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Subaru Lease Offer: 2023 Subaru Solterra Compact Electric SUV

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Participating Subaru Dealerships [dealership locator] have 2023 Subaru Solterra Electric Compact SUV (Premium Trim, code PED-11) available to Lease at $241/month for 36 months (total $8,676) plus tax and license fee from participating dealerships w/ zero down for qualified buyers. Contact your local dealership(s) to verify if this offer is available in your area.

Thanks to community member KhalidS8701 for finding this deal.
  • Note: Offer and inventory availability may vary by location.
Features:
  • All-wheel-drive electric crossover
  • Seats five and carries 23.8 cubic feet of cargo behind its rear seats.
  • Range: 228 miles
  • 0-60mph in 6.5 seconds
  • 8.3" of ground clearance
  • Built on Toyota's e-TGNA global battery-electric vehicle platform

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  • About this deal:
    • Offer valid through April 30, 2024.
    • Subject to credit approval, vehicle insurance approval, & vehicle availability. Not all buyers may qualify. Payments may be higher in some states. Net cap cost & monthly payment excludes tax, license, title, registration, insurance, additional options, & retailer charges. Retailer participation may affect actual payment. At lease end, lessee is responsible for vehicle maintenance & repairs not covered by warranty, excessive wear & tear. Lessee pays personal property & ad valorem taxes (where applicable) & insurance. See participating retailer for details.
  • Please see the original post for additional details & give the WIKI and additional forum comments a read for helpful discussion.

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Written by KhalidS8701
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Participating Subaru Dealerships [dealership locator] have 2023 Subaru Solterra Electric Compact SUV (Premium Trim, code PED-11) available to Lease at $241/month for 36 months (total $8,676) plus tax and license fee from participating dealerships w/ zero down for qualified buyers. Contact your local dealership(s) to verify if this offer is available in your area.

Thanks to community member KhalidS8701 for finding this deal.
  • Note: Offer and inventory availability may vary by location.
Features:
  • All-wheel-drive electric crossover
  • Seats five and carries 23.8 cubic feet of cargo behind its rear seats.
  • Range: 228 miles
  • 0-60mph in 6.5 seconds
  • 8.3" of ground clearance
  • Built on Toyota's e-TGNA global battery-electric vehicle platform

Editor's Notes

Written by RevOne | Staff
  • About this deal:
    • Offer valid through April 30, 2024.
    • Subject to credit approval, vehicle insurance approval, & vehicle availability. Not all buyers may qualify. Payments may be higher in some states. Net cap cost & monthly payment excludes tax, license, title, registration, insurance, additional options, & retailer charges. Retailer participation may affect actual payment. At lease end, lessee is responsible for vehicle maintenance & repairs not covered by warranty, excessive wear & tear. Lessee pays personal property & ad valorem taxes (where applicable) & insurance. See participating retailer for details.
  • Please see the original post for additional details & give the WIKI and additional forum comments a read for helpful discussion.

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RicardoR5620
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Mine at 100% charge gets 175 miles of range (don't turn on the climate because that knocks it down to 160 miles), dealer says they are working on a fix. But won't look at the car.
nadanunca
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You may want to look at the Hyundai Ioniq 6. Rated for 360 mile range on a 100% charge, and Hyundai's been doing $7,500 cashback to offset the ineligibility for federal credits. And if you're really lucky, your state won't charge sales tax—NJ didn't for mine.
Tarkov
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Too bad insurance on this would be another $200

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Apr 09, 2024 03:51 PM
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ernestrylesApr 09, 2024 03:51 PM
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Quote from darkfortedx :
Why is it the worst?
Expensive for extremely poor performance and awful range.
Apr 09, 2024 03:51 PM
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madmax718Apr 09, 2024 03:51 PM
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Quote from topcho :
I saw 2 passenger cars on fire on the side of the road in the past 30 days—one in NYC and one in Europe (I had never witnessed such a thing in my life).
Neither was an EV.
Always happens in the beginning of spring. Oil leaks over the winter which has built up with grime creates a sludgy surface. THe warmer temps + heat of the engine/exhaust set it off and it catches on fire. Usually its in stop and go traffic.
Apr 09, 2024 04:04 PM
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madmax718Apr 09, 2024 04:04 PM
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Quote from Heat305 :
How much is the full charge cost on this?
For universal comparison, always go with KW's needed to charge. There's some losses in the input (I don't know the specifics on the KW in vs KW stored).

