expiredKhalidS8701 posted Apr 03, 2024 03:25 PM
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expiredKhalidS8701 posted Apr 03, 2024 03:25 PM
Subaru Lease Offer: 2023 Subaru Solterra Compact Electric SUV
w/ Zero Down (+ Tax & License)Free
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Participating Subaru Dealerships [dealership locator] have 2023 Subaru Solterra Electric Compact SUV (Premium Trim, code PED-11) available to Lease at $241/month for 36 months (total $8,676) plus tax and license fee from participating dealerships w/ zero down for qualified buyers. Contact your local dealership(s) to verify if this offer is available in your area.
Thanks to community member KhalidS8701 for finding this deal.
Thanks to community member KhalidS8701 for finding this deal.
- Note: Offer and inventory availability may vary by location.
- All-wheel-drive electric crossover
- Seats five and carries 23.8 cubic feet of cargo behind its rear seats.
- Range: 228 miles
- 0-60mph in 6.5 seconds
- 8.3" of ground clearance
- Built on Toyota's e-TGNA global battery-electric vehicle platform
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Written by RevOne | Staff- About this deal:
- Offer valid through April 30, 2024.
- Subject to credit approval, vehicle insurance approval, & vehicle availability. Not all buyers may qualify. Payments may be higher in some states. Net cap cost & monthly payment excludes tax, license, title, registration, insurance, additional options, & retailer charges. Retailer participation may affect actual payment. At lease end, lessee is responsible for vehicle maintenance & repairs not covered by warranty, excessive wear & tear. Lessee pays personal property & ad valorem taxes (where applicable) & insurance. See participating retailer for details.
- Please see the original post for additional details & give the WIKI and additional forum comments a read for helpful discussion.
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Participating Subaru Dealerships [dealership locator] have 2023 Subaru Solterra Electric Compact SUV (Premium Trim, code PED-11) available to Lease at $241/month for 36 months (total $8,676) plus tax and license fee from participating dealerships w/ zero down for qualified buyers. Contact your local dealership(s) to verify if this offer is available in your area.
Thanks to community member KhalidS8701 for finding this deal.
Thanks to community member KhalidS8701 for finding this deal.
- Note: Offer and inventory availability may vary by location.
- All-wheel-drive electric crossover
- Seats five and carries 23.8 cubic feet of cargo behind its rear seats.
- Range: 228 miles
- 0-60mph in 6.5 seconds
- 8.3" of ground clearance
- Built on Toyota's e-TGNA global battery-electric vehicle platform
Editor's Notes
Written by RevOne | Staff- About this deal:
- Offer valid through April 30, 2024.
- Subject to credit approval, vehicle insurance approval, & vehicle availability. Not all buyers may qualify. Payments may be higher in some states. Net cap cost & monthly payment excludes tax, license, title, registration, insurance, additional options, & retailer charges. Retailer participation may affect actual payment. At lease end, lessee is responsible for vehicle maintenance & repairs not covered by warranty, excessive wear & tear. Lessee pays personal property & ad valorem taxes (where applicable) & insurance. See participating retailer for details.
- Please see the original post for additional details & give the WIKI and additional forum comments a read for helpful discussion.
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they want 5000 down + 335 month for 36month lease.
i said hell no and left.
Much like everything else, newer panels are getting more efficient, so new panels offer better conversion rates for the same square footprint.
You really need to educate yourself, don't let them educate you.
You fail to address the issue which is that while things may be recyclable, the cost to recycle is sometimes more expensive than making new, thus.. into the heep it goes.
If you weren't aware, a lot of these companies which "take back" stuff to be recycled, sells to to a shell corp to "be recycled" but namely, shipped overseas to be scrapped. They do a pretty good job of scraping all the gold off the electronics, but there is still a pretty great environmental cost.
This is most certainly not true-- most of the more efficient EVs get north of 100 eMPG-- your Jetta does not.
