expiredKhalidS8701 posted Apr 03, 2024 03:25 PM
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Subaru Lease Offer: 2023 Subaru Solterra Compact Electric SUV
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Participating Subaru Dealerships [dealership locator] have 2023 Subaru Solterra Electric Compact SUV (Premium Trim, code PED-11) available to Lease at $241/month for 36 months (total $8,676) plus tax and license fee from participating dealerships w/ zero down for qualified buyers. Contact your local dealership(s) to verify if this offer is available in your area.
Thanks to community member KhalidS8701 for finding this deal.
Thanks to community member KhalidS8701 for finding this deal.
- Note: Offer and inventory availability may vary by location.
- All-wheel-drive electric crossover
- Seats five and carries 23.8 cubic feet of cargo behind its rear seats.
- Range: 228 miles
- 0-60mph in 6.5 seconds
- 8.3" of ground clearance
- Built on Toyota's e-TGNA global battery-electric vehicle platform
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Written by RevOne | Staff- About this deal:
- Offer valid through April 30, 2024.
- Subject to credit approval, vehicle insurance approval, & vehicle availability. Not all buyers may qualify. Payments may be higher in some states. Net cap cost & monthly payment excludes tax, license, title, registration, insurance, additional options, & retailer charges. Retailer participation may affect actual payment. At lease end, lessee is responsible for vehicle maintenance & repairs not covered by warranty, excessive wear & tear. Lessee pays personal property & ad valorem taxes (where applicable) & insurance. See participating retailer for details.
- Please see the original post for additional details & give the WIKI and additional forum comments a read for helpful discussion.
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Participating Subaru Dealerships [dealership locator] have 2023 Subaru Solterra Electric Compact SUV (Premium Trim, code PED-11) available to Lease at $241/month for 36 months (total $8,676) plus tax and license fee from participating dealerships w/ zero down for qualified buyers. Contact your local dealership(s) to verify if this offer is available in your area.
Thanks to community member KhalidS8701 for finding this deal.
Thanks to community member KhalidS8701 for finding this deal.
- Note: Offer and inventory availability may vary by location.
- All-wheel-drive electric crossover
- Seats five and carries 23.8 cubic feet of cargo behind its rear seats.
- Range: 228 miles
- 0-60mph in 6.5 seconds
- 8.3" of ground clearance
- Built on Toyota's e-TGNA global battery-electric vehicle platform
Editor's Notes
Written by RevOne | Staff- About this deal:
- Offer valid through April 30, 2024.
- Subject to credit approval, vehicle insurance approval, & vehicle availability. Not all buyers may qualify. Payments may be higher in some states. Net cap cost & monthly payment excludes tax, license, title, registration, insurance, additional options, & retailer charges. Retailer participation may affect actual payment. At lease end, lessee is responsible for vehicle maintenance & repairs not covered by warranty, excessive wear & tear. Lessee pays personal property & ad valorem taxes (where applicable) & insurance. See participating retailer for details.
- Please see the original post for additional details & give the WIKI and additional forum comments a read for helpful discussion.
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I own a Nissan Leaf which has battery warrantied for 8 years or 100k miles. At the end of 8 years there will be At Least 75% capacity remaining on the Battery. Nissan Leaf has the battery tech from 10 years back and hence its not the most advanced. Tesla and other manufacturers will have batteries with usable capacities last till at least 500,000 miles (that is 500k of driven miles). And if you have been slow charging your EV at home you should at least have about 40% left on the battery even then, which will give you about 100 miles trip, not the best, but still a usable range for local driving.
The leaf in 40kw mode gets about 150 mile range. There is a significant difference in cell longevity when you discharge 50% daily vs 30% daily.
Nope.
29.49 cents per kwh in CA on average.
https://www.eia.gov/electricity/m...epmt_5_6_a
So you're already fudging your numbers by almost 50% to try and make your case.
If you believe these posts:
https://teslamotorsclub
There are those who can coax 40k on the tires
Ah, more dishonesty.
The thread there is about the factory OEM tires.
Which are not designed for especially long life-- they're designed to be cheap in bulk for Tesla....same as any other OEM does.... In fact they're the same tires that came on my Lexus OEM.
Both lasted about the same # of miles too.
Better (and often CHEAPER!) aftermarket tires can last considerably longer.