when calculating the cost of electricity, always use the DELIVERED price. A lot of people quote the price of electricity, without including the delivery and taxes. It can be significant (sometimes more than the price of the cost of electricity).

There are some areas where electricity is cheap- like Seattle; and prices where its absolutely ridiculous like California.
Apr 09, 2024 04:05 PM
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pookguy88Apr 09, 2024 04:05 PM
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Quote from mychaelp :
I can't replicate this deal in So Cal. Best I got so far was about $2,800 down and $289/month.
I don't think a Subaru is in my future. It's misleading. At least with Tesla the payment is exactly the same except the tax/registration part.
Curious about the Nissan Leaf I read in this thread though.

With EVs, the battery is the weak point of the purchase. It goes down to almost zero value at some point. I have 1998 Z3 and a 2002 Civic, both drive great. But an EV at that age may not do well, not matter the milage.
That at my two friends with Teslas have had the suspension mostly changed out after 40k miles. Luckily under warranty, but I warned them to maybe sell now or risk it happening again.
Civic suspension never changed a thing.
Z3 though did get new shocks and struts at 30k miles but that was because I wanted a smoother ride. lifetime warranty on them.
curious, how did they figure the $2800 down?
Apr 09, 2024 04:07 PM
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madmax718Apr 09, 2024 04:07 PM
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Quote from mattun :
Ten years ago the EV rate was 14 cents, now it's 42. Oh PG&E, the most must trustworthy, people first company in all California.
If you played monopoly, you already know that there is no asset called a "car". However, power companies and real estate are.

Energy independence is a worthwhile venture, but not necessarily with EV's as being the front running option.

Maybe if the east coast stops eating avocados, because there's a huge fuel consumption for shipping those.
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Apr 09, 2024 04:47 PM
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iamiamianApr 09, 2024 04:47 PM
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Quote from madmax718 :
Dunno where you can rent a sienna for 50 bucks a day, certainly no where I've seen in a metro city on the east coast.
Pacifica, $55 before any discount or fees and taxes, at the Sacramento Intl Airport next week.
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Apr 09, 2024 04:55 PM
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audiophanApr 09, 2024 04:55 PM
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Quote from madmax718 :
If you played monopoly, you already know that there is no asset called a "car".
Vehicles are a depreciating asset. This is why you can borrow against them. Unwise to get your accounting knowledge from a board game.
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Apr 09, 2024 04:58 PM
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leeterbikeApr 09, 2024 04:58 PM
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Quote from madmax718 :
Dunno where you can rent a sienna for 50 bucks a day, certainly no where I've seen in a metro city on the east coast.
Orlando and Tampa both have vans for that price. They might be Pacifica's.
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Apr 09, 2024 05:03 PM
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JeffJ9000Apr 09, 2024 05:03 PM
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Quote from DonV1962 :
They are expanding coal burning here in the US to let Panasonic build the batteries. My state has 30% green energy subsidies going to plants that burn wood and trash. Canada is cutting down forest to burn wood for supposed green products. Same in Germany where they are clearcutting ancient forests. Sweden gets 60% of it's supposed green energy from burning wood products.

https://cowboystatedaily.com/2023...-power-it/

Panasonic gets subsidized with US taxpayers dollars and the people of Kansas have to pay for more transmission lines and infrastructure to burn coal by way of higher electricity rates.

We are subsidizing coal burning to have foreign nations build EV components and everybody pays that price. China is burning more coal than ever to keep up with he demands of the green energy fans.

