expiredKhalidS8701 posted Apr 03, 2024 03:25 PM
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expiredKhalidS8701 posted Apr 03, 2024 03:25 PM
Subaru Lease Offer: 2023 Subaru Solterra Compact Electric SUV
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Participating Subaru Dealerships [dealership locator] have 2023 Subaru Solterra Electric Compact SUV (Premium Trim, code PED-11) available to Lease at $241/month for 36 months (total $8,676) plus tax and license fee from participating dealerships w/ zero down for qualified buyers. Contact your local dealership(s) to verify if this offer is available in your area.
Thanks to community member KhalidS8701 for finding this deal.
Thanks to community member KhalidS8701 for finding this deal.
- Note: Offer and inventory availability may vary by location.
- All-wheel-drive electric crossover
- Seats five and carries 23.8 cubic feet of cargo behind its rear seats.
- Range: 228 miles
- 0-60mph in 6.5 seconds
- 8.3" of ground clearance
- Built on Toyota's e-TGNA global battery-electric vehicle platform
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Written by RevOne | Staff- About this deal:
- Offer valid through April 30, 2024.
- Subject to credit approval, vehicle insurance approval, & vehicle availability. Not all buyers may qualify. Payments may be higher in some states. Net cap cost & monthly payment excludes tax, license, title, registration, insurance, additional options, & retailer charges. Retailer participation may affect actual payment. At lease end, lessee is responsible for vehicle maintenance & repairs not covered by warranty, excessive wear & tear. Lessee pays personal property & ad valorem taxes (where applicable) & insurance. See participating retailer for details.
- Please see the original post for additional details & give the WIKI and additional forum comments a read for helpful discussion.
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Participating Subaru Dealerships [dealership locator] have 2023 Subaru Solterra Electric Compact SUV (Premium Trim, code PED-11) available to Lease at $241/month for 36 months (total $8,676) plus tax and license fee from participating dealerships w/ zero down for qualified buyers. Contact your local dealership(s) to verify if this offer is available in your area.
Thanks to community member KhalidS8701 for finding this deal.
Thanks to community member KhalidS8701 for finding this deal.
- Note: Offer and inventory availability may vary by location.
- All-wheel-drive electric crossover
- Seats five and carries 23.8 cubic feet of cargo behind its rear seats.
- Range: 228 miles
- 0-60mph in 6.5 seconds
- 8.3" of ground clearance
- Built on Toyota's e-TGNA global battery-electric vehicle platform
Editor's Notes
Written by RevOne | Staff- About this deal:
- Offer valid through April 30, 2024.
- Subject to credit approval, vehicle insurance approval, & vehicle availability. Not all buyers may qualify. Payments may be higher in some states. Net cap cost & monthly payment excludes tax, license, title, registration, insurance, additional options, & retailer charges. Retailer participation may affect actual payment. At lease end, lessee is responsible for vehicle maintenance & repairs not covered by warranty, excessive wear & tear. Lessee pays personal property & ad valorem taxes (where applicable) & insurance. See participating retailer for details.
- Please see the original post for additional details & give the WIKI and additional forum comments a read for helpful discussion.
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I got $17,800 for my 4th gen 2009 Ram 1500 Sport with 130K miles on it after 13 years, when I paid about $30K for it new. Why did it maintain over half of its value after that long period of time? Yes, the market was high in 2022, but also because the truck is easy to work on and inexpensive to repair with very cheap third party parts. I had a water pump failure for example, picked up a Duralast Waterpump with a new fan clutch and belt and prestone coolant for $196.54 (looking at my digital receipt now) shipped after tax, and it took me just a couple hours in the garage to replace on a Saturday (would have gone faster, but it was my first time and I was watching a youtube instruction video while doing it).
On Ramforum there's plenty with 300K+ miles on their hemi, so that has value.