My Michelin Pilot Sport A/S4 for example are at about 25k miles and only approaching halfway through their life per treadwear measurements.
https://www.tirerack.co
That's all tires in the OEM base size for an AWD Model 3 for example.
The top of the line performance tire will be $1000 for a set... but there's perfectly fine options listed from name brands like Kumho, General, Goodyear, Hankook, Nitto,
Bridgestone, Sumitomo, etc... all in the $165-195 a tire range. So you're talking like $800 a set mounted.
And that's just full retail at a glance-- wait for one of the sales the major brands run about quarterly and you're talking more like $600ish for a set of 4 mounted.
I feel like "aside" is doing a lot of work when comparing the driving experience of a Tesla to a Corolla
You left out the engine air filter- which you ALSO need to replace with the cabin on in the Toyota... and doesn't exist on the Tesla.
I wonder why you stopped at 100k?
Oh, right- it's because there's nothing extra for a Tesla there... but the Hybrid will need an expensive engine/inverter coolant change.
Then at 120k the Tesla still needs nothing extra, but the Corolla needs new spark plugs.
Also every 5k miles the whole time you have a battery cooling filter to inspect, and every 20k to clean- but I suppose technically you don't need to buy new parts- still a thing you'll be paying to have done if you don't DIY that the Tesla doesn't have.
If you can't argue honestly- why argue at all?
with that fancy software why cant it give a warning based on the weather forecast that says "Warning; below freezing temperature expected. Recommend charging before reaching 10% capacity." .
The car (Teslas anyway) does take weather into account when you put a destination in the nav as far as when/where it suggests you charge.
It'll also change the battery icon when you dip under 20%, and put up a snowflake icon in cold weather to warn about slower charging... but if you didn't read the manual you might not know what those mean.
And if you're talking a ton of short trips like in an Uber and don't bother to understand anything about EVs (and don't care about the condition of the battery in a rental car) you're probably just treating it like a gas car where you can max your fare time and pull in on E regardless of that being bad for the car.
or how about this one..."battery temperature is too low for safe charging. Precondition before charging?"
But seems likely these guys didn't know that either since they didn't read the manual and were just renting.
From what I've read the other brands of EVs, that had even worse problems during the Chicago thing (but were also mostly rentals) don't do that- you have to manually tell it to precondition-- which obviously is even worse for those ignorant of how EVs work.
https://cowboystatedaily.com/2023...-power-it/ [cowboystatedaily.com]
Panasonic gets subsidized with US taxpayers dollars and the people of Kansas have to pay for more transmission lines and infrastructure to burn coal by way of higher electricity rates.
We are subsidizing coal burning to have foreign nations build EV components and everybody pays that price. China is burning more coal than ever to keep up with he demands of the green energy fans.
Hilarious that they feel they can lecture anybody about the planet. Rich city dwellers get taxpayer subsidies to destroy the planet and consider themselves heroes.
It is very funny because just 2 days back I saw a Huge Tanker pull up to Costco gas to fill their "Underground gas tanks", and I thought to myself that this is so wasteful. Imagine a 150 year old way of producing/tapping into an energy source; being drilled and mined by using a lot of energy; then having to clean/refine it; then the energy required to safely store; then the energy required to pump these reserves across the country or energy needed to transport across continents; then the energy required to just transport it to the final destination like a gas station in my example above; and then the energy required to pump it into the vehicles - All of This energy for it to just burn out forever in a few miles (think again "Forever"); Think of burning a Gallon of gas for 25 miles and now the burnt particulates are in your air forever. Now think Millions of vehicles and Billions of miles later all the gas that you drilled for is no longer there for you to use, because everything was burnt for that one time use.
Now let us look at the Alternate -
The mining of Lithium and Cobalt requires energy; The assembly of the batteries required energy; transportation of the batteries require energy; But once its in the car and being driven it will last for 20+ years and still provide a viable range in the vehicle. Once the car is below a viable range then the remaining cells can still be used to power cell phones and other devices while the spent up lithium and cobalt can be recycled back into usable energy forms.
BTW- add the PV Solar panels to the above equation and now one can charge these batteries (And also power homes for 25+ years) for pure electricity produced by the Sunlight.
