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Sigma 12-24mm f/4 DG HSM Art Lens for Canon EF. $749.00 @B&H Deal ZONE

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Jun 11, 2024 06:18 AM
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LavenderPickle7682Jun 11, 2024 06:18 AM
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Although an excellent price (this one is brand new, and just slightly more expensive current used prices), it's still a lens that performs considerably less than the Canon equivalent (Canon EF 11-24mm f/4L USM). Used copies of those tend to go for around $900 (solely because the RF version 10-20mm is a considerable improvement over the older EF version, so folks are ditching their EF glass).

The higher build quality of the Canon, coupled with the full weather sealing and better optics --- along with the extra 1mm on the wider end (which in wide-angle lenses actually DOES matter a lot)....it might just be worth putting that $750 new towards the ~$900 used for the better Canon version.

Both this and the Canon equivalent are heavy, bulky lenses.

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If you simply want full-frame wide angle, you can get older versions of this Sigma lens (Sigma 12-24mm f/4.5-5.6 EX DG HSM) for less than $200 used. They perform not as well, but it's a fraction of the price for wide angle.

If you're using an APS-C sensor camera, getting this posted Sigma lens would be an arguable waste of your money (given the crop sensor magnification). You'd be better served by the Canon EF-S 10-18mm lens. It's a bargain performer at less than $150 used -- and it's featherweight. The RF-S successor is even better, smaller, and lighter -- commonly on sale for $200 new.
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Jun 11, 2024 10:58 PM
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im14abeerJun 11, 2024 10:58 PM
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Thanks for taking the time to write that. This is really a pretty niche lens even for landscape photography. Once you get this wide, the trade off is distortion and vignetting. This is an excellent price though, and it gives you a lot of real estate to work with as you crop. When you've got to have it, there's no substitute, but most of the time you'd be better off with a tighter lens. That said, sometimes you just can't get farther away. Me, I'll stitch a few frames together.
Jun 12, 2024 04:36 AM
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amaxJun 12, 2024 04:36 AM
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Quote from LavenderPickle7682 :
Although an excellent price (this one is brand new, and just slightly more expensive current used prices), it's still a lens that performs considerably less than the Canon equivalent (Canon EF 11-24mm f/4L USM). Used copies of those tend to go for around $900 (solely because the RF version 10-20mm is a considerable improvement over the older EF version, so folks are ditching their EF glass).

The higher build quality of the Canon, coupled with the full weather sealing and better optics --- along with the extra 1mm on the wider end (which in wide-angle lenses actually DOES matter a lot)....it might just be worth putting that $750 new towards the ~$900 used for the better Canon version.

Both this and the Canon equivalent are heavy, bulky lenses.

-----

If you simply want full-frame wide angle, you can get older versions of this Sigma lens (Sigma 12-24mm f/4.5-5.6 EX DG HSM) for less than $200 used. They perform not as well, but it's a fraction of the price for wide angle.

If you're using an APS-C sensor camera, getting this posted Sigma lens would be an arguable waste of your money (given the crop sensor magnification). You'd be better served by the Canon EF-S 10-18mm lens. It's a bargain performer at less than $150 used -- and it's featherweight. The RF-S successor is even better, smaller, and lighter -- commonly on sale for $200 new.
Actually, by a huge margin, the winner in this space is Tamron's 15-30mm full-frame f/2.8 zoom with image stabilization.
Jun 12, 2024 05:17 AM
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LavenderPickle7682Jun 12, 2024 05:17 AM
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Quote from amax :
Actually, by a huge margin, the winner in this space is Tamron's 15-30mm full-frame f/2.8 zoom with image stabilization.
...15mm is a far cry from 10mm.
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Jun 12, 2024 03:05 PM
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yashartJun 12, 2024 03:05 PM
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Quote from LavenderPickle7682 :
Although an excellent price (this one is brand new, and just slightly more expensive current used prices), it's still a lens that performs considerably less than the Canon equivalent (Canon EF 11-24mm f/4L USM). Used copies of those tend to go for around $900 (solely because the RF version 10-20mm is a considerable improvement over the older EF version, so folks are ditching their EF glass).

The higher build quality of the Canon, coupled with the full weather sealing and better optics --- along with the extra 1mm on the wider end (which in wide-angle lenses actually DOES matter a lot)....it might just be worth putting that $750 new towards the ~$900 used for the better Canon version.

Both this and the Canon equivalent are heavy, bulky lenses.

-----

If you simply want full-frame wide angle, you can get older versions of this Sigma lens (Sigma 12-24mm f/4.5-5.6 EX DG HSM) for less than $200 used. They perform not as well, but it's a fraction of the price for wide angle.

If you're using an APS-C sensor camera, getting this posted Sigma lens would be an arguable waste of your money (given the crop sensor magnification). You'd be better served by the Canon EF-S 10-18mm lens. It's a bargain performer at less than $150 used -- and it's featherweight. The RF-S successor is even better, smaller, and lighter -- commonly on sale for $200 new.
Definitely some truth to this, but were not really comparing apples to apples here. The Canon version is a superior lens, with a much heftier price tag brand new (even the refurb price is 3.5x more than the Sigma).

