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2023 Fisker Ocean Trim price cuts STARTS MARCH 29th
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2023 Fisker Ocean Trim price cuts STARTS MARCH 29th
Previous MSR. New MSRP Price. Difference.
Ocean Sport $38,999 $24,999 -$14,000
Ocean Ultra $52,999 $34,999 -$18,000
Ocean Extreme $61,499 $37,499 -$24,000
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Previous MSR. New MSRP Price. Difference.
Ocean Sport $38,999 $24,999 -$14,000
Ocean Ultra $52,999 $34,999 -$18,000
Ocean Extreme $61,499 $37,499 -$24,000
https://www.fiskerinc.c
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2023 Fisker Ocean Trim price cuts STARTS MARCH 29th
Previous MSR. New MSRP Price. Difference.
Ocean Sport $38,999 $24,999 -$14,000
Ocean Ultra $52,999 $34,999 -$18,000
Ocean Extreme $61,499 $37,499 -$24,000
https://www.fiskerinc.c
Previous MSR. New MSRP Price. Difference.
Ocean Sport $38,999 $24,999 -$14,000
Ocean Ultra $52,999 $34,999 -$18,000
Ocean Extreme $61,499 $37,499 -$24,000
https://www.fiskerinc.c
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Oh im referring to all you "EV is bad" "battery is bad" electricity is bad" dingbats.
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A money losing product
Warranty obligations to existing owners
A brand name associated with bankruptcy.
Why would anyone buy that?
Why would they be? Magna is just a contract manufacturer- they have no obligation to whomever Fisker resells what Magna assembled for them.
If Apple went out of business you wouldn't get warranty service from Foxconn.
As to your service tech, where he's going is the unemployment line, even if he hasn't been told that yet.
Yeah, they're burning cash like crazy, but so was Tesla.!
Amazon owns a relatively small % of Rivian, and already cut back on van orders
And Tesla was gross margin positive from the begining when mass producing-- the more cars they made and sold the quicker they got beyond the cash burn rate of expanding.
Rivian in contrast -loses- money on each vehicle with a negative gross margin-- the more they sell the more they lose. That's part of why they've announced they don't intend to increase sales at all this year-- they can't afford to.
And while both companies burned cash, Rivian is doing is at an insanely higher rate.
Like, Rivian burned through more cash in 2 years than Tesla did in 10.
Does your home not have electricity? Because that's where most EV owners charge. Overnight while they sleep, for a fraction of what gas costs.
government is going to have to fund all EV stations.
to make 1 Level 3 charging station in CA is roughly $500k - $1 million $125-175k for the unit itself,
https://electrek.co/2022/04/15/te...mpetition/
Big 18 wheel truck trying to go cross country delivering goods. Diesel let's them run 1000-1500 miles, batteries less than 500.
.
Truckers are only allowed to drive 60 hours total in 7 days. And have to take a mandatory 10 hours off between shifts. And 30 minutes off every 8 hours. More than plenty enough time to recharge a 500 mile range semi. And at vastly lower operating costs.
Toyota is aiming at 2027 EVs with high range batteries.
Toyota has been promising MAGIC SUPER BATTERIES for over 15 years now, coming in just 3-5 years.
Then every 2-3 years they push the target date out another few years.
They have no such tech capable of being produced- they just keep issuing press releases to scare people into not trying out EVs and realizing how much better they are since Toyota has nothing competitive to sell in the space.
Someone doesn't know how nearly all hydrogen is made
Even the chief engineer of Toyotas own hydrogen car admitted EVs are superior.
EVs on the other hand is much more harmful than gas cars, but the pollution stays outside US and EU, so it is "clean".
The share pillar thing was V1 and V2 superchargers, which Tesla hasn't made or installed in many years now.... and even THEN it still charged 3-5 times faster than L2 when it dropped to half speed.
V3 and V4 chargers- ie everything installed in the last 5ish years and the majority of all stations, don't even have that slowdown.
https://www.tesla.com/blog/introd...erchar
Again though- most people just charge at home.
Superchargers are only really needed on road trips (or I guess if you want to own an EV but don't have electricity at home you can use)
Nope. Your tax obligation is no longer relevant as of Jan 1 2024.
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Why keep reposting outright false things? They're significantly better than gasoline vehicles- and get more better the longer they're in use
Teslas do not.
some need there gear fluid changed,
I think I recall BMW or Mercedes or someone had added a bunch of ICE-like maintenance costs to their EVs to keep dealers happy-- but properly engineers EVs don't need this stuff.
They do of course need the brake fluid changed over time--- but even then less often than a gas car (like the pads and rotors) because you physically use the brakes less often thanks to regen. And shocks are shocks so eventually they'll wear out like any car.
The government has wasted billions pumping into legacy auto to make inferior evs. Pretty sure they could have just bought everyone a Tesla for about the same price.
And of course, that's all separate from the idea of financially supporting a... let's be charitable and say "unstable" CEO which may be an issue for some.
They do have a good charging network though, I'll give them that.
