It is still 4k, just not native 4k. A native 4k projector is going to run you over $5-6k for one that beats this or the Epson in performance. The entry level Sony laser native 4k was beat by the Epson in the avc shootout and costs 1/2 the price
The Epson 5050 is a better projector if you are in the market at this price range and has better features for the money.
This ht8060 is 7 years old...the 5050 is 5. Epson has a way better warranty experience
Still pixel shifting
"The DLP chip inside BenQ's 4K projectors uses a technology called pixel-shifting, which can achieve true 4K resolution with 8.3 million distinct pixels."
Regarding shifter resolution, what matters is how many pixels are actually addressable versus how far you sit. Also, when native resolution increases on an imaging chip, the pixel fill gaps decreases *but* contrast ratio also decreases as a result, then you have to engineer something else in the light path to help mitigate, like an extra iris which decreases light output or using a dynamic iris which produces artifacts like brightness pumping or jarring fades from black -- something has to give especially at affordable price points
Native contrast ratio is arguably much more important than native "true" 4k resolution for most content's image depth and "pleasing" factor -- I'd way rather have a 4k shifter with much higher native contrast ratio without relying on ugly dynamic contrast techniques. Having said that, I don't begrudge folks who do PC work on projectors & want perfect 4k for text, but they're in the extreme minority.
Careful. That's the kind of argument that led to a lot of terrible quality digital cameras during the megapixel wars. It's a lot more important to focus on the quality of the output than to fixate on the technical details of how it is achieved
I haven't said a single thing about quality or clarity. I am stating the obvious deception these companies using the word true 4k to depict 4x pixel shifting 4k. And just because they use it so much that it becomes "industry standard" doesn't make it right.
The 8060 is pixel shifting a 2716x1528 panel, but it can display the full 8.3 million 4k mage. So it is True 4k.
Espon pixel shifting projectors projects a 1920x1080 image Two(4Ke) or Four Times(PRO-UHD). I am not sure if that actually displays 8.3M distinct pixels, or the same 2.1MP pixels 2 or 4 times.
Pixel shifting is pixel shifting. Just use some other terminology, I don't care how good it is. That's like saying car companies can call their 4 cylinder turbo charged engines an 8 cylinder engine because it produces as many horsepower as an 8 cylinder engine.
Again, just because they have standardize the terminology doesn't make it right.
Pixel shifting is pixel shifting. Just use some other terminology, I don't care how good it is. That's like saying car companies can call their 4 cylinder turbo charged engines an 8 cylinder engine because it produces as many horsepower as an 8 cylinder engine.
Again, just because they have standardize the terminology doesn't make it right.
"Epson's new 4-way pixel-shifting technique (4K PRO-UHD) adds an overall sense of detail and refinement to its image missing from previous-generation models. The amount of detail now present in the image is right in line with what I'm seeing from Sony and JVC native 4K projectors. That's seriously impressive when you remember that the LS12000 is using 1080p-native LCD panels.
Those worried about the LS12000 not being native 4K shouldn't. The resolution and fine detail in the image are now so good, that I don't think people will be able to tell the difference."
Having said that, deceptive marketing can totally be a problem in certain areas, see here:
There are a lot of YT'ers out there that do projector reviews and such.
My goto is "The Hook Up". His reviews are fantastic for both the casual observer and for the tech nerd who lives on the small details.
The channel has reviews of many projectors, both high end and casual.
Who's watching a 100+ inch screen up close? It urks me when people say this. Yes if you walk 3 feet up to the screen you can see the screen door effect but no one watches a 100+ inch screen from that close. I'm 14 feet away from a 138" Scope screen with a 5040UB. No one has ever mentioned seeing s screen door effect at normal seating distances.
In a regular home scenario, it does not make much difference. But I guess the point is not about watching up close. For those rare aficionados who likes to project to 160 inch and above, benq will hold its ground better in comparison to Epson as far as pixels go. You have it when/if you need it on the benq, but you may not need it.
"Epson's new 4-way pixel-shifting technique (4K PRO-UHD) adds an overall sense of detail and refinement to its image missing from previous-generation models. The amount of detail now present in the image is right in line with what I'm seeing from Sony and JVC native 4K projectors. That's seriously impressive when you remember that the LS12000 is using 1080p-native LCD panels.
Those worried about the LS12000 not being native 4K shouldn't. The resolution and fine detail in the image are now so good, that I don't think people will be able to tell the difference."
Having said that, deceptive marketing can totally be a problem in certain areas, see here:
How is it a terrible analogy???? Your statement actually supports the analogy. You are saying pixel shifting is so good, you can't tell the difference. I am not agreeing or disagreeing about the pq (I never have). I am talking about the terminology. I don't care how fast a turbocharged 4 cylinder car or how many horsepower it can produce, you can't call it a "True 8 cylinder" engine (thank goodness car companies don't).
Perhaps Sony and JVC should sue benq and other brands that use the True 4k moniker.
