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Tesla is attempting to clear out inventory on existing Model Y. With the instant $7,500 tax credit, this is an up to $12,500 discount on a new Model Y.
Prices seem to be as follows: After the $7,500 credit and new discount, the Model Y RWD starts at $33,890, the Long Range at $37,490, and the range-topping Model Y Performance at $40,690.
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There's a pattern with Tesla threads here. I don't care if you all wanna discuss the deal or the cars but it always turns into paaaages and paaaages of bickering back and forth and nobody ,except for the few involved, enjoy that or wanna wade through that. So cut that stuff out, please and thank you.
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As far as range anxiety, that is not an issue at least on the west coast. I just drove the scenic route on HWY 1 & 101 from Orange Country to San Francisco and I had no problems finding superchargers en route. The most expensive one was in Santa Barbara and it was only $41 to fill up to 100%; on average it's about $25-30 to 80% which is the recommended daily level. Don't even get me started on how the free trial of FSD is a godsend on a long road trip especially in traffic.
I do see those lines for EV charging at the local Target and it does suck. We still have gas powered cars and I dread waiting at those Costco gas lines in prime time. So waiting for gas or charging is a bummer, however either can be mitigated by going early mornings or late nights. Normally I just charge at home overnight and it's good to go in the morning and that's even cheaper versus a supercharger, approximately $15-20 on average. Regardless, there's no disputing the fact that electricity is cheaper than gas especially here in Southern California.
As far as build quality, Teslas have come a long way from panel gaps in the early years. If you recall, nobody wanted to buy a Hyundai in its beginning and now they are one of the top manufacturers. And one very looked over point is Tesla is an US car company supplying jobs to thousands of Americans nationwide as well as overseas. Same as Ford, Chevy, and the other American car brands. And the cars are FAST AF. I got beat off the line on my Harley by a Tesla which shocked me and got me looking into one in the first place. My advice is go test drive one; it's no pressure sales unlike ICE dealers. In fact, you can test drive one at the mall while you're significant other shops. #IYKYK
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A recent study from Experian also found that Tesla is the number one car brand for brand loyalty. According to the survey, 74.7% of people that disposed of a Tesla car bought a new one.
Tesla's NPS (NPS, or the Net Promoter Score) score of 97 really is untouchable
From the data we have, Tesla's competitors have the following NPS scores:
Tesla Brand Loyalty: What Factors are Driving Tesla's NPS Score?
How can Tesla secure an NPS score of 97? It comes from a mix of an incredible product, transparent communications at all levels of the business, and a commitment to closing the loop on customer feedback.
It found that Tesla published ambitious range numbers that were on average two times greater than most other EV makers.
In 2020, the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) disputed Tesla CEO Elon Musk's claim that the agency had made a mistake in its test of the Model S sedan, which resulted in the agency noting a lower range for the vehicle.
A year later, a Norwegian court ordered Tesla to pay thousands of dollars to customers who reported slower charging times and reduced rage after the company issued a software update.
Earlier this year, South Korea fined Tesla $2.2 million for range exaggerations before the government pitched for a Tesla Gigafactory in the spring of 2023.
The EPA mandated that Tesla reduce the range estimates by an average of 3% for six of its vehicles beginning in the 2020 model year.
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A recent study from Experian also found that Tesla is the number one car brand for brand loyalty. According to the survey, 74.7% of people that disposed of a Tesla car bought a new one.
Tesla's NPS (NPS, or the Net Promoter Score) score of 97 really is untouchable
From the data we have, Tesla's competitors have the following NPS scores:
Tesla Brand Loyalty: What Factors are Driving Tesla's NPS Score?
How can Tesla secure an NPS score of 97? It comes from a mix of an incredible product, transparent communications at all levels of the business, and a commitment to closing the loop on customer feedback.
LOL. You do realize that Tesla has an incentivized referral program, right?
So, duh, yeah they will happily recommend a Tesla along with a referral code.
They should also include what percentage of the respondents were "investors" as well. Hmmm
I mean- does a dude complaining his Toyota engine died with barely 10k miles on it mean Toyota has terrible quality--- or just that every car maker has outlier parts failures?
We know for a fact that Tesla failures in the warranty period are exceedingly rare- because we know for a fact Tesla has the lowest warranty claim rate of any car maker selling in the US (roughly tied with Toyota in fact).
So "One dude had an issue" is not full of it.... but "the brand has a reliability problem because of that" certainly is full of it, and debunked by actual facts and data.
Likewise we've got fleet-wide data on range loss, and it shows that's also a problem that for a fact is not common.
But again it doesn't mean there's not the occasional person who has a genuine issue. No more than the guy whos Toyota engine died just after warranty is typical of the brand either.