Hilarious that they feel they can lecture anybody about the planet. Rich city dwellers get taxpayer subsidies to destroy the planet and consider themselves heroes.
Yeah, sounds about right.
Apr 09, 2024 05:12 PM
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iamiamianApr 09, 2024 05:12 PM
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Quote from thanatossassin :
That's bullshit, the salesman wants to sell a car, they don't care where the money comes from, unless you're at a skeevy used car shop, at that point the joke's on you.
Why would a dealership forgo extra profit from a loan to sell for less profit on a cash deal?
Apr 09, 2024 05:45 PM
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jonhernApr 09, 2024 05:45 PM
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Never test drove this one but did test drive the Lexus version, really liked it but just much more than I wanted to spend on a used one, but a price like this for a lease would have made me overlook the range shortcomings, because everything else about the car I really liked. Not sure how the interior compares to the Lexus though.

Quote from thanatossassin :
That's bullshit, the salesman wants to sell a car, they don't care where the money comes from, unless you're at a skeevy used car shop, at that point the joke's on you.
no its true, I bought my car cash 3 years go, what a hassle it was, like they tried to charge me an extra $1k because I wasn't financing with them, and they actually had that disclaimer on the website that the price included a $1k discount for financing, they ended up leaving it off. They also kept messing up the paper work and I kept catching their mistakes since they were on autopilot drawing up the forms for financed cars. Went I brought the cashiers check in they acted like they never saw a check that big, i was really surprised. Not some small used car shop, a big Toyota dealership. My car was totaled this past winter so I had to get something else. Ended up at the same dealership since they had the car I wanted, this time since I was waiting on the insurance check decided to finance then pay it off with the first payment, was a breeze compared to last time. of course the finance guy tried to convince me i had to wait until the fourth month to pay it off or there would be a penalty but I knew all the paperwork said the opposite and paid it off right away once insurance paid out.
Apr 09, 2024 06:05 PM
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armando416Apr 09, 2024 06:05 PM
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Quote from thanatossassin :
That's bullshit, the salesman wants to sell a car, they don't care where the money comes from, unless you're at a skeevy used car shop, at that point the joke's on you.
I can promise you it's not BS. source: I've worked in auto finance most of my career.

Maybe you'll find some dealerships that really don't care. But when negotiating with these guys it's always best to hold most of your cards close to the vest. They may in fact be less inclined to cut you a good deal on one aspect of a deal when you're limiting their profit elsewhere. You need to look at every transaction holistically...e.g. maybe you think they're giving you top dollar for your trade, but they're holding $2k more profit on your new car than what they've been giving to others, and ultimately it's a wash
Apr 09, 2024 06:12 PM
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jonhernApr 09, 2024 06:12 PM
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Quote from mychaelp :
I can't replicate this deal in So Cal. Best I got so far was about $2,800 down and $289/month.
I don't think a Subaru is in my future. It's misleading. At least with Tesla the payment is exactly the same except the tax/registration part.
Curious about the Nissan Leaf I read in this thread though.

With EVs, the battery is the weak point of the purchase. It goes down to almost zero value at some point. I have 1998 Z3 and a 2002 Civic, both drive great. But an EV at that age may not do well, not matter the milage.
That at my two friends with Teslas have had the suspension mostly changed out after 40k miles. Luckily under warranty, but I warned them to maybe sell now or risk it happening again.
Civic suspension never changed a thing.
Z3 though did get new shocks and struts at 30k miles but that was because I wanted a smoother ride. lifetime warranty on them.
People worry way too much about the battery not to mention those that obsess about not charging them over 80%. Most people don't even keep their cars long enough to have the battery out of warranty which is 8-10 years depending on your state, way longer than car engines are warrantied for but people don't think the engine will just die after the 4 year warranty is done like they seem to do with EVs. I've seen people asking on other car sites how much will a new battery cost because they think they need to buy one after 100k miles. These things will likely last 20 years or more with most of their range, capacity loss levels off as the battery gets older. And it won't go down to zero value since they can be repurposed or recycled. For instance, while they won't be good enough for EV use if they degrade too much, they will be perfectly fine for home energy storage with solar systems.

