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Pioneer 12000 BTU 20.8 SEER2 Ductless Mini Split Air Conditioner Heat Pump System

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Home Depot has Pioneer 12000 BTU 1-Ton 20.8 SEER2 Ductless Mini Split Air Conditioner Heat Pump Variable Speed DC Inverter+ System (110/120V, WYS012AMFI20RL-16) on sale for $708. Select free ship to store for pickup where available.

Home Depot also has Pioneer 12000 BTU 1-Ton 21.4 SEER2 Ductless Mini Split Air Conditioner Heat Pump Variable Speed DC Inverter+ System (208/230V, WYS012GMFI20RL-16) on sale for $689. Select free ship to store for pickup where available.

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Home Depot has Pioneer 12000 BTU 1-Ton 20.8 SEER2 Ductless Mini Split Air Conditioner Heat Pump Variable Speed DC Inverter+ System (110/120V, WYS012AMFI20RL-16) on sale for $708. Select free ship to store for pickup where available.

Home Depot also has Pioneer 12000 BTU 1-Ton 21.4 SEER2 Ductless Mini Split Air Conditioner Heat Pump Variable Speed DC Inverter+ System (208/230V, WYS012GMFI20RL-16) on sale for $689. Select free ship to store for pickup where available.

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Mar 17, 2024 2:25 PM
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max1800Mar 17, 2024 2:25 PM
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Anyone know if WIFI can be added?
Mar 17, 2024 2:37 PM
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odie91Mar 17, 2024 2:37 PM
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For those of you looking to use these for heat. I installed the 120V 12k BTU low ambient version last winter. It heats great to about the mid 20's, even though the spec states it's rated to negative -15F. At 25F ambient, it pulls about 600 watts on full blast, and pulls around 200-400 watts when it's running more on steady state. I did invest in a micron gage and nitrogen since I knew I was going to install 3 or 4 of these eventually. I also removed the valve core when vacuuming, even though most of the DIY Youtuber's don't. Flaring the copper took some trial and error, and I did use a torque wrench. I believe the heat stresses the system more than running A/C, so I'm pretty confident the summer will go fine, but I'll be interested to see how many years I get out of this....
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Mar 17, 2024 2:41 PM
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odie91Mar 17, 2024 2:41 PM
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Quote from max1800 View quoted comment :
Anyone know if WIFI can be added?
Yes. I bought my wifi module after the fact, and install was easy.
Mar 17, 2024 2:54 PM
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Mopar400Mar 17, 2024 2:54 PM
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Would this one be a better deal as I think it qualifies for tax credit?


https://www.homedepot.com/p/Pione.../321360439
Mar 17, 2024 2:54 PM
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superslickzMar 17, 2024 2:54 PM
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Quote from odie91 View quoted comment :
For those of you looking to use these for heat. I installed the 120V 12k BTU low ambient version last winter. It heats great to about the mid 20's, even though the spec states it's rated to negative -15F. At 25F ambient, it pulls about 600 watts on full blast, and pulls around 200-400 watts when it's running more on steady state. I did invest in a micron gage and nitrogen since I knew I was going to install 3 or 4 of these eventually. I also removed the valve core when vacuuming, even though most of the DIY Youtuber's don't. Flaring the copper took some trial and error, and I did use a torque wrench. I believe the heat stresses the system more than running A/C, so I'm pretty confident the summer will go fine, but I'll be interested to see how many years I get out of this....
Do you know how many watts this pull when running on AC (preferably without any of those modifications you are talking about)?
Mar 17, 2024 2:58 PM
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MichaelIvMar 17, 2024 2:58 PM
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Quote from GAthens View quoted comment :
We've successfully installed 3 Senville units. How does the Pioneer unit compare to Senville in terms of
- ease of installation
- durability
?

Thanks!
I think they're exactly the same unit, just different label on them. They're rebranded Midea units.
If you look at them they look the same including remote. They also use same app for control.
Mar 17, 2024 3:01 PM
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Banana_FlyMar 17, 2024 3:01 PM
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Quote from IndigoTexture397 View quoted comment :
Looks like Pioneer has a solution for pulling a vacuum on these units, and it is cheap.

