I have been looking forward for the Windows ARM release on the new SnapDragon chip and was browsing the available models and saw bestbuy had all of them listed together a long with the TV promo.
Seems decent enough, some of the HP and Lenovo computers are $1199 with the new Snapdragon Chip for Windows AR and Copilot-PC. The TV should be worth $150-$200? This makes the computer $1199 minus the TV cost gives you a $999-$1049 machine with fastest and energy efficient chip for Windows, OLED, 16GB RAM and 256-512GB SSD.
Promo on the webpage says -
Purchase a Copilot+ PC device below, and a free 50" class TV will be added automatically.
When you buy a Samsung device below, get a Samsung 50" Class DU7200 Series 4K UHD TV.
When you buy a Surface, HP, Lenovo or Dell device below, get an Insignia™ 50" Class F30 Series 4K UHD TV.
I'd highly recommend avoiding these Snapdragon based laptops. They are Arm based, so everything (99.99% of Applications) has to be translated from x86-x64 code to Arm, this leads to lower performance than benchmarks show, a battery life hit, and some applications and games not running at all or with bugs. If you ONLY plan to stick to the basics like a chromebook can such as browsing, office, then they will be great, but the more you use your laptop the less ideal these are.
The next gen Intel and AMD chips are right around the corner and expected to surpass or match these Snapdragon chips in most ways, without the Arm based issues.
So much misinformation here. You should really know the subject you're talking about if you're going to post. First, it is absolutely untrue that 99.99% of applications will need to be "translated". The correct word is emulated, but despite that, it's advertised there are more than 175 apps in "ready to go" ARM versions at launch, including the basics from Microsoft and Adobe, and browsers and very quickly developers will recompile their apps for ARM. Apple did it for Mac when they switched to Apple Silicon. Have you happened to notice how the entire world LOVES the performance and battery life of (ARM) Apple Silicon M-series Mac's? Snapdragon is the same.
Since you seem so educated, how much of a battery life hit and performance drop did you see when you tested running Intel apps on the Snapdragon? Please share your results.
Your advice in avoiding Snapdragon is misdirected and sounds very biased. Are you a stockholder in Intel or AMD maybe?
I'd highly recommend avoiding these Snapdragon based laptops. They are Arm based, so everything (99.99% of Applications) has to be translated from x86-x64 code to Arm, this leads to lower performance than benchmarks show, a battery life hit, and some applications and games not running at all or with bugs. If you ONLY plan to stick to the basics like a chromebook can such as browsing, office, then they will be great, but the more you use your laptop the less ideal these are.
The next gen Intel and AMD chips are right around the corner and expected to surpass or match these Snapdragon chips in most ways, without the Arm based issues.
This isn't right. The apps that constitute 99% of usage are already optimized for ARM, like MS Office, all the browsers, Photoshop, Spotify, Figma, Zoom, etc.
So much misinformation here. You should really know the subject you're talking about if you're going to post. First, it is absolutely untrue that 99.99% of applications will need to be "translated". The correct word is emulated, but despite that, it's advertised there are more than 175 apps in "ready to go" ARM versions at launch, including the basics from Microsoft and Adobe, and browsers and very quickly developers will recompile their apps for ARM. Apple did it for Mac when they switched to Apple Silicon. Have you happened to notice how the entire world LOVES the performance and battery life of (ARM) Apple Silicon M-series Mac's? Snapdragon is the same.
Since you seem so educated, how much of a battery life hit and performance drop did you see when you tested running Intel apps on the Snapdragon? Please share your results.
Your advice in avoiding Snapdragon is misdirected and sounds very biased. Are you a stockholder in Intel or AMD maybe?
So, do you or anyone else know which major VPNs are or will shortly be ARM-ready? I'm not having much luck and my current VPN is not.
So, do you or anyone else know which major VPNs are or will shortly be ARM-ready? I'm not having much luck and my current VPN is not.
Otherwise, I am really intrigued.
I think your answer will be more easily answered closer to the release of the Snapdragon laptops. We're still a month away from many of them. Software companies aren't going to advertise new versions when then hardware isn't even available yet.