EV resale is so low because the industry has figured out a way to maximize planned obsolescence, and until the government steps in and regulates it so that they can't charge more than the price of a brand new car for a replacement battery (not likely to happen), EVs represent the most disposable cars ever produced.
There's a use case, sure, but just know that:
1) Used EVs are really cheap now, even for super low mileage so if you're buying one anyway at least investigate that.
2) That there is a risk involved.
3) Don't buy new because you're going to hurt on resale worse than a Maserati.
FWIW the folks who "found" that were primarily Uber/Lyft drivers, renting an EV for the first time, and not bothering to read the manual that told them not to run it down to like 2% before trying to charge it in dead of winter, or explaining why they should precondition the battery before charging in the cold.
Other places, colder for longer and more often but without the above issues, don't have these problems.
https://insideevs.com/news/705075...r-chicago/
What's the big deal about someone who likes alternative energy? Why do people care about EV's so much when they have ZERO effect on them? Most people have not even tried them before criticizing them and banishing them the deepest depths of hello.
My GT500 would only get about 170 miles of range on a full tank. I never, in over 20k miles, drove it from full to empty on any day.
I best most people cant recall a day they pulled out of their garage with a full tank and had to fill it up before returning.
EV drivers are car people too. Try one before being so critical.
I have my sports car (Honda S2000) which I also can't get more than 200 miles on a tank if I'm enjoying it, my racecar and my truck to pull the trailer. I also have an Ioniq5 for 'chauffeur duty' for my kid and his stuff.
The really odd thing though is that this is THE cheapskate forum where some people will argue about $.01 per square inch of toilet paper being a 'deal' or not, yet this dickhead is shitting over the most cost effective category of personal vehicle one could own. He clearly could have just skipped past this post and never gotten into the comments, so his intention was to come and be a dick (did I write dick enough?).
Edit: Wow, I thought this was a recent post and not one with 24 pages of comments. Seems like there are a huge number of dicks as well as just poorly informed people here or ones using silly anecdotal evidence to bolster their poor conclusions. BTW, anybody here who thinks EV's are not 'user serviceable' is kind of like being the old coot from carburetor days complaining on how 'you can't work on these new cars with their computers and fuel injection and modern technology' ... back in my day I would just set the points every 12 months and rebuild the carb every 3 years and it was great. I've rebuilt many ICE engines, and I also happen to own the first hybrid model sold in the US (Honda Insight) and even though they made a very short run of those vehicles (about 16k came to the US) There are STILL reasonably priced aftermarket OEM technology (NiMH) batteries for sale as well as conversion kits to Lithium technology. AND, if you're enough of a 'car guy' that you do more than your own oil changes and brake jobs you can do these yourself as well. Time moves forward .... let it.
I have my sports car (Honda S2000) which I also can't get more than 200 miles on a tank if I'm enjoying it, my racecar and my truck to pull the trailer. I also have an Ioniq5 for 'chauffeur duty' for my kid and his stuff.
The really odd thing though is that this is THE cheapskate forum where some people will argue about $.01 per square inch of toilet paper being a 'deal' or not, yet this dickhead is shitting over the most cost effective category of personal vehicle one could own. He clearly could have just skipped past this post and never gotten into the comments, so his intention was to come and be a dick (did I write dick enough?).
Edit: Wow, I thought this was a recent post and not one with 24 pages of comments. Seems like there are a huge number of dicks as well as just poorly informed people here or ones using silly anecdotal evidence to bolster their poor conclusions. BTW, anybody here who thinks EV's are not 'user serviceable' is kind of like being the old coot from carburetor days complaining on how 'you can't work on these new cars with their computers and fuel injection and modern technology' ... back in my day I would just set the points every 12 months and rebuild the carb every 3 years and it was great. I've rebuilt many ICE engines, and I also happen to own the first hybrid model sold in the US (Honda Insight) and even though they made a very short run of those vehicles (about 16k came to the US) There are STILL reasonably priced aftermarket OEM technology (NiMH) batteries for sale as well as conversion kits to Lithium technology. AND, if you're enough of a 'car guy' that you do more than your own oil changes and brake jobs you can do these yourself as well. Time moves forward .... let it.