Likewise the "look a panel gap" stuff.... you can find such one-off complaints from just about any brand of car--- but "Toyota minivan with bad panel gaps" doesn't get nearly as many clicks as a Tesla with the issue does- so guess which one gets a lot more press?
if Teslas were nearly the problem brand some folks here suggest you wouldn't get industry leading brand loyalty and recommendations..... though extra hilarious was the dude who tried to argue that high scores there suggested to him the quality was BAD because people won't admit mistakes.... but when I pointed out #2 highest score was Lexus/Toyota they insisted they only meant Tesla and we can trust the Toyota high score but not the Tesla one
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We know for a fact that Tesla failures in the warranty period are exceedingly rare- because we know for a fact Tesla has the lowest warranty claim rate of any car maker selling in the US (roughly tied with Toyota in fact).
So "One dude had an issue" is not full of it.... but "the brand has a reliability problem because of that" certainly is full of it, and debunked by actual facts and data.
Likewise we've got fleet-wide data on range loss, and it shows that's also a problem that for a fact is not common.
But again it doesn't mean there's not the occasional person who has a genuine issue. No more than the guy whos Toyota engine died just after warranty is typical of the brand either.
Likewise the "look a panel gap" stuff.... you can find such one-off complaints from just about any brand of car--- but "Toyota minivan with bad panel gaps" doesn't get nearly as many clicks as a Tesla with the issue does- so guess which one gets a lot more press?
if Teslas were nearly the problem brand some folks here suggest you wouldn't get industry leading brand loyalty and recommendations..... though extra hilarious was the dude who tried to argue that high scores there suggested to him the quality was BAD because people won't admit mistakes.... but when I pointed out #2 highest score was Lexus/Toyota they insisted they only meant Tesla and we can trust the Toyota high score but not the Tesla one
Prices will drop more.
Check your insurance rates. Could be a deal killer
He will be back with a tweet from Elon saying yes, Tesla is rated higher and declare himself the winner
Which part of the actual words I wrote were unclear to you?
Perhaps you need to see some data yourself?
https://www.warrantywee
That's the warranty claim rate as a percentage of total sales (so that you can fairly compare a company that sold 10 million cars versus one that sold 2 million and so on).
Sticking to brands actually sold in the US, the 3 most reliable (as defined by needing the lowest rate of warranty repairs) are:
Toyota at 0.85%, Ferrari at 0.9%, and Tesla at 1.1%.
(fi you're wondering why Chinese brands are so good in this measure there's a number of reasons including their warranties are shorter, they cover far less things, and their accounting methods on this stuff are different-- has been discussed elsewhere in detail if you wish to find it)
Anyway- Ferrari only sells a few thousand cars a year, for extreme premiums, so we can probably drop them out- leaving just Toyota and Tesla at the top of the most-reliable pile.
Honda and Nissan aren't TOO far behind- 1.35% and 1.2% respectively...
Remaining brands are all roughly 2-3 times worse than Tesla and Toyotas rates, though VW and Subaru are even worse than that (at 4.2% and 5% averages respectively).
In 2020 FWIW Tesla was #1, with Toyota 0.3% behind. In fact it's only very recently Toyota improved enough to be slightly ahead of Tesla (Teslas #s haven't varied much out of the 1.1-1.3% range the entire time they've been mass producing cars.... Toyotas average from 2014 through 2020 was nearly 2%).
Here's 2015-2019 for example showing you the above is true-
https://www.warrantywee
1.3% claim rate for Tesla in that period- 2.0% for Toyota.
So in terms of warranty claims rates adjusted for sales, I'm not "saying" Tesla is rated higher than Lexus/Toyota--- I'm showing you, for a fact with fleet wide data, they have been rated higher than Toyota for about as long as Tesla has been mass producing cars.... though there's been a couple years most recently where Toyota has improved enough to move slightly ahead, they're still behind if you average the #s from the last decade.
IOW if you thought Toyotas cars were reliable 5-10 years ago, Teslas were provably more so- as this data shows.
Now- if you are willing, in the face of learning new information, to reconsider your earlier claims on the topic---- that's great! I wish more people had open enough minds to do that.
But if you're instead going to continue citing reliability concerns despite all evidence saying they're unfounded-- and instead cite to things like one-off reddit threads where a few anecdotes don't outweigh entire-company metrics, then I suppose we'd have to drawn certain conclusions about your motivations for doing so.
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Perfect example of the absolutely fact-free nonsense EV hate posts I was talking about.
Tesla is the most financially sound car company in the world.
They've got near 30 billion in cash in the bank, a number that keeps going UP every year (it has almost doubled in the last 2 years), and very little debt in comparison.
On top of years of significant profits.
Compare to legacy auto- most of whom have as much, or more debt than they do cash, and whose profit per vehicle tends to be far lower-- in some cases having even posted outright losses in recent years.
Ford- for example, has ~40 billion in cash (down ~4 billion from 2022, which was itself down another 5 billion from 2021).... and 151 billion in debt. So almost 4 times more debt than cash.
Likewise Toyota has about 87B in cash, and about 241B in debt.
(TBF a lot of that debt is their financing arms, but the remaining debt is still a substantial portion of cash on hand- unlike Tesla).
Extra weird- these posts often come from folks with basically no previous posts on here. Strange, huh?