So much misinformation here. You should really know the subject you're talking about if you're going to post. First, it is absolutely untrue that 99.99% of applications will need to be "translated". The correct word is emulated, but despite that, it's advertised there are more than 175 apps in "ready to go" ARM versions at launch, including the basics from Microsoft and Adobe, and browsers and very quickly developers will recompile their apps for ARM. Apple did it for Mac when they switched to Apple Silicon. Have you happened to notice how the entire world LOVES the performance and battery life of (ARM) Apple Silicon M-series Mac's? Snapdragon is the same.
Since you seem so educated, how much of a battery life hit and performance drop did you see when you tested running Intel apps on the Snapdragon? Please share your results.
Your advice in avoiding Snapdragon is misdirected and sounds very biased. Are you a stockholder in Intel or AMD maybe?
I think that person was referring to the previous failed attempt(s) on Windows using ARM Snapdragon (and other brands) processors. It sounds like this time around, it will be different, but to be fair, there hasn't been much info on why it would be different this time around and how good this will be with x86 applications initially. The Apple transition is easier because Apple monopolizes and controls everything in its ecosystem. They are the sole hardware manufacturer for iOS computers, so software makers didn't have a choice. Someone on here mentioned that the emulation will be better this time around but I have not sen any proof of that.
I think that person was referring to the previous failed attempt(s) on Windows using ARM Snapdragon (and other brands) processors. It sounds like this time around, it will be different, but to be fair, there hasn't been much info on why it would be different this time around and how good this will be with x86 applications initially. The Apple transition is easier because Apple monopolizes and controls everything in its ecosystem. They are the sole hardware manufacturer for iOS computers, so software makers didn't have a choice. Someone on here mentioned that the emulation will be better this time around but I have not sen any proof of that.
I didn't see anything in the past tense from that post...it sounded just like it read and that being to stay away from the Snapdragon X Elite because there's no apps, etc.,etc.
I agree previous attempts at Windows on ARM were not good. Times have changed. Apple has shown a major OS can be (more or less) seamlessly moved from Intel to ARM. Hopefully, Windows will do something like Apple does with Universal Apps where Intel and ARM versions are in the same package.
I wonder if this is the new keyboard and if a pen comes with it? The image shows a pen. Also, will it ship at the same time as the other lower storage tablets?
So much misinformation here. You should really know the subject you're talking about if you're going to post. First, it is absolutely untrue that 99.99% of applications will need to be "translated". The correct word is emulated, but despite that, it's advertised there are more than 175 apps in "ready to go" ARM versions at launch, including the basics from Microsoft and Adobe, and browsers and very quickly developers will recompile their apps for ARM. Apple did it for Mac when they switched to Apple Silicon. Have you happened to notice how the entire world LOVES the performance and battery life of (ARM) Apple Silicon M-series Mac's? Snapdragon is the same.
Since you seem so educated, how much of a battery life hit and performance drop did you see when you tested running Intel apps on the Snapdragon? Please share your results.
Your advice in avoiding Snapdragon is misdirected and sounds very biased. Are you a stockholder in Intel or AMD maybe?
One of the test reports. (Commissioned by Microsoft so still need some real people testing ) shows new Prism emulation beat some of the 12th gen's running native apps. That's pretty damn good!
I am Apple fan boy lol but I will get one of these to try!
I didn't see anything in the past tense from that post...it sounded just like it read and that being to stay away from the Snapdragon X Elite because there's no apps, etc.,etc.
I agree previous attempts at Windows on ARM were not good. Times have changed. Apple has shown a major OS can be (more or less) seamlessly moved from Intel to ARM. Hopefully, Windows will do something like Apple does with Universal Apps where Intel and ARM versions are in the same package.
Supposed to support 64bit emulation this time around finally!
I wonder if this is the new keyboard and if a pen comes with it? The image shows a pen. Also, will it ship at the same time as the other lower storage tablets?
I think that person was referring to the previous failed attempt(s) on Windows using ARM Snapdragon (and other brands) processors. It sounds like this time around, it will be different, but to be fair, there hasn't been much info on why it would be different this time around and how good this will be with x86 applications initially. The Apple transition is easier because Apple monopolizes and controls everything in its ecosystem. They are the sole hardware manufacturer for iOS computers, so software makers didn't have a choice. Someone on here mentioned that the emulation will be better this time around but I have not sen any proof of that.