I'd love to see ANY gas vehicle that costs less per mile than a Tesla. Especially the newer models.
I'd love to see ANY gas vehicle that costs less per mile than a Tesla. Especially the newer models.
I'm really not a Tesla fan myself for some other various reasons though I have respect for much of the innovation in them. I just prefer a better structured maintenance and support ecosystem but it's my choice and unlike some I don't have to dunk on others because of it.
Have a good one!
I'm really not a Tesla fan myself for some other various reasons though I have respect for much of the innovation in them. I just prefer a better structured maintenance and support ecosystem but it's my choice and unlike some I don't have to dunk on others because of it.
Have a good one!
Enjoy your day also!
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Some early EVs didn't charge curve properly and handle Level 3 charging right.
California in 2026 MY will require all BEV cars to last 10 years and 150,000 miles with at least 70% capacity remaining (as well as a way for consumers to check). Increasing to 80% in 2030 MY.
By 2031 MY, each individual pack also must maintain 75% capacity for 8yr/100k, in addition to 80% total for 10yr/150k.
Early adopters pay the price- Im sure as time goes on there will be better tech.
EV drivers plan their trips based on superchargers.
ICE drivers own an EV to drive around town, which is most of the driving for almost all the folks. They save many thousands of dollars driving an EV with very "High" mileage. They use their ICE cars for any long distance vacations, etc.
And smarter ICE drivers also install solar panels on their roof to cover 75+% of their home electricity and EV driving needs, to save even more in the long run.
Two years ago it was 37.37¢/kWh & 39.01¢/kWh respectively.
I'm not criticising, but just presenting that info. Getting electric car means, you will have to plan bit more carefully when going to for a long trip.
I got one 2 years back and it did not even have a jack in it, forget having a spare tire. If I remember correctly, then it was a dealer add-on option. So most vehicle manufacturers are now keeping the prices stable but cutting down on several things that were being included earlier. Think of car mats, trunk mats, mud guards, etc.
I'd love to see ANY gas vehicle that costs less per mile than a Tesla. Especially the newer models.
Corolla hybrid LE vs M3 base- insurance on average will be significantly lower on the corolla, no matter how you slice it as its MSRP is MSRP- not the artificially lowered price of the govt tax rebates. Charging in CA .50 cents a kw, about 4miles per kw for a m3.
Corolla Hybrid gets about 50MPG in city driving, at current CA gas prices of about 5.35 per gallon, is about 10-11 cents per mile. Comparing the two, we'd get about a one to two cent difference between the two per mile, but the advantage is still the corolla, and thats without temperature variances.
You offer a strange set of limitations in comparison, any gas vehicle, and costs less per mile, with no consideration for absolute cost of ownership. EV's eat through tires like ants eat through candy, especially if your in stop and go traffic. That mass takes its toll on the tires.
If you believe these posts:
https://teslamotorsclub
There are those who can coax 40k on the tires, but thats pretty much all highway driving. Most people are around 20-25k on the tires before replacement, which is around 1000 a pop for the base size M3 tires (good well reputed tires, not Flylong,Eastwind,etc).
Driving experience aside. You'll most likely get to 50k on the tires on the corolla. Lower mass, low power, and cheaper smaller sized tires. over 100k, your replacing the tires once. Over the same distance, you'd be replace 3-4 times over the same time. Thats a 600 dollar tire change one time vs a 1000 3 times.
The hybrid saves brake pads just the same as the tesla. The other replacables (we'll just call the cabin filters the same price).
So the only real service over the first 100k will be oil changes. Recommended is 7,500–10,000 miles or 6–12 months, So.. 10 oil changes at 100 a clip is 1000 bucks.
Those tires and insurance is what will get you in the end.