Note the car in THIS deal doesn't really fit the above-- it's pretty trash on specs because Toyota EV tech is a decade behind-- but that's not representative of most EVs sold.
100Empg is not 100MPG. I'll put my Jetta at 50MPG up against any electric car on a 1600 mile trip running 80+ MPH. Lets see who gets there much faster on far fewer stops. It just isn't close. You can't take a real trip in an electric car yet unless you plan an extra day of travel. That's not how I roll. Around town my 42 MPG lasts over a month before I need to fill the tank. Still more pleasant that worrying about find a quick charge to make it home. Like I said, one day they will be comparable and reliable, but we aren't there yet for my needs. I wish they would have done a diesel generator/electric hybrid like a train. That would be ideal.
This is most certainly not true-- most of the more efficient EVs get north of 100 eMPG-- your Jetta does not.
Note the car in THIS deal doesn't really fit the above-- it's pretty trash on specs because Toyota EV tech is a decade behind-- but that's not representative of most EVs sold.
His TDI can use biodiesel, which is significantly greener than EV's.
I am not anti EV's, or anti biodiesel, but realistically people need to understand the full soup to nuts comparison.
Im not even a giant mass transit promoter, as running 12 train cars and starting and stopping them for 2 people riding them is being touted as being more "green" than driving.
BTW, for those of you curious, the charge limits imposed (or recommended) by tesla is to keep the life span of the batteries. There are improvements (i.e. LFP batteries) but come at a reduced range. Using the same battery technology and system for your home allows you to peak shave your electrical grid use, and store excess solar generated.
your home also doesn't care that it now delivers 5kw vs 10kw after 8 years. However, a loss from 220miles to 110 miles is very significantly. Just like my solar panel life example before, there is a loss over time, but generating 10kw when new vs 8.5kw after 20 years, while less, is still less inconvenient than barely having enough juice left in your car to drive to and from work.
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You fail to address the issue which is that while things may be recyclable, the cost to recycle is sometimes more expensive than making new, thus.. into the heep it goes.
If you weren't aware, a lot of these companies which "take back" stuff to be recycled, sells to to a shell corp to "be recycled" but namely, shipped overseas to be scrapped. They do a pretty good job of scraping all the gold off the electronics, but there is still a pretty great environmental cost.
Nearly 100% recyclable and all done in the USA.
All the links I cited specifically count that up front-- hence the "cleaner from cradle to grave" description as it counts all costs from start to finish over the entire lifecycle.
EVs are cleaner than gas cars over their lifetime, significantly so, all costs included.
Further- it's more efficient (and cleaner) to burn natural gas (the majority of FF burned for electricity in the US) at a central plant than to burn refined gasoline in individual, inefficient, ICEs.
https://energypost.eu/evs-vs-biof...emission
Even after 200k miles (considerably more than most folks drive in 8 years) Teslas fleet is shown to retail near 90% original range.
And that's mostly older generation cells too, newer ones are even better.
If you pulled into a car dealer, not one smart salesperson would give you the time of day. You are not a customer. They want people who buy or lease new cars ever few years.
You are certainly frugal, and have saved thousands by driving this car vs someone like me who leases.
My guess is you'll never find any EV justifiable because it's not in your DNA.
Weird... google says that's a 419 mile drive.
Avg temps in winter in Phoenix where he started the trip are like 45 lows and 70s highs...that ought not change range much...
The Ioniq 5 is between 220 and 303 depending what model they have.
But let's make the worst possible assumption, that it's 220.
Winslow is 185 miles away and has L3 fast chargers (so does Payson, only 90 miles from Phoenix, if he wanted to be SUPER SUPER SUPER cautious (or drive 120 mph the whole trip).
After that another 128 miles down I-40 is Gallup with fast chargers, and it's only 138 miles to Albuquerque from there... though you pass ANOTHER fast charging site halfway there in Grants (plus Albuquerque itself has em).
