics programmers before they wrote basic Unix.

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