If it makes you happy, drive it. Its like people who daily drive a pickup truck, you don't have to justify it to anyone, you want it, go drive it.
You're position has gotten destroyed over and over here and you refuse to acknowledge it.
ICE drivers own an EV to drive around town, which is most of the driving for almost all the folks. They save many thousands of dollars driving an EV with very "High" mileage. They use their ICE cars for any long distance vacations, etc.
And smarter ICE drivers also install solar panels on their roof to cover 75+% of their home electricity and EV driving needs, to save even more in the long run.
If the electricity cost per kwh is that High then it surely makes sense to install the Solar panels PV system and basically drive for free around town. My cost of electricity is 13.5c per kwh and I saved over $3000 in 1 year replacing my about 80% of my home electricity and local driving habits via solar power.
Drive an EV in town where you can charge for cheap at home. An ICE anyways gives way less mileage in local/city driving, so using an EV with lower kwh cost saves a lot of money. If you want to save even more then start researching into PV Solar systems, which can cover a lot of your home electricity + driving needs.
When was the last time you bought a car?
I got one 2 years back and it did not even have a jack in it, forget having a spare tire. If I remember correctly, then it was a dealer add-on option. So most vehicle manufacturers are now keeping the prices stable but cutting down on several things that were being included earlier. Think of car mats, trunk mats, mud guards, etc.
I am a big solar believer with home first priority, as that is the largest percentage of energy use for any person. But apartment and townhouse dwellers don't always have solar options, and thus also have limited EV charging options.
If you have electric water heaters, the consumption to heat up 1 50 gallon tank is about 8kw. That's about 32 miles on a tesla. An average shower takes 20 gallons of water, so if you have 4 people taking a shower, that 60 gallons already, without cooking, cleaning, dishwasher, etc.
What about that dryer? 2kw a load.
When you really start adding those things up, that is already 40 miles on a tesla. No matter how you slice the "savings" it is better to find ways to be more cost efficient at home first before considering an EV as a "cost " saving factor.
this may not apply to everywhere, as excess loads are not always netmetered the same in all areas, and other areas (thanks CA!) where you get duck bill pricing.
That's why battery life matters, as these are going to be the first truly planned obsolescence vehicles, since as soon as the battery is toast, the vehicle is totalled. It doesn't matter what the price per lithium cell is, the batteries are proprietary, they are not user serviceable due to liquid cooling systems and extremely high dangerous voltages, and so you're at the mercy of what the manufacturer charges and they are intentionally overcharging for them to ensure old cars end up in the trash dump so they can sell more new ones.
Charging speed does matter if you aren't only driving places to where you can charge from your garage. Since some people park in apartment parking lots and can't charge everyday overnight, or go on road trips, then charging speed is extremely important.
Most vehicles fuel tanks can be filled from near empty in under 3 mins, and think about how long that feels when you are standing there. Now imagine the gas came out so slow that you'd have to stand there for 30 mins... that sucks! And for some its not 30 mins, its 3 hours if you are somewhere that doesn't have a functional fast charger.
What does 3 years left on the battery mean? Do you mean 3 years left on the battery Warranty?
I own a Nissan Leaf which has battery warrantied for 8 years or 100k miles. At the end of 8 years there will be At Least 75% capacity remaining on the Battery. Nissan Leaf has the battery tech from 10 years back and hence its not the most advanced. Tesla and other manufacturers will have batteries with usable capacities last till at least 500,000 miles (that is 500k of driven miles). And if you have been slow charging your EV at home you should at least have about 40% left on the battery even then, which will give you about 100 miles trip, not the best, but still a usable range for local driving.
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Other places, colder for longer and more often but without the above issues, don't have these problems.
https://insideevs.com/news/705075...r-chicago/
with that fancy software why cant it give a warning based on the weather forecast that says "Warning; below freezing temperature expected. Recommend charging before reaching 10% capacity." .
or how about this one..."battery temperature is too low for safe charging. Precondition before charging?"
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