I have not tried it. I don't know if this evacuated can has the volume to pull the correct vacuum on this line set or not. Just found it interesting that is is something HD recommends for the purchase.

https://www.homedepot.com/p/Pione.../314537728

The Mr Cool DIY system I installed a couple years ago was extremely simple, the lines on those a systems come with the vacuum already pulled, opening the valve pierces the end and allow the freon to charge the line.. (Provided you can cut a hole through the wall and wire a dedicated 220v circuit.)
It is just to clean the old lineset, flash out old oil… there is no other solution but to go and buy vacuum pump. 3cfm 2 stage Harbor freight vacuum pump pulls as low at 8 microns, in real life it pulled 160 microns while installing a mini split, which is great for a budget $140 pump. For proper installation you will need a torque wrench, flaring tool set, proper HVAC manifold for 410a to measure the final pressures (Pioneer requires to write it down in the manual for warranty), and a digital vacuum gauge for a standing vacuum test. You can sure do a hack job without vacuuming and torque wrench, some people just purge air by releasing R410a (which is illegal), but I'm talking about proper steps that are outlined in the installation manual. Don't forget a dedicated circuit breaker required for mini split and a disconnect that it is installed next to the outdoor unit. It is required by code, 120v or 240v. In general this is why 120v units don't make much sense - 240v are more efficient and require the same effort to install. If what I'm saying makes no sense to you you need to watch more YouTube videos
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Mar 17, 2024 3:24 PM
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odie91Mar 17, 2024 3:24 PM
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Quote from superslickz View quoted comment :
Do you know how many watts this pull when running on AC (preferably without any of those modifications you are talking about)?
It's going to pull less running A/C, compared to heat. But I will let you know. Keep in mind, I got the 12K btu. I also have the Low Ambient, which might be less efficient (but is rated for lower ambient temperatures)

I didn't make any mods that will affect efficiency. The things I mentioned are just what I did to have a more reliable install. Since these are disposable units, I might not have invested in the extra tools if I knew I was only going to install one, TBH. Micron gage was about $100, nitrogen tank and valve $100, pump (free to rent, or spend $40-$150). Valve core removal tool $80. Flaring tools $20-100 (or rent from auto store -- I believe the Pioneer uses same flange angle as automotive lines). Torque wrench $30-100.
Mar 17, 2024 3:44 PM
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funkadunk8Mar 17, 2024 3:44 PM
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Not a cold climate heat pump, will only give you about 50-60% of your btus at 17F, so dont rely on this alone for heating
Mar 17, 2024 3:54 PM
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Ride_The_SkyMar 17, 2024 3:54 PM
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This looks identical to other brands like gree I think. Remote is similar and I think factory makes this and sellers put their own name.
Mar 17, 2024 3:57 PM
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nikoli707Mar 17, 2024 3:57 PM
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If you are mechanically inclined you can probably install 98% of it yourself until you need a technician with a line set to properly vacuum it down. Also maybe an electrician to finish the disconnect. Otherwise its pretty basic.
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DonV1962Mar 17, 2024 4:13 PM
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Quote from iota View quoted comment :
I have purchased and installed multiple Pioneer units from eBay seller HIGHSEER which I suspect is also the seller of these items on home depot.

The pioneer units are great. They are nearly identical to other pre-charged mini splits so I suspect that they are all made in the same factory.

Installation is easy if you are a DIY'er enough to know how to drill a hole all the way through an exterior wall and how to handle wiring up basic 220v electrical. I imagine that the cost to have a pro install would be $500-$1000 depending on your area.

My oldest Pioneer unit has been running for 7 years and started to not cool as much. I had an HVAC guy come out and he said it was low on refrigerant and added some. I would suspect that my DIY install resulted in a minor slow leak somewhere but otherwise my units have all run great without issue. We use them in outbuildings on our large property.

There are multiple versions / editions of wifi controllers available for these units, the latest ones which use the Midea Air app seem to be the best. You can get parts and controllers on Amazon or Highseer eBay.

Install a line hider as you do the initial install or you'll find it's a pain to do later. Also don't forget when measuring your line length that you need to go through the wall and have extra to tuck in around the indoor and outdoor units; a 16' line set should be enough for anything on a standard house as long as the outdoor unit is on the other side of the wall as the indoor unit. You can shorten the line if needed.