How is it a terrible analogy???? Your statement actually supports the analogy. You are saying pixel shifting is so good, you can't tell the difference. I am not agreeing or disagreeing about the pq (I never have). I am talking about the terminology. I don't care how fast a turbocharged 4 cylinder car or how many horsepower it can produce, you can't call it a "True 8 cylinder" engine (thank goodness car companies don't).
Perhaps Sony and JVC should sue benq and other brands that use the True 4k moniker.
Ok I get you now. It's still tough though bc let's say a company uses a native 4k chip but cheaps out on the lens which can't fully resolve it -- they could still use "true 4k" terminology based off just the chip that's in there but the result would be worse (unresolved pixels on screen) than a 4k shifter with a better lens. So all I'm saying is the whole system should be taken into account & unfortunately indeed clear terminology can be exploited no matter what
Who's watching a 100+ inch screen up close? It urks me when people say this. Yes if you walk 3 feet up to the screen you can see the screen door effect but no one watches a 100+ inch screen from that close. I'm 14 feet away from a 138" Scope screen with a 5040UB. No one has ever mentioned seeing s screen door effect at normal seating distances.
It's going to be more noticeable on larger screens of course. On my 120" screen at about 9ft going from the 6050UB to the HK2288 is night and day in games at native 4k (RTX 3080) - in most content the differences are less obvious but fine detail is still better resolved on the higher res chip.
Now if I were to compare say a typical 65" TV at a normal viewing range for a living room of about 9-10ft then going from say ~1440p to ~4k would be much less obvious.
With all that said would I take this HT8060 over the 6050UB? No. The resolution is only one factor and for most movies it's the lenses used, processing, etc. are the bottleneck not the resolution so even at 1080p x2 it still looks very good especially paired with something like MadVR for the detail enhancement. Contrast is much more important in movies overall.
I think this could be an interesting projector under $2k - it has a very good lens, is quiet (I would not call the HK2288 quiet), has decent contrast for DLP shifter (but it seems like it's a bit worse than the HK2288 which I measured at about 1800:1) and solid color especially if you were to use MadVR or similar for HDR tonemapping.
You'd be having to go north of 6k to get something better than a 5050 unfortunately
Sony's XW5000ES is a beautiful projector but unfortunately performs poorly in dark scenes. So your best bet would be finding a lightly used jvc nx7. Probably can find one around 5
What about the ls11000? That's 3800 and is supposed to be amazing.
It is still 4k, just not native 4k. A native 4k projector is going to run you over $5-6k for one that beats this or the Epson in performance. The entry level Sony laser native 4k was beat by the Epson in the avc shootout and costs 1/2 the price
The Epson 5050 is a better projector if you are in the market at this price range and has better features for the money.
This ht8060 is 7 years old...the 5050 is 5. Epson has a way better warranty experience
Benq HT4550i is a way better option than the Epson 5050. The HT4550i uses led light source rather than a bulb so it will last at least 10 years and produces way better colors than the epson and even better than the 8060. The HT4550i also is way brighter at 3200 lumens than the epsons 2600 lumens which means you can basically use it as a tv in a bright room and will still look really good. The HT4550i also has huge amounts of vertical and horizontal lens shift to help get it aligned perfectly (almost as good as the epsons).
Benq HT4550i is a way better option than the 8060 and costs the same. The HT4550i uses led light source rather than a bulb so it will last at least 10 years and produces way better colors than the 8060. The HT4550i also is way brighter at 3200 lumens than the 8060s 2600 lumens which means you can basically use it as a tv in a bright room and will still look really good. The HT4550i also has huge amounts of vertical and horizontal lens shift to help get it aligned perfectly. The HT4550i is also a "smart" projector since it comes with a android tv dongle. There's a reason why Benq is marking the 8060 down since they are probably switching all their projectors to LED.
I've had the 8050 (basically the same with minor differences) for over 5 years now. You need a light controlled room for sure & the blacks aren't as black as you may want for certain movie scenes that happen occasionally, but let me tell you the sharpness is absurd. This thing is gigantic & heavy, so keep that in mind, bc if the amazing lens. I've hit mine paired to a htpc with a graphics card doing any upscaling to 4k & even old dvds look good on a giant screen. If you can go this route do as uoscaling from 480 to 4k isn't something this projector does well, you need a graphics card doing it for you. Regular tv through it still looks great and again is very sharp.
I have the ht9050, which is mostly the same projector (but with an LED light source and without built-in HDR processing). The lens on this projector is truly incredible, the best I've ever seen. You can argue about pixel shifting vs "true 4k" etc, but the corner to corner sharpness provided by this lens makes a bigger difference in the overall image in my opinion. The fact that it's using the larger version of the 2.5k DLP chip probably helps to. Not all pixel shifting DLP projectors are created equal.
That and the color depth are the reasons I got mine, though I think the latter is mostly related to the almost unique LED setup in the 90xx series, so can't speak to this version. Never expected one of these to pop up on Slickdeals...
Did you snap one from that 2019 refurb deal? Me too. I am waiting for the 9060 refurb or even laser refurb from BenQ. The edge to edge sharpness is incredible
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The Epson 5050 is a better projector if you are in the market at this price range and has better features for the money.