Its always great to keep aside own prejudices, media fed frenzy, political agendas heavily pushed via different lobbies for their own purpose and lack of information/understanding to think through problems and solutions. There have been many papers written on these subjects and many people are researching on energy needs, energy independence, energy production, etc. but in just 3 paragraphs I hope to have provided enough information on the wastefulness of a 150 year source of energy and how alternate sources are necessary.
Eventually, and with more research, we may get to even better sources or more efficient production techniques or less mining/better materials available for battery tech, but this is the best bet for now.
Corolla hybrid LE vs M3 base- insurance on average will be significantly lower on the corolla, no matter how you slice it as its MSRP is MSRP- not the artificially lowered price of the govt tax rebates. Charging in CA .50 cents a kw, about 4miles per kw for a m3.
Corolla Hybrid gets about 50MPG in city driving, at current CA gas prices of about 5.35 per gallon, is about 10-11 cents per mile. Comparing the two, we'd get about a one to two cent difference between the two per mile, but the advantage is still the corolla, and thats without temperature variances.
You offer a strange set of limitations in comparison, any gas vehicle, and costs less per mile, with no consideration for absolute cost of ownership. EV's eat through tires like ants eat through candy, especially if your in stop and go traffic. That mass takes its toll on the tires.
If you believe these posts:
https://teslamotorsclub
There are those who can coax 40k on the tires, but thats pretty much all highway driving. Most people are around 20-25k on the tires before replacement, which is around 1000 a pop for the base size M3 tires (good well reputed tires, not Flylong,Eastwind,etc).
Driving experience aside. You'll most likely get to 50k on the tires on the corolla. Lower mass, low power, and cheaper smaller sized tires. over 100k, your replacing the tires once. Over the same distance, you'd be replace 3-4 times over the same time. Thats a 600 dollar tire change one time vs a 1000 3 times.
The hybrid saves brake pads just the same as the tesla. The other replacables (we'll just call the cabin filters the same price).
So the only real service over the first 100k will be oil changes. Recommended is 7,500–10,000 miles or 6–12 months, So.. 10 oil changes at 100 a clip is 1000 bucks.
Those tires and insurance is what will get you in the end.
If it makes you happy, drive it. Its like people who daily drive a pickup truck, you don't have to justify it to anyone, you want it, go drive it.
Tires last 40k on a M3.
.5/KwH is at a tesla charger, a situation that most people rarely use. Home charging is .14-.20 in California.
Mechanical failures associated with ICE will likely be an additional cost.
Fast forward the cost to 300k miles.
Assuming you save even more with the insane rebates and incentives California offers, your cost is much less. Even than a Carolla hybrid. (not really a comparable vehicle)
The leaf in 40kw mode gets about 150 mile range. There is a significant difference in cell longevity when you discharge 50% daily vs 30% daily.
Why do you all insist on making a very basic concept complicated? Its a huge risk. EV resale values are very low because of it. The entire market understands this, stop pretending you don't. If you're mad that you're upside down on your EV because of this denial, I can't help you.
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EVs have the worst resale value of any vehicle type, ICE trucks have the highest.
I am a big solar believer with home first priority, as that is the largest percentage of energy use for any person. But apartment and townhouse dwellers don't always have solar options, and thus also have limited EV charging options.
If you have electric water heaters, the consumption to heat up 1 50 gallon tank is about 8kw. That's about 32 miles on a tesla. An average shower takes 20 gallons of water, so if you have 4 people taking a shower, that 60 gallons already, without cooking, cleaning, dishwasher, etc.
What about that dryer? 2kw a load.
When you really start adding those things up, that is already 40 miles on a tesla. No matter how you slice the "savings" it is better to find ways to be more cost efficient at home first before considering an EV as a "cost " saving factor.
this may not apply to everywhere, as excess loads are not always netmetered the same in all areas, and other areas (thanks CA!) where you get duck bill pricing.
You save money by driving the EV as a daily driver (an ICE is very inefficient for city driving anyways); You charge the EV using rooftop Solar panels which puts less strain on the grid and less of carbon burning power plants producing electricity; You still own an ICE for convenience and log distance driving.
EVs have the worst resale value of any vehicle type, ICE trucks have the highest.
