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expiredforenzo posted Feb 23, 2024 06:09 PM
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The main reason the i3 and i5 exist is due to yield. In many fabs, all the processors start out at the highest tier and the ones that don't qualify to be an "i7" get cut down to produce the i5 or i3. The alternative to this is simply throw them away.
A 14th Gen i3 has roughly as much processing power as a 10th Gen i7, while using less power and having more features. At the same time, a 14th Gen i5 gives 13th Gen i7s a run for their money.
Name one other product where the model that costs almost four times less begins to outclass the upper tier model in a span of four years, if ever.
Your analogy doesn't work, simply because none of these models are old. They all exist in the same generation, with the same architectural features and the "chassis" (in this case, the motherboard) is compatible with every single model.
By your analogy, it would be equivalent to being able to take the engine and drivetrain off a Lexus, swap it into a Corolla, and still end up with a Lexus at the end of it.
The i5 is perfectly adequate for most games, especially when they're console ports that are mostly GPU bound.
Different processors serve different segments and there's a ton of overlap which I guarantee you would not care about if it weren't for benchmarks.
Saying the i7 should be the baseline just means Intel would have to put out an i11 to top the i9 that already exists.
Wait, you know about the i9, right?
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Their keyboards on the other hand, leave a lot to be desired. My 1st one had 3 letter keys that did not work. I called them and got a free replacement shipped in 2 weeks. The 2nd one occasionally had a spacebar that wouldn't register so I would have two words be together without a space in-between.
Last Tuesday I bought a $0.99 MS keyboard from a thrift store that I'm currently typing with. I saved the CyberPowerPC keyboard as a backup.
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Usually an i5 of a new generation can beat an i7 one gen older like the 13600K vs the 12700K (let's ignore RPL-R). I am also sure Arrowlake's 15600K will beat a 14700K at least in gaming and ST workloads.
Laptop CPUs are completely power limited so they tend to fall way short of their desktop counterparts. Couple that with a laptop's disadvantages in cooling and you have a much lower clocked CPU.
The way memory works these days is that, in tandem, you get more performance out of them (dual channel mode).
Some motherboards are fine with enabling this feature as long as you match the capacity, while others will permit the feature if it's manually enabled, but all motherboards are guaranteed to enable this feature automatically with matched pairs. The latter is the safest option for someone who isn't knowledgeable enough to be tinkering in the BIOS settings.
Usually an i5 of a new generation can beat an i7 one gen older like the 13600K vs the 12700K (let's ignore RPL-R). I am also sure Arrowlake's 15600K will beat a 14700K at least in gaming and ST workloads.
Laptop CPUs are completely power limited so they tend to fall way short of their desktop counterparts. Couple that with a laptop's disadvantages in cooling and you have a much lower clocked CPU.
Even when you aren't comparing apples to oranges between desktop and mobile processors, it's important to acknowledge that there's architectural and performance improvements between generations of processors in the same class.
I hadn't considered that the guy you're responding to was of the mindset that i5 is the mobile model and i7 is the desktop model, but I don't think that's what they were saying.
The bottom line is that a 14th Gen mobile processor will easily run laps around previous Gen mobile processors, but they also contend with older desktop processors too.
However, desktop and mobile processors also serve distinct purposes, even if you opt for some of these "desktop replacement" laptops that are pushing close to 10lbs.
Even when you aren't comparing apples to oranges between desktop and mobile processors, it's important to acknowledge that there's architectural and performance improvements between generations of processors in the same class.
I hadn't considered that the guy you're responding to was of the mindset that i5 is the mobile model and i7 is the desktop model, but I don't think that's what they were saying.
The bottom line is that a 14th Gen mobile processor will easily run laps around previous Gen mobile processors, but they also contend with older desktop processors too.
However, desktop and mobile processors also serve distinct purposes, even if you opt for some of these "desktop replacement" laptops that are pushing close to 10lbs.
14th Gen Mobile is Meteorlake… 14th Gen Desktop is Raptorlake-R…. Integrated graphics aside, the actual compute performance of Meteorlake vs RPL Laptop is negligible. The top end sku for Meteorlake only has 6 P-Cores. There are power efficiency gains that are good but that's the only thing Meteorlake has going for it. There is a reason why Meteorlake isn't coming to desktop, the performance is a joke. Just check out the reviews, less IPC ST performance than Raptorlake (13th Gen).
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The i5 is perfectly adequate for most games, especially when they're console ports that are mostly GPU bound.
Different processors serve different segments and there's a ton of overlap which I guarantee you would not care about if it weren't for benchmarks.
Saying the i7 should be the baseline just means Intel would have to put out an i11 to top the i9 that already exists.
Wait, you know about the i9, right?
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