The tech is still advancing too and getting cheaper every year, once we get to a point where some EVs will need replacement batteries they will likely be way cheaper than they are now. And we have a real world example that bears that out as this is what happened with the Prius batteries, all the naysayers saying the battery will cost a fortune to replace and now you can get one for early gen Prius for less than $1k and some have been documented to go 400k miles on the original battery.
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Apr 09, 2024 06:26 PM
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Ducman69Apr 09, 2024 06:26 PM
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Quote from jonhern :
People worry way too much about the battery not to mention those that obsess about not charging them over 80%. Most people don't even keep their cars long enough to have the battery out of warranty which is 8-10 years depending on your state, way longer than car engines are warrantied for but people don't think the engine will just die after the 4 year warranty is done like they seem to do with EVs.
If you are leasing, fine, if you are buying an EV, and there is only 3 years left on the battery, and for example with Hyundai its well documented that a replacement battery installed at a dealership costs MORE than a brand new replacement vehicle, then I'm not going to pay you much for that used EV.

That's why battery life matters, as these are going to be the first truly planned obsolescence vehicles, since as soon as the battery is toast, the vehicle is totalled. It doesn't matter what the price per lithium cell is, the batteries are proprietary, they are not user serviceable due to liquid cooling systems and extremely high dangerous voltages, and so you're at the mercy of what the manufacturer charges and they are intentionally overcharging for them to ensure old cars end up in the trash dump so they can sell more new ones.

Charging speed does matter if you aren't only driving places to where you can charge from your garage. Since some people park in apartment parking lots and can't charge everyday overnight, or go on road trips, then charging speed is extremely important.

Most vehicles fuel tanks can be filled from near empty in under 3 mins, and think about how long that feels when you are standing there. Now imagine the gas came out so slow that you'd have to stand there for 30 mins... that sucks! And for some its not 30 mins, its 3 hours if you are somewhere that doesn't have a functional fast charger.
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Apr 09, 2024 06:43 PM
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jonhernApr 09, 2024 06:43 PM
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Quote from Ducman69 :
If you are leasing, fine, if you are buying an EV, and there is only 3 years left on the battery, and for example with Hyundai its well documented that a replacement battery installed at a dealership costs MORE than a brand new replacement vehicle, then I'm not going to pay you much for that used EV.

That's why battery life matters, as these are going to be the first truly planned obsolescence vehicles, since as soon as the battery is toast, the vehicle is totalled. It doesn't matter what the price per lithium cell is, the batteries are proprietary, they are not user serviceable due to liquid cooling systems and extremely high dangerous voltages, and so you're at the mercy of what the manufacturer charges and they are intentionally overcharging for them to ensure old cars end up in the trash dump so they can sell more new ones.

Charging speed does matter if you aren't only driving places to where you can charge from your garage. Since some people park in apartment parking lots and can't charge everyday overnight, or go on road trips, then charging speed is extremely important.

Most vehicles fuel tanks can be filled from near empty in under 3 mins, and think about how long that feels when you are standing there. Now imagine the gas came out so slow that you'd have to stand there for 30 mins... that sucks! And for some its not 30 mins, its 3 hours if you are somewhere that doesn't have a functional fast charger.
what age of car are you alluding to in your example? and why would you think a used EV only has 3 years left on the battery? Again they don't just die after the warranty is done, just like ICE cars don't just die after the warranty is done. And yeah, that Hyundai example was for a brand new car that was damaged, i would hope you would have insurance on a brand new car, and that person's insurance covered a replacement car. Right now they are too new to have remanufactured or a wide availability of parts from junk yards, but as they become a larger part of the market, just like the Prius, those options will become available at lower costs if your battery calls it quits which again these things will likely last a couple of decades at least.
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