Prove me wrong, post the purchase order or invoice. MMR of that vehicle is currently 4100 bucks. Back then, that same vehicle, with less miles, was selling MMR to dealers for between 9-11k. So either you sold it to a desperate ignorant sole, or a dealer took it in on trade and raked you, or it didn't happen.
No dealer with access to MMR or who attend auctions, would pay that for that truck.
Why do you all insist on making a very basic concept complicated? Its a huge risk. EV resale values are very low because of it. The entire market understands this, stop pretending you don't. If you're mad that you're upside down on your EV because of this denial, I can't help you.
So no matter how you want to look at it, I will always come out on top.
Ohh- and BTW my EV is already paid off in 3 months since I only financed it to secure a good deal and to get better credit history. So never worry about me ever not coming out on top of anything I do. Also, believe me if you want , it does not matter on a random internet forum. Just consider this- I do not have the backing of millions of dollars of lobbyists and internet mafia that are trained to change people's views for politically motivated agendas. I am just sharing my direct personal experience.
I have my sports car (Honda S2000) which I also can't get more than 200 miles on a tank if I'm enjoying it, my racecar and my truck to pull the trailer. I also have an Ioniq5 for 'chauffeur duty' for my kid and his stuff.
The really odd thing though is that this is THE cheapskate forum where some people will argue about $.01 per square inch of toilet paper being a 'deal' or not, yet this dickhead is shitting over the most cost effective category of personal vehicle one could own. He clearly could have just skipped past this post and never gotten into the comments, so his intention was to come and be a dick (did I write dick enough?).
Edit: Wow, I thought this was a recent post and not one with 24 pages of comments. Seems like there are a huge number of dicks as well as just poorly informed people here or ones using silly anecdotal evidence to bolster their poor conclusions. BTW, anybody here who thinks EV's are not 'user serviceable' is kind of like being the old coot from carburetor days complaining on how 'you can't work on these new cars with their computers and fuel injection and modern technology' ... back in my day I would just set the points every 12 months and rebuild the carb every 3 years and it was great. I've rebuilt many ICE engines, and I also happen to own the first hybrid model sold in the US (Honda Insight) and even though they made a very short run of those vehicles (about 16k came to the US) There are STILL reasonably priced aftermarket OEM technology (NiMH) batteries for sale as well as conversion kits to Lithium technology. AND, if you're enough of a 'car guy' that you do more than your own oil changes and brake jobs you can do these yourself as well. Time moves forward .... let it.
I'd love to see ANY gas vehicle that costs less per mile than a Tesla. Especially the newer models.
I got sucked into these EV arguments again and wasted an hour of my life that I will never get back on educating these IDIOTS. I was only trying to relay my experience of saving over $3000 in only 1 year by a combination of EV for local driving and PV Solar panels for reducing the cost of home electricity and EV charging. The cost of electricity in my state is only 13.5c per kwh and I still managed to save as much money. I also provided clear calculations from the math I used- and said that every persons situation will be different and they have to plug their own numbers for cost of electricity, miles driven, etc. I can only imagine how much people can save in an year with higher electricity cost and average local driving.
I think most people who are here spewing nonsense or misinformation or just citing random rumors are Lobby people. Lobbies have infiltrated into forums nowadays and one can see it on news media "Comments" sections, internet forums discussing various items, forums on alternate sources of energy or forums on cars/trucks, etc (product forums).
Anyways, let stupidity prevail and there is an abundance of it in this country. No wonder America is at the bottom of every ranking on education, smartness and knowledge.
I think most people who are here spewing nonsense or misinformation or just citing random rumors are Lobby people. Lobbies have infiltrated into forums nowadays and one can see it on news media "Comments" sections, internet forums discussing various items, forums on alternate sources of energy or forums on cars/trucks, etc (product forums).
Anyways, let stupidity prevail and there is an abundance of it in this country. No wonder America is at the bottom of every ranking on education, smartness and knowledge.
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So no matter how you want to look at it, I will always come out on top.
Ohh- and BTW my EV is already paid off in 3 months since I only financed it to secure a good deal and to get better credit history. So never worry about me ever not coming out on top of anything I do. Also, believe me if you want , it does not matter on a random internet forum. Just consider this- I do not have the backing of millions of dollars of lobbyists and internet mafia that are trained to change people's views for politically motivated agendas. I am just sharing my direct personal experience.
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