Note that's just using electrify America-- and that's assuming he got the absolute shortest range model--- if he got anything but the bottom-end trim it's even easier... and there's other charging networks too... and if he had access to the Tesla one it's even easier than that as on that Phoenix to Albuquerque trip he will pass Supercharger stations at gaps of:
~95 miles
~95 miles
~58 miles
~79 miles (at which point he has reached Albuquerque)
And he'd only need ONE stop at any of em to complete the trip.
So again, trivial to do on Teslas network.
To determine MPGe ratings, the EPA uses the precise amount of electric energy that's equal to the energy in one gallon of gasoline
That... has literally nothing to do with fuel efficiency my dude.
You just moved those goalposts to a whole other country.
A giant truck that gets 16 mpg but has a 120 gallon tank in the bed would win that race.
But it's garbage efficiency compared even to your Jetta-- let alone a genuinely efficient vehicle like an EV.
You're confusing "efficiency" with "size of the fuel tank" though.
They're vastly different things.
A LR Tesla gets you 300-350 miles of range from leaving the house (just over 400 in a Model S but they're pricier)... a single 15-20 minute charging stop, same as you'd do on most road trips to use the bathroom, fuel, get drinks, etc gets you 500+ miles down the road.... which is more than most folks drive in any given day even on a trip. A second 15 minute stop would get you ~700 miles, which certainly is.
Nobody's needing "an extra day" of travel-- you don't even need an extra hour of it unless you're going >1000 miles a day or something insane.
Because for those of us who do, we simply wake up to a full 'tank" every morning and never have to even think about stopping for fuel in local driving at all.
All the links I cited specifically count that up front-- hence the "cleaner from cradle to grave" description as it counts all costs from start to finish over the entire lifecycle.
EVs are cleaner than gas cars over their lifetime, significantly so, all costs included.
Of course 0% burned in gas engines is from renewables- so again EVs are better.
Further- it's more efficient (and cleaner) to burn natural gas (the majority of FF burned for electricity in the US) at a central plant than to burn refined gasoline in individual, inefficient, ICEs.
Biofuel in general is certainly not greener- let alone significantly so, compared to EVs/
https://energypost.eu/evs-vs-biof...emission
If you've got something specific on biodisel (as opposed to other biofuels) to support your claims though, please provide them.
it would be but that's not how EV batteries actually age.
Even after 200k miles (considerably more than most folks drive in 8 years) Teslas fleet is shown to retail near 90% original range.
And that's mostly older generation cells too, newer ones are even better.
Your quoting bio fuels, not bio diesel, which is primarily made from WASTE oil. Waste tallow is generally made into animal feed, while waste oils such as that from the deep fryer is used. In practice, it is primarily a recycled product. It uses Methanol, not ethanol, (ethanol was the other crap that replaced MTBE). Ethanol has other issues mentioned in your link, which is true, but if you bring up the economics of things, then most EV's make even less sense without govt incentives for both the mfg and the consumer.
You mention the degradation of teslas' specifically, but there is a fleet of nissan Leaf's that have dropped to unusable range. Tesla is pretty much the powerhouse when it comes to battery tech and putting them in vehicles.
Tesla also recycles its own battery tech into its powerwalls; if you see my other parts of this thread, I briefly talk about the capacity vs size indirectly. A battery that holds 80% of its capacity can still provide a decade of service for a home, just not great for an EV.
Why not make a CNG/Hybrid?
You really need to educate yourself, don't let them educate you.
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I just don't understand people's craziness to get an EV before they get solar. You get the EV after you get the solar and geothermal. On a cost and conservation basis, your home (and office) expend significantly more electricity and gas than anything else.
EV's are childsplay when it comes to a family's overall environmental footprint. Just think about the thousands of diapers disposed of which use plastic and is not biodegradable. Getting an EV before the renewable is about the same as buying into a 5% CD or treasury bill when you owe 19% a month on your credit card bill. Paying down the credit card bill is the logical answer.
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