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SABRENT 10 Bay 3.5” SATA Hard Drive Tray Less Docking Station

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Amazon has SABRENT 10 Bay 3.5" SATA Hard Drive Tray Less Docking Station (DS-UCTB) on sale for $398.38 when you apply promo code 200XUCTB during checkout. Shipping is free.

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  • USB 3.2 Gen2 Type-C port supports transfer speeds of up to 10 Gbps
  • 10x SATA 6 Gbit/s 3.5" hard drive tray-less bays
  • Hot-Swappable with 10 independent ON/OFF power switches
  • Two 120mm fans for additional cooling capability
  • Note: This multi-bay station does NOT have built in RAID functionality. However, software RAID configurations are possible

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Update: This popular deal is available again with a new promo code.

Amazon has SABRENT 10 Bay 3.5" SATA Hard Drive Tray Less Docking Station (DS-UCTB) on sale for $398.38 when you apply promo code 200XUCTB during checkout. Shipping is free.

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About this Item:
  • USB 3.2 Gen2 Type-C port supports transfer speeds of up to 10 Gbps
  • 10x SATA 6 Gbit/s 3.5" hard drive tray-less bays
  • Hot-Swappable with 10 independent ON/OFF power switches
  • Two 120mm fans for additional cooling capability
  • Note: This multi-bay station does NOT have built in RAID functionality. However, software RAID configurations are possible

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RelaxedRose979
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The issue is 10 drives sharing the 10Gbps USB 3.1 gen 2 interface. Hardware RAID is no longer recommended as software can keep up and gives the flexibility in not being paired with a specific controller or losing all of your data.

The Mini PCs we normally see listed max out with 2.5Gbps networking. So this would be able to keep up and saturate the pipe. If you needed more bandwidth, having separate direct SATA connections would be needed, likely with some type of external SAS connection.

10 drives is very large, unless you are going for extremely cheap small drives to fill the array. IMO it's better to use larger drives as each drive consumes power to run. UGreen has a Kickstarter going right now that has some really crazy deals for NASes that are supposed to ship in June. You might be more bang for your buck there.

Also, anyone thinking of using this many drives, Go with at least one parity disk, or even better two. The chance of data loss increases as you move to more and more drives. Not caring about movies on a single 10TB drive... fine. Not caring about 180TB, that's going to be a much larger pain to replace everything.
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Be sure to throw it on a UPS.

I was checking what level of support it has from Sabrent (zero, they have really gone downhill with firmware updates) and there's a thread about how it doesn't have automatic power recovery to bring the drives back up after power loss.
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they are sausages, not hot dogs, get it right!


actually, i am not even sure of the reference? but sabrent is very well known in ssd and pc component business for the last 5-10 years

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cpgeekApr 02, 2024 03:24 PM
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Quote from wherestheanykey :
I briefly parsed your replies, but your approach is bordering on thread jacking.

You're incorrect about hardware RAID being dead.

Synology alone would never let that happen.
As I haven't used a synology device personally, I decided to go to their website and see what their offerings are like and I couldn't find a single device that used hardware raid. The ones I looked at one their site run a proprietary linux distribution called DiskStation Manager (DSM) and work by doing standard linux md RAID (0,1,5,6,10) as well as a couple of proprietary options including Synology Hybrid Raid (SHR) which can use unmatched disk sizes with one or two disks of parity, or something they call RAID F1 designed for all-flash pools which allows one of the drives to be used more than others so that it will age out (with the number of writes to it) first so you can better control ssd wear). If I missed something, Please link me to some synology stuff that uses hardware raid?