This ht8060 is 7 years old...the 5050 is 5. Epson has a way better warranty experience
"The DLP chip inside BenQ's 4K projectors uses a technology called pixel-shifting, which can achieve true 4K resolution with 8.3 million distinct pixels."
https://www.benq.com/en-us/knowle...ector.
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Native contrast ratio is arguably much more important than native "true" 4k resolution for most content's image depth and "pleasing" factor -- I'd way rather have a 4k shifter with much higher native contrast ratio without relying on ugly dynamic contrast techniques. Having said that, I don't begrudge folks who do PC work on projectors & want perfect 4k for text, but they're in the extreme minority.
I haven't said a single thing about quality or clarity. I am stating the obvious deception these companies using the word true 4k to depict 4x pixel shifting 4k. And just because they use it so much that it becomes "industry standard" doesn't make it right.
Espon pixel shifting projectors projects a 1920x1080 image Two(4Ke) or Four Times(PRO-UHD). I am not sure if that actually displays 8.3M distinct pixels, or the same 2.1MP pixels 2 or 4 times.
Pixel shifting is pixel shifting. Just use some other terminology, I don't care how good it is. That's like saying car companies can call their 4 cylinder turbo charged engines an 8 cylinder engine because it produces as many horsepower as an 8 cylinder engine.
Again, just because they have standardize the terminology doesn't make it right.
Again, just because they have standardize the terminology doesn't make it right.
From https://hometheaterrevi
"Epson's new 4-way pixel-shifting technique (4K PRO-UHD) adds an overall sense of detail and refinement to its image missing from previous-generation models. The amount of detail now present in the image is right in line with what I'm seeing from Sony and JVC native 4K projectors. That's seriously impressive when you remember that the LS12000 is using 1080p-native LCD panels.
Those worried about the LS12000 not being native 4K shouldn't. The resolution and fine detail in the image are now so good, that I don't think people will be able to tell the difference."
Having said that, deceptive marketing can totally be a problem in certain areas, see here:
https://www.projectorce
I'm sure it's a nice projector but, would never spend that kind of money without it....
My goto is "The Hook Up". His reviews are fantastic for both the casual observer and for the tech nerd who lives on the small details.
The channel has reviews of many projectors, both high end and casual.
https://youtube.com/@TheHookUp?si..
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From https://hometheaterrevi
"Epson's new 4-way pixel-shifting technique (4K PRO-UHD) adds an overall sense of detail and refinement to its image missing from previous-generation models. The amount of detail now present in the image is right in line with what I'm seeing from Sony and JVC native 4K projectors. That's seriously impressive when you remember that the LS12000 is using 1080p-native LCD panels.
Those worried about the LS12000 not being native 4K shouldn't. The resolution and fine detail in the image are now so good, that I don't think people will be able to tell the difference."
Having said that, deceptive marketing can totally be a problem in certain areas, see here:
https://www.projectorce
Perhaps Sony and JVC should sue benq and other brands that use the True 4k moniker.
Perhaps Sony and JVC should sue benq and other brands that use the True 4k moniker.
Now if I were to compare say a typical 65" TV at a normal viewing range for a living room of about 9-10ft then going from say ~1440p to ~4k would be much less obvious.
With all that said would I take this HT8060 over the 6050UB? No. The resolution is only one factor and for most movies it's the lenses used, processing, etc. are the bottleneck not the resolution so even at 1080p x2 it still looks very good especially paired with something like MadVR for the detail enhancement. Contrast is much more important in movies overall.
I think this could be an interesting projector under $2k - it has a very good lens, is quiet (I would not call the HK2288 quiet), has decent contrast for DLP shifter (but it seems like it's a bit worse than the HK2288 which I measured at about 1800:1) and solid color especially if you were to use MadVR or similar for HDR tonemapping.
Sony's XW5000ES is a beautiful projector but unfortunately performs poorly in dark scenes. So your best bet would be finding a lightly used jvc nx7. Probably can find one around 5
The Epson 5050 is a better projector if you are in the market at this price range and has better features for the money.
This ht8060 is 7 years old...the 5050 is 5. Epson has a way better warranty experience
Benq HT4550i is a way better option than the Epson 5050. The HT4550i uses led light source rather than a bulb so it will last at least 10 years and produces way better colors than the epson and even better than the 8060. The HT4550i also is way brighter at 3200 lumens than the epsons 2600 lumens which means you can basically use it as a tv in a bright room and will still look really good. The HT4550i also has huge amounts of vertical and horizontal lens shift to help get it aligned perfectly (almost as good as the epsons).
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That and the color depth are the reasons I got mine, though I think the latter is mostly related to the almost unique LED setup in the 90xx series, so can't speak to this version. Never expected one of these to pop up on Slickdeals...
Did you snap one from that 2019 refurb deal? Me too. I am waiting for the 9060 refurb or even laser refurb from BenQ. The edge to edge sharpness is incredible