The Sigma Art series are built very well and are highly regarded. I own several primes myself and prefer them over their Canon equivalent. This is a good lens at a decent price. Brand new with 4 year warranty may give buyers peace of mind, vs. the unknown of someone else's used glass. The Canon version came out in 2015, so there is a bit of lottery there on what you are getting second hand and even how long Canon will continue to service this model.

I think sometimes photographers get caught up in pixel peeping, and evaluating sharpness in the corners when shooting wide open, etc. etc. At the end of the day, this lens performs well in capable hands. And if you need a lens in this focal range, just because the Canon is better doesn't make this a bad option to fill that gap.
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Jun 12, 2024 03:46 PM
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amaxJun 12, 2024 03:46 PM
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Quote from LavenderPickle7682 :
...15mm is a far cry from 10mm.
Less so for 11mm or 12mm on-topic, but also, I wrote neighborhood and meant it: ultra-wide and getting ridiculous at full-frame. You conveniently ignore that f/4 is dark/less versatile, and lack of O.I.S. is a huge factor too. Tamron FTW.
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TheEmrysJun 12, 2024 05:29 PM
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I wouldn't buy into any of these dead mounts, unless you will die using that mount.
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NSXMK3Jun 12, 2024 06:16 PM
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Quote from TheEmrys :
I wouldn't buy into any of these dead mounts, unless you will die using that mount.
Dead mount (in terms of no new Canon-branded EF lenses being producted), but still a very strong system which can be easily adapter to newer mounts like the R-series. I have 2x R-Series Mirrorless cameras and have bought about 5-6 of these Sigma art EF lenses since switching to the R.
You have the benefit of using on both an EOS and R series camera, reselling opens up the market a bit more, and the price is considerably less than equivalent R alternatives.
You have the added weight, but if you can get past that the lenses are solid.
It's definitely different than buying an M-Series lens at this point

Hoping we see actual R-Series mounts from Sigma (with AF) soon
Jun 12, 2024 06:23 PM
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NSXMK3Jun 12, 2024 06:23 PM
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I was on the fence between this and the Sigma Art 14-24mm f2.8 lens for a while, and opted for the 14-24. Still an art lens, 2mm tighter of a crop (14mm vs 12mm) but a full stop faster (f2.8 vs f4).

It can be had used for a bit less than this one ($660 on ebay right now, from japan) but still carries a high MSRP ($1399)

Trade-off is between the faster stop or the wider angle, so one might be an easier sell for some more than others.

The 12-24 is still a great deal, but just wanted to throw that other option out there since it's pretty comparable in price!
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LavenderPickle7682Jun 12, 2024 06:27 PM
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Quote from yashart :
Definitely some truth to this, but were not really comparing apples to apples here. The Canon version is a superior lens, with a much heftier price tag brand new (even the refurb price is 3.5x more than the Sigma).

The Sigma Art series are built very well and are highly regarded. I own several primes myself and prefer them over their Canon equivalent. This is a good lens at a decent price. Brand new with 4 year warranty may give buyers peace of mind, vs. the unknown of someone else's used glass. The Canon version came out in 2015, so there is a bit of lottery there on what you are getting second hand and even how long Canon will continue to service this model.

I think sometimes photographers get caught up in pixel peeping, and evaluating sharpness in the corners when shooting wide open, etc. etc. At the end of the day, this lens performs well in capable hands. And if you need a lens in this focal range, just because the Canon is better doesn't make this a bad option to fill that gap.
I didn't realize that $900 was 3.5x more than $750.
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LavenderPickle7682Jun 12, 2024 06:27 PM
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Quote from amax :
Less so for 11mm or 12mm on-topic, but also, I wrote neighborhood and meant it: ultra-wide and getting ridiculous at full-frame. You conveniently ignore that f/4 is dark/less versatile, and lack of O.I.S. is a huge factor too. Tamron FTW.
No, actually 11mm/12mm is still a far cry from 15mm. But hey, you do you.
Jun 12, 2024 06:44 PM
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amaxJun 12, 2024 06:44 PM
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Quote from LavenderPickle7682 :
No, actually 11mm/12mm is still a far cry from 15mm. But hey, you do you.
Gawd, yur dumb.

Again, I remind you of the balance between focal length and other features. Plus, you keep ignoring crop versus full-frame, like a real amateur (you doing you).
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Jun 12, 2024 06:48 PM
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LavenderPickle7682Jun 12, 2024 06:48 PM
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Quote from amax :
Gawd, yur dumb.

Again, I remind you of the balance between focal length and other features. Plus, you keep ignoring crop versus full-frame, like a real amateur (you doing you).
I literally didn't ignore the crop factor, I mentioned it in my first post on this thread. Please learn how to read!
Jun 12, 2024 06:57 PM
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yashartJun 12, 2024 06:57 PM
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Quote from LavenderPickle7682 :
I didn't realize that $900 was 3.5x more than $750.
You're comparing brand new with a 4 year warranty to the lottery of 2nd hand used glass? How is that apples to apples?

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init0Jun 12, 2024 09:49 PM
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All Sony here, but I knew from the thread title there would be
some johnson measuring in this one lol.
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