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(Factory Refurb) 13” Microsoft Surface Pro 9 2-in-1 Touch Tablet: i5-1235U, 8GB RAM, 256GB SSD, 2880x1920 $630 + free s/h

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BeigeGame7446
03-20-2024 at 11:54 AM.
03-20-2024 at 11:54 AM.
These Surface deals are getting too good to ignore, especially when Windows is a damn sight better than iPadOS for anything other than Grandma and Grandpa use
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03-20-2024 at 01:21 PM.
03-20-2024 at 01:21 PM.
8gb of ram??? Isn't that what everyone says when a Mac laptop deal pops up?
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nelsond54
03-20-2024 at 01:33 PM.
03-20-2024 at 01:33 PM.
I know these are not for gaming buuuut my surface laptop can handle gaming pretty. Could this play diablo 4?
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Elon69
03-20-2024 at 01:42 PM.
03-20-2024 at 01:42 PM.
Omg!!! 8GB. The horror. And 16Gb is $300 more??? wtf is going on here.

Microsoft is upping apple's game by going even more expensive on memory upgrades???
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Elon69
03-20-2024 at 01:48 PM.
03-20-2024 at 01:48 PM.
Battery is still pretty lame and power. I do love the form factor but battery is too low for me when I tried to use it all day.
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BlueDesk9616
03-20-2024 at 01:50 PM.
03-20-2024 at 01:50 PM.
Quote from nelsond54 :
I know these are not for gaming buuuut my surface laptop can handle gaming pretty. Could this play diablo 4?
Most games run fine at 720p low - medium settings on the 1235U chip. I don't have the Surface Pro 9 but I do have this same chip in another PC. I would say it's a chip that's better for productivity but incidentally does run games okay. I certainly would not buy it for games unless you are mainly interested in less graphically demanding games or 10+ year old games which it does quite well. If you want a tablet that does games exceedingly well you should be looking at the Asus Z13.

But yes, Surface Pro will play Diablo IV. I've seen videos of it running at 60fps at 900p with FSR enabled.
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03-20-2024 at 04:30 PM.
03-20-2024 at 04:30 PM.
Quote from Elon69 :
Omg!!! 8GB. The horror. And 16Gb is $300 more??? wtf is going on here.

Microsoft is upping apple's game by going even more expensive on memory upgrades???
Don't act so surprised. The RAM pricing tiers haven't changed in the ten years that they've been selling Surface devices.
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03-20-2024 at 05:02 PM.
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Quote from dougpaw57 :
Don't act so surprised. The RAM pricing tiers haven't changed in the ten years that they've been selling Surface devices.

I was just reverse trolling people that comes in and complain about $200 Mac memory upgrades but fine with Microsoft $300 for the same upgrade. Smilie
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03-20-2024 at 06:28 PM.
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new surface coming out.. supposed to have fancy AI ... might wanna wait until there are more detail reviews before hopping on older surface products
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03-20-2024 at 06:32 PM.
03-20-2024 at 06:32 PM.
Quote from BeigeGame7446 :
These Surface deals are getting too good to ignore, especially when Windows is a damn sight better than iPadOS for anything other than Grandma and Grandpa use
look at amazon used for asus z13 flow, better performance and specs
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03-20-2024 at 07:09 PM.
03-20-2024 at 07:09 PM.
Quote from TransTeam :
new surface coming out.. supposed to have fancy AI ... might wanna wait until there are more detail reviews before hopping on older surface products
Are you referring to the Intel Ultra chips? Youtuber's testing showed the Core Ultra chips are not good and slower than many of the existing Intel chips. Also 7nm lol....

the AI power Gaudi3 is said to be servers running the xenon class chips and for inferencing server farms and not for "desktops"


I don't think Intel will make anything useful, all desktop based AI work is GPU driven such as the case for nvidia and apple silicon where local LLMs are driven on the GPUs because there is just more GPU processing powers available. even Apple silicon's neuro engine isn't use that much, and local LLMs only use the apple silicon GPUs today too.

can use CPU but it kills the machine like crazy where GPU use allows you to run regular apps still simultaneously without any impact as long as you don't need major GPU power while inferencing is running.

Until Intel can make a great integrated GPU which it still cannot, it's gonna be pretty bad in the desktop AI space and will rely on software like co-pilot from Microsoft which is available on today's CPUs
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03-20-2024 at 07:15 PM.
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look at amazon used for asus z13 flow, better performance and specs
Read the reviews, horrible reliability, terrible battery life. Keyboards don't last a year, and you can't buy them separately like a Surface.
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03-21-2024 at 09:25 AM.
03-21-2024 at 09:25 AM.
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Read the reviews, horrible reliability, terrible battery life. Keyboards don't last a year, and you can't buy them separately like a Surface.
The reviews for the Asus z13 are actually quite good. It's in a class of its own as it really defines the "gaming tablet" form factor.

You are correct that the battery life stinks though on the z13. When PC Mag tested video streaming battery life the Surface Pro 9 lasted 13 hours whereas the z13 lasted only 6.

The only other option to get an RTX series GPU in a tablet-like device though is the Surface Laptop Studio, which is very expensive and in some significant ways worse (the screen!) than the Asus z13.
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03-21-2024 at 06:53 PM.
03-21-2024 at 06:53 PM.
Quote from Elon69 :
Are you referring to the Intel Ultra chips? Youtuber's testing showed the Core Ultra chips are not good and slower than many of the existing Intel chips. Also 7nm lol....

the AI power Gaudi3 is said to be servers running the xenon class chips and for inferencing server farms and not for "desktops"


I don't think Intel will make anything useful, all desktop based AI work is GPU driven such as the case for nvidia and apple silicon where local LLMs are driven on the GPUs because there is just more GPU processing powers available. even Apple silicon's neuro engine isn't use that much, and local LLMs only use the apple silicon GPUs today too.

can use CPU but it kills the machine like crazy where GPU use allows you to run regular apps still simultaneously without any impact as long as you don't need major GPU power while inferencing is running.

Until Intel can make a great integrated GPU which it still cannot, it's gonna be pretty bad in the desktop AI space and will rely on software like co-pilot from Microsoft which is available on today's CPUs

yup. when they first hinted integrating AI, i thought it would have been interesting.. if the reviews are poor.. guess no point of having a 7nm slow as balls and power hungry chip. surface 9 it is!

although, the anti glare matte finish, i think it was.. kinda neat.

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Today, we're introducing our latest devices, built exclusively for business, the Microsoft Surface Pro 10 and Surface Laptop 6. We designed these products from the ground up with direct input from our business customers, incorporating requested features ranging from enhanced connectivity options to advanced security and performance capabilities. These are our first AI PCs powered by the newest Intel Core Ultra processors, with a brand-new CPU and GPU, as well as an integrated neural processing unit - or NPU – for efficiently delivering AI acceleration. Engineered to work seamlessly with Copilot and Windows 11 Pro, Surface Pro 10 when paired with the new Surface Pro Keyboard and Surface Laptop 6 introduce a dedicated Copilot key1 that makes accessing generative AI experiences a click away.
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