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also the fact that this had to be listed as "Fisker (Car Company) in the title says everything you need to know lol.
Imagine a post that says "Apple (Computer company)"
Nope. Unlike the Karma, which was something Fisker designed and actually built, the new Fisker doesn't own, or build, anything at all. They contract it out. So "buying" them wouldn't "get" the buyer anything at all besides:
A money losing product
Warranty obligations to existing owners
A brand name associated with bankruptcy.
Why would anyone buy that?
Why would they be? Magna is just a contract manufacturer- they have no obligation to whomever Fisker resells what Magna assembled for them.
If Apple went out of business you wouldn't get warranty service from Foxconn.
As to your service tech, where he's going is the unemployment line, even if he hasn't been told that yet.
Amazon owns a relatively small % of Rivian, and already cut back on van orders
And Tesla was gross margin positive from the begining when mass producing-- the more cars they made and sold the quicker they got beyond the cash burn rate of expanding.
Rivian in contrast -loses- money on each vehicle with a negative gross margin-- the more they sell the more they lose. That's part of why they've announced they don't intend to increase sales at all this year-- they can't afford to.
And while both companies burned cash, Rivian is doing is at an insanely higher rate.
Like, Rivian burned through more cash in 2 years than Tesla did in 10.
Does your home not have electricity? Because that's where most EV owners charge. Overnight while they sleep, for a fraction of what gas costs.
The majority of L3 stations in the US are Tesla stations-- which the government hasn't funded (barring a very very few very recent ones).
Only garbage non-tesla ones. Tesla ones cost 1/5th of the competition- which is part of why they dominate and don't need a ton of government subsidy-- they pay for themselves a lot quicker.
https://electrek.co/2022/04/15/te...mpetition/
Truckers are only allowed to drive 60 hours total in 70 days. And have to take a mandatory 10 hours off between shifts. More than plenty enough time to recharge a 500 mile range semi. And at vastly lower operating costs.
Toyota has been promising MAGIC SUPER BATTERIES for over 15 years now, coming in just 3-5 years.
Then every 2-3 years they push the target date out another few years.
They have no such tech capable of being produced- they just keep issuing press releases to scare people into not trying out EVs and realizing how much better they are since Toyota has nothing competetive to sell in the space.
Someone doesn't know how nearly all hydrogen is made
Even the chief engineer of Toyotas own hydrogen car admitted EVs are superior.
Outright false and debunked many times.
They are. In record numbers each year.
Hilariously false.
The share pillar thing was V1 and V2 superchargers, which Tesla hasn't made or installed in many years now.... and even THEN it still charged 3-5 times faster than L2 when it dropped to half speed.
V3 and V4 chargers- ie everything installed in the last 5ish years and the majority of all stations, don't even have that slowdown.
https://www.tesla.com/blog/introd...erchar
That's from the V3 launch press release over 5 years ago.
Again though- most people just charge at home.
Superchargers are only really needed on road trips (or I guess if you want to own an EV but don't have electricity at home you can use)
Which is they they'll be the Nokia of cars as history records them.
Leasing gets around the income limit FYI
Nope. Your tax obligation is no longer relevant as of Jan 1 2024.
Again- no. Amount of tax obligation stopped being relevant 1/1/24
Why keep reposting outright false things? They're significantly better than gasoline vehicles- and get more better the longer they're in use
Teslas do not.
Again Teslas do no.
I think I recall BMW or Mercedes or someone had added a bunch of ICE-like maintenance costs to their EVs to keep dealers happy-- but properly engineers EVs don't need this stuff.
They do of course need the brake fluid changed over time--- but even then less often than a gas car (like the pads and rotors) because you physically use the brakes less often thanks to regen. And shocks are shocks so eventually they'll wear out like any car.
The problem with EV is what makes it exciting and a certainly. ... Evolving technology. Battery tech is moving fast and within a decade it WILL finally kick ice out. Right now though? It's like buying an Intel Mac right before ARM Mac... Usable? Yes. But nobody wants them.
Why do you think it doesn't?
You can get both L1 and l2 safe extension cords quite easily. They're more expensive than a cheap big lots extension cord, because you need thicker gauge wire to be safe- but not prohibitively so.
Not L3, but then nobody has one of those at home anyway.
Mind you, roughly 2/3rds of the US population lives in a detached single family home where you shouldn't need one unless you somehow have a really weirdly-tiny number/location of outlets... and then another chunk lives in places like duplexes and apartments with garages they can charge in... so the # of folks who legit can not charge at home is a small minority of the population. For that small minority they DO need either public chargers (or work ones, which is becoming more of a thing) right now-- though many apartment complexes are starting to realize there's some competitive benefit to offering charging to tenants as well.
In 2023 roughly 1 in every 5 new vehicles was an EV worldwide. In 2024 it'll be even higher.... (though admittedly the US has been a laggard in adoption- but even then the rate keeps going up year after year)
You can turn sentry off of course- then you're no "worse" off than any other car that doesn't even have the feature. And it turns itself off if the battery gets down to 20%.
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