You'll need a vacuum pump and an adapter. Adapter can be found on Amazon (forgive me I forgot the size but I want to say 5/16?) and vacuum pump can be rented or borrowed from an auto parts store for free or cheap.

The units come pre charged with refrigerant (Freon or whatever you call it locally). After you connect the indoor and outdoor unit with the supplied line and it's all tight, you attach a vacuum pump to a little service port on the outdoor unit and run it to basically draw out any moisture or air in the line. Run it for 4x as long as the install manual tells you to.

After that you unhook the vacuum pump, turn a valve which releases the stored refrigerant inside of the outdoor unit into the line, and you're ready to go.

These things rule
Greatly appreciated and very helpful comments but I am going to be greedy in despartion and ask for more.

Can you fill me in on the differences between these two units? Specifically to be installed in central Maryland. I am guessing that the low ambient is for colder climates but you sacrifice some energy efficiency. We get a very cold spells but they are typically short lived. Unit is to heat a finished basement that we may spend a good bit of time in during work days

https://www.homedepot.com/p/Pione.../322261063

https://www.homedepot.com/p/Pione.../326231281
Last edited by DonV1962 March 17, 2024 at 09:15 AM.
Mar 17, 2024 4:33 PM
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jkloisdafoiwdafMar 17, 2024 4:33 PM
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Quote from DonV1962 View quoted comment :
Greatly appreciated and very helpful comments but I am going to be greedy in despartion and ask for more.

Can you fill me in on the differences between these two units? Specifically to be installed in central Maryland. I am guessing that the low ambient is for colder climates but you sacrifice some energy efficiency. We get a very cold spells but they are typically short lived. Unit is to heat a finished basement that we may spend a good bit of time in during work days

https://www.homedepot.com/p/Pione.../322261063

https://www.homedepot.com/p/Pione.../326231281
WYS vs WYT series
Mar 17, 2024 4:40 PM
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sonofbusterMar 17, 2024 4:40 PM
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Quote from iota View quoted comment :
I have purchased and installed multiple Pioneer units from eBay seller HIGHSEER which I suspect is also the seller of these items on home depot.

The pioneer units are great. They are nearly identical to other pre-charged mini splits so I suspect that they are all made in the same factory.

Installation is easy if you are a DIY'er enough to know how to drill a hole all the way through an exterior wall and how to handle wiring up basic 220v electrical. I imagine that the cost to have a pro install would be $500-$1000 depending on your area.

My oldest Pioneer unit has been running for 7 years and started to not cool as much. I had an HVAC guy come out and he said it was low on refrigerant and added some. I would suspect that my DIY install resulted in a minor slow leak somewhere but otherwise my units have all run great without issue. We use them in outbuildings on our large property.

There are multiple versions / editions of wifi controllers available for these units, the latest ones which use the Midea Air app seem to be the best. You can get parts and controllers on Amazon or Highseer eBay.

Install a line hider as you do the initial install or you'll find it's a pain to do later. Also don't forget when measuring your line length that you need to go through the wall and have extra to tuck in around the indoor and outdoor units; a 16' line set should be enough for anything on a standard house as long as the outdoor unit is on the other side of the wall as the indoor unit. You can shorten the line if needed.

You'll need a vacuum pump and an adapter. Adapter can be found on Amazon (forgive me I forgot the size but I want to say 5/16?) and vacuum pump can be rented or borrowed from an auto parts store for free or cheap.

The units come pre charged with refrigerant (Freon or whatever you call it locally). After you connect the indoor and outdoor unit with the supplied line and it's all tight, you attach a vacuum pump to a little service port on the outdoor unit and run it to basically draw out any moisture or air in the line. Run it for 4x as long as the install manual tells you to.

After that you unhook the vacuum pump, turn a valve which releases the stored refrigerant inside of the outdoor unit into the line, and you're ready to go.

These things rule
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Quote from jkloisdafoiwdaf View quoted comment :
WYS vs WYT series
That doesn't help me. Need to know the how and why one may be better for my application.
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