That said, I understand that there are some vendors (such as HP and Dell) that *do* have servers that can be configured for hardware raid from the factory, but they aren't really all that popular anymore, and it's mostly due to the slow-moving offerings from those large Enterprise SIs (who have invested heavily in licensing and integrating hardware raid controllers onto their motherboards). Most data centers, enterprises, and medium/large businesses are typically using EITHER one or more traditional centralized file servers (with expansion via SAS DAEs/fibrechannel/sometimes iscsi) to one or more centralized heads (with lots of ram and maybe an ssd caching layer) using zfs (running either on some flavor of linux or some storage distribution that uses zfs (like truenas) for pool, storage, redundancy, scrubbing, etc) OR some kind of decentralized filesystem such as ceph/glusterfs for foss offerings or weka or similar proprietary options. (not that i'd ever recommend individuals license expensive high performance clustered filesystems with 5+ servers for home data storage).
Apr 02, 2024 03:26 PM
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cpgeekApr 02, 2024 03:26 PM
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Quote from Simpuhl :
Is this something you could install truenas on?
no, this is just a 10 bay usb dock, just like the single drive ones, but with more drives *shrug* it's not a NAS/server, has no processor, ram, etc. it's just a usb hard drive adapter.
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euuser13859Apr 02, 2024 04:01 PM
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I own this unit. Bought it back when it was $500.

Plugs into a tiny fanless machine that runs windows server and storage spaces. Excellent for when you need a TON of storage but not a ton of read write. Would recommend at this price.
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Nintendo1474Apr 02, 2024 05:55 PM
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Quote from samHD :
dont be lazy. you have google too. stop asking the guy recommending a ceiling fan brand and wiring... to redesign your house and provide blueprints.
Are you serious?

I don't believe it exists. If I'm right, then I'd be looking forever for something that doesn't exist. Huge waste of time trying and failing to prove myself wrong on behalf of some random internet stranger.

This is why the burden of proof is on the one who claims something exists.
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Nintendo1474Apr 02, 2024 06:00 PM
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Quote from CyanCorn8418 :
You can search for something like this yourself, I just checked on ebay really quick and found a Dell Poweredge R630 that when configured is a little more than what the device we're talking about is -- with the one configuration I just did you can get 2 10GbE + 2 1GbE connections and is a 10 bay with the trays - it's $10 more than this post. without the 10GbE that price gets to be $20 less than this post...

Personally, I'd rather try to piece something together myself with newer hardware but this is just something I went to look up really quick, like what you could do as well.
I don't really want used. I like my warranties.

You can prove something does exist if you believe in it. I cannot prove something doesn't exist, since you could just keep saying I didn't look hard enough. This is why the burden of proof is on the person claiming something exists.

You're the one who came in here and said this is terrible and there are better alternatives. Without proof, you're just thread-crapping and wasting everybody's time.
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CyanCorn8418Apr 02, 2024 06:54 PM
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Quote from Nintendo1474 :
I don't really want used. I like my warranties.

You can prove something does exist if you believe in it. I cannot prove something doesn't exist, since you could just keep saying I didn't look hard enough. This is why the burden of proof is on the person claiming something exists.

You're the one who came in here and said this is terrible and there are better alternatives. Without proof, you're just thread-crapping and wasting everybody's time.
ok you do you - I'm also finding a lot of "N100 NAS" boards in various places for around $130 - most have 6 SATA ports plus a couple NVME ports where you can put a 6 port SATA card ($10) into that for 12 total drives (18 max), plus 4x 2.5GbE -

let's figure this, I'll generously round up for each figure:

$150 - N100 board + NVME SATA adapter
$100 - Computer case that has 10 3.5" bays plus fans - if you're handy you can fit more drives in something like this too
$50 - 1 stick DDR5 16Gb memory
$50 - 500w ATX power supply

right here we're at $350 for a whole computer system that can export your 3.5" drives and also act as a router, among other things -- you can assume this would probably be how much it'd cost post taxes since I padded these numbers - I also think that if you work at it you can probably get even lower for something better

so right here this is why I keep saying I really think that a device like this is overpriced for what it is -- it's just not a "deal" to me
Last edited by CyanCorn8418 April 2, 2024 at 12:06 PM.
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CyanCorn8418Apr 02, 2024 07:09 PM
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Quote from Nintendo1474 :
Are you serious?

I don't believe it exists. If I'm right, then I'd be looking forever for something that doesn't exist. Huge waste of time trying and failing to prove myself wrong on behalf of some random internet stranger.