To add to your point, last time only Microsoft was pushing for arm half-heartedly, this time around Qualcomm and Samsung plus all the major PC vendors are working together. When did you see a free TV for buying a new laptop last time? What changes the narrative, IMHO, is the cloud + local inference of LLMs and AI integrated apps. But are all the AI PCs a game changer or just another gimmick? I'm looking forward to finding that out soon.
these Windows systems include a RECALL system that takes screenshots of your screen(yes, including bank infos if that's what is n the screen) and it stores them on your system in a system similar to Time Machine but much more invasive.
Do your own research.. as this is MAJOR privacy issue..
these Windows systems include a RECALL system that takes screenshots of your screen(yes, including bank infos if that's what is n the screen) and it stores them on your system in a system similar to Time Machine but much more invasive.
Do your own research.. as this is MAJOR privacy issue..
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The next gen Intel and AMD chips are right around the corner and expected to surpass or match these Snapdragon chips in most ways, without the Arm based issues.
Since you seem so educated, how much of a battery life hit and performance drop did you see when you tested running Intel apps on the Snapdragon? Please share your results.
Your advice in avoiding Snapdragon is misdirected and sounds very biased. Are you a stockholder in Intel or AMD maybe?
The next gen Intel and AMD chips are right around the corner and expected to surpass or match these Snapdragon chips in most ways, without the Arm based issues.
Since you seem so educated, how much of a battery life hit and performance drop did you see when you tested running Intel apps on the Snapdragon? Please share your results.
Your advice in avoiding Snapdragon is misdirected and sounds very biased. Are you a stockholder in Intel or AMD maybe?
Otherwise, I am really intrigued.
Otherwise, I am really intrigued.
Since you seem so educated, how much of a battery life hit and performance drop did you see when you tested running Intel apps on the Snapdragon? Please share your results.
Your advice in avoiding Snapdragon is misdirected and sounds very biased. Are you a stockholder in Intel or AMD maybe?
I agree previous attempts at Windows on ARM were not good. Times have changed. Apple has shown a major OS can be (more or less) seamlessly moved from Intel to ARM. Hopefully, Windows will do something like Apple does with Universal Apps where Intel and ARM versions are in the same package.
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Of course it sucks
https://www.costco.com/microsoft-...74473.html
Since you seem so educated, how much of a battery life hit and performance drop did you see when you tested running Intel apps on the Snapdragon? Please share your results.
Your advice in avoiding Snapdragon is misdirected and sounds very biased. Are you a stockholder in Intel or AMD maybe?
One of the test reports. (Commissioned by Microsoft so still need some real people testing ) shows new Prism emulation beat some of the 12th gen's running native apps. That's pretty damn good!
I am Apple fan boy lol but I will get one of these to try!
I agree previous attempts at Windows on ARM were not good. Times have changed. Apple has shown a major OS can be (more or less) seamlessly moved from Intel to ARM. Hopefully, Windows will do something like Apple does with Universal Apps where Intel and ARM versions are in the same package.
Supposed to support 64bit emulation this time around finally!
https://www.costco.com/microsoft-...74473.html
Since one of the picture showed keyboard detached then I think this is the new version of the keyboard that can run disconnected from the device
Old keyboard still works. No need to buy new if you have old kb (I think sp 9 type). Sp7 is different if you are coming from sp7 or sp8
Pen did not have any improvement.
these Windows systems include a RECALL system that takes screenshots of your screen(yes, including bank infos if that's what is n the screen) and it stores them on your system in a system similar to Time Machine but much more invasive.
Do your own research.. as this is MAJOR privacy issue..
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cpwwqp6nx14o
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these Windows systems include a RECALL system that takes screenshots of your screen(yes, including bank infos if that's what is n the screen) and it stores them on your system in a system similar to Time Machine but much more invasive.
Do your own research.. as this is MAJOR privacy issue..
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cpwwqp6nx14o