This is why the burden of proof is on the one who claims something exists.
Yeah don't look for things yourself that is hard and takes effort /s

Seriously, this stuff is NOT hard to find nor should you "be looking forever for something that doesn't exist" -- you either find it or find out it doesn't exist -- it takes what, a minute?

Just because YOU don't understand something doesn't put the burden on anyone else but YOURSELF to understand and find out.

I wouldn't have a problem sharing links but I know sites like this don't like it when you put out links - I also don't think it's so hard to find and seek these things out

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Nintendo1474Apr 02, 2024 07:28 PM
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Quote from CyanCorn8418 :
Yeah don't look for things yourself that is hard and takes effort /s

Seriously, this stuff is NOT hard to find nor should you "be looking forever for something that doesn't exist" -- you either find it or find out it doesn't exist -- it takes what, a minute?

Just because YOU don't understand something doesn't put the burden on anyone else but YOURSELF to understand and find out.

I wouldn't have a problem sharing links but I know sites like this don't like it when you put out links - I also don't think it's so hard to find and seek these things out
Okay, I looked for it. Couldn't find anything.

I guess I'm the one wasting everybody's time by feeding trolls. It's not like you're gonna stop trolling no matter what I say. "No HDMI port, pass" is a Slickdeals meme because of people like you. Joke's on me.
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Quote from CyanCorn8418 :
Yeah don't look for things yourself that is hard and takes effort /s

Seriously, this stuff is NOT hard to find nor should you "be looking forever for something that doesn't exist" -- you either find it or find out it doesn't exist -- it takes what, a minute?

Just because YOU don't understand something doesn't put the burden on anyone else but YOURSELF to understand and find out.

I wouldn't have a problem sharing links but I know sites like this don't like it when you put out links - I also don't think it's so hard to find and seek these things out
Your alternative also has shortcomings, such as taking up more space, requiring more maintenance (it's an entire extra computer), and since it's DIY it's more of a pain. I know how to do all of the assembly and maintenance, but I don't want to do those things, and I value my time doing it at more than $0.
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CyanCorn8418Apr 02, 2024 09:17 PM
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Quote from burgerbob :
Your alternative also has shortcomings, such as taking up more space, requiring more maintenance (it's an entire extra computer), and since it's DIY it's more of a pain. I know how to do all of the assembly and maintenance, but I don't want to do those things, and I value my time doing it at more than $0.
It wouldn't take up that much more space, has way more upsides, and actually isn't that much work to set up but I get it. I really think this thing, even at this discounted price, is very steep for what it is.

If it was $250 less I'd not even bother to mention anything...
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cpgeekApr 02, 2024 10:50 PM
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Quote from cpc13 :
Not even close. Don't get me wrong, software RAID wonderful thing fits great in a lot of use cases. However, look into any data center anywhere, or any server that is not bottom shelf, shoestring budget and you're going to find hardware RAID and you're going to see the system/OS discs on RAID 1.

Home use and products targeted towards it. Have moved to software RAID because it's good enough for that use, and general purpose. CPUs have gotten fast enough that they can meet the performance needs for those use cases. That doesn't mean hardware raid is dead. Will be anytime soon.
yes, most servers have system disks in raid1 for fault tolerance, but it's usually using linux md raid1 or zfs raid1, (with the latter being strongly preferred in most linux and bsd environments because it's copy-on-write which makes fault recovery way simpler to restore from, and it's better monitored (scheduled scrubbing and awareness of hardware monitoring).storage volumes for mission critical storage is typically a big zfs pool with multiple parity stripes (raidz2/raidz3) in small/medium business settings (even many large businesses), but once you hit the need for more than 3-4 storage servers, that's usually where people start enlisting ceph/glusterfs or if you're in the enterprise, something like wekafs.
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namlookApr 02, 2024 10:53 PM
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Quote from CyanCorn8418 :
ok you do you - I'm also finding a lot of "N100 NAS" boards in various places for around $130 - most have 6 SATA ports plus a couple NVME ports where you can put a 6 port SATA card ($10) into that for 12 total drives (18 max), plus 4x 2.5GbE -

let's figure this, I'll generously round up for each figure:

$150 - N100 board + NVME SATA adapter
$100 - Computer case that has 10 3.5" bays plus fans - if you're handy you can fit more drives in something like this too
$50 - 1 stick DDR5 16Gb memory
$50 - 500w ATX power supply

right here we're at $350 for a whole computer system that can export your 3.5" drives and also act as a router, among other things -- you can assume this would probably be how much it'd cost post taxes since I padded these numbers - I also think that if you work at it you can probably get even lower for something better.

so right here this is why I keep saying I really think that a device like this is overpriced for what it is -- it's just not a "deal" to me
That's a good option for some people but what you are describing is more than the average person wants to do. Most people already have a computer and would prefer to expand storage by plugging in a DAS. They don't want to build a new computer. There are also nice conveniences the Sabrent has such as the ability to hot swap drives and power off drives when not in use. It's also very streamlined and compact for a device holding 10 x 3.5" drives at only 10" x 6" x 13". There are solid reasons why someone might want this at $400. It's not great value for the money but it's not unreasonable considering the convenience factors. At $600 it's unreasonably priced.
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cpgeekApr 02, 2024 11:49 PM
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I should have noted, if you only have 2 10g devices in your home, you could just add a 10g card to each one and connect a supported cable directly between them to accelerate that one connection (while plugging internet into the 1g ports). you can then set an ip address manually on each machine (perhaps 10.0.0.1 and 10.0.0.2) and the 2 machine will be able to connect to one another at high speeds while connecting to everything else at 1g. this works great if you have a single workstation and a single file server, or a situation where you want all your 1g devices to be able to access the server AND you want your 10g workstation to connect to the server at those higher speeds. I ran a direct 10g connection between my primary server and workstation for a few years before I decided to throw money at a full 10g network upgrade.
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Nintendo1474Apr 03, 2024 01:41 AM
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Quote from cpgeek :
I should have noted, if you only have 2 10g devices in your home, you could just add a 10g card to each one and connect a supported cable directly between them to accelerate that one connection (while plugging internet into the 1g ports). you can then set an ip address manually on each machine (perhaps 10.0.0.1 and 10.0.0.2) and the 2 machine will be able to connect to one another at high speeds while connecting to everything else at 1g. this works great if you have a single workstation and a single file server, or a situation where you want all your 1g devices to be able to access the server AND you want your 10g workstation to connect to the server at those higher speeds. I ran a direct 10g connection between my primary server and workstation for a few years before I decided to throw money at a full 10g network upgrade.
WHY THE HELL would you go to all that work when you can just use the USB 10G port that's already there?

And I've tried sharing direct-connected ethernet devices to the rest of a network before. It's a huge pain in the ass if you've never done network config before. Nobody who is actually interested in buying this is gonna wanna get into that.
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Quote from namlook :
That's a good option for some people but what you are describing is more than the average person wants to do. Most people already have a computer and would prefer to expand storage by plugging in a DAS. They don't want to build a new computer. There are also nice conveniences the Sabrent has such as the ability to hot swap drives and power off drives when not in use. It's also very streamlined and compact for a device holding 10 x 3.5" drives at only 10" x 6" x 13". There are solid reasons why someone might want this at $400. It's not great value for the money but it's not unreasonable considering the convenience factors. At $600 it's unreasonably priced.
I just find it bonkers that what I've described is more than what people would want to do and yet here they are with TEN 3.5" disks that they want to use this expensive device to manage them because that's easier over putting something together that'll give them more utility.

I'm confused why it's so great to have a USB 3.2 connection for something like this when you can get an SAS controller card for your machine... Unless you really just use a laptop all time time... But even then, you can't figure to organize drives in their own enclosures then? You NEED access to TEN disks simultaneously at all times? It doesn't really matter to me, I was just hoping there would've been a better answer as to what's so great with this thing... You're definitely paying for what seems to be a marginal convenience....

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