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64GB (2x32GB) G.SKILL Trident Z5 RGB 6400 DDR5 Desktop RAM

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Newegg via eBay has 64GB (2x32GB) G.SKILL Trident Z5 RGB 6400 DDR5 RAM (F5-6400J3239G32GX2-TZ5RK) for $214.99 - 20% off with coupon code JULY4DEALS (apply at checkout) = $171.99. Shipping is free.

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  • Memory Type: DDR5
  • Capacity: 64GB (32GBx2)
  • Multi-Channel Kit: Dual Channel Kit
  • Tested Speed (XMP/EXPO): 6400 MT/s
  • Tested Latency (XMP/EXPO): 32-39-39-102
  • Tested Voltage (XMP/EXPO): 1.40V
  • Registered/Unbuffered: Unbuffered
  • Err or Checking (ECC): Non-ECC
  • SPD Speed (Default): 4800 MT/s
  • SPD Voltage (Default): 1.10V
  • Warranty: Limited Lifetime
  • Features: Intel XMP 3.0 (Extreme Memory Profile) Ready

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    • This is $23 lower than the next lowest price from a reputable merchant with prices starting from $195.
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Newegg via eBay has 64GB (2x32GB) G.SKILL Trident Z5 RGB 6400 DDR5 RAM (F5-6400J3239G32GX2-TZ5RK) for $214.99 - 20% off with coupon code JULY4DEALS (apply at checkout) = $171.99. Shipping is free.

Thanks to Staff Member Eragorn for finding this deal.

Specs (link):
  • Memory Type: DDR5
  • Capacity: 64GB (32GBx2)
  • Multi-Channel Kit: Dual Channel Kit
  • Tested Speed (XMP/EXPO): 6400 MT/s
  • Tested Latency (XMP/EXPO): 32-39-39-102
  • Tested Voltage (XMP/EXPO): 1.40V
  • Registered/Unbuffered: Unbuffered
  • Err or Checking (ECC): Non-ECC
  • SPD Speed (Default): 4800 MT/s
  • SPD Voltage (Default): 1.10V
  • Warranty: Limited Lifetime
  • Features: Intel XMP 3.0 (Extreme Memory Profile) Ready

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    • This is $23 lower than the next lowest price from a reputable merchant with prices starting from $195.
  • Please see the original post for additional details & give the WIKI and additional forum comments a read for helpful discussion.

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Ddr5 6000 cl30 and ddr5 6400 cl32 generally use the exact same hynix memory chips with very similar binning; so if you'll be manually tuning your memory there's functionally no difference for either intel or amd. Latency is also functionally identical. The performance difference between ddr5 6000 cl30 and ddr5 6400 cl32 with default expo or xmp timings is quite minimal on both amd and intel systems (assuming settings are left at default expo/xmp, and that on amd you aren't increasing the uclk (memory clock for the cpu's memory controller) or fclk (cpu's fabric clock) for the 6400 kit). Intel systems will utilize ddr5 6400 properly straight out of the box. With amd, if you're unwilling to properly stress test your system to see if it can handle a 3200mhz uclk (and an increase of fclk to 2100 or 2133mhz to go with it), you'd be best served simply using the expo settings from an equivalent 6000 cl30 kit using the same memory chips, the binning is extremely similar. Timings will be trash, but that's normal with expo/xmp, and stability is king for most use cases. While this kit is technically meant for intel since it only has xmp, realistically it shouldn't cause any issues on an amd system.

The reason ddr5 6000 is generally considered the sweet spot for amd zen 4 is that the memory controller clock can be run at a 1:1 ratio with the the memory regardless of silicon quality (clock of 3000mhz, remember ddr is double data rate, meaning ddr5 6000mt/s is 3000mhz). For amd systems, in your bios make sure that uclck is set equal to mclck (the setting should be called something like uclk div1 mode), all non-defective zen 4 cpus should be capable of running the memory controller at 3000mhz without errors. With earlier agesa versions you'd have to win the silicon lottery in order to have a memory controller capable of running at 3200mhz with absolute stability, which is required to be 1:1 with ddr5 6400. Recent agesa updates have improved this, but it's still not absolutely guaranteed every zen 4 cpu will have a memory controller capable of running at 3200mhz. Additionally, you'll want to set your fclk to at least 2100mhz for ddr5 6400 memory, which once again not all zen 4 cpus are able to do. Therefore, the guidance of ddr5 6000 being the "sweet spot" still applies. Simply put, if you aren't interested in learning how to properly tune and stress test your system, just stick with ddr5 6000 for zen 4.

It's also important to remember that this 64gb (2x32) kit is dual rank rather than single rank like the 32gb (2x16) kits you'll normally see. There are some (very) minor performance benefits to having 2 ranks per channel, though this also means you won't be able to push the clock of this ram as high with overclocking.

Ultimately, if you truly need 64gb of ram, this is a rather good price. This is the cheapest I've seen in a while for a 64gb kit from a reputable manufacturer with hynix memory chips, which are the the best chips currently available (all higher end kits are simply using better bins of these chips). However, I'd caution gamers and those who don't have memory intensive workloads that require massive amounts of ram to stick with cheaper 32gb kits. Having 32gb is already overkill for gaming and essentially all non-productivity use-cases, and trying to future-proof based on capacity isn't worthwhile at all. A few years from now, if you end up needing more ram, you'll be able to get higher capacity and faster kits for less money.

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Jun 29, 2024 10:53 PM
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DealSeekerJuly2022Jun 29, 2024 10:53 PM
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This or 6000 cl30?
Jun 30, 2024 06:04 AM
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McLovinItJun 30, 2024 06:04 AM
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Bought. Thanks!
Jun 30, 2024 06:47 AM
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GnarlyDavidsonJun 30, 2024 06:47 AM
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Quote from DealSeekerJuly2022 :
This or 6000 cl30?
6000 cl30 is supposedly the "sweet spot" for AMD
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Quote from DealSeekerJuly2022 :
This or 6000 cl30?
Ddr5 6000 cl30 and ddr5 6400 cl32 generally use the exact same hynix memory chips with very similar binning; so if you'll be manually tuning your memory there's functionally no difference for either intel or amd. Latency is also functionally identical. The performance difference between ddr5 6000 cl30 and ddr5 6400 cl32 with default expo or xmp timings is quite minimal on both amd and intel systems (assuming settings are left at default expo/xmp, and that on amd you aren't increasing the uclk (memory clock for the cpu's memory controller) or fclk (cpu's fabric clock) for the 6400 kit). Intel systems will utilize ddr5 6400 properly straight out of the box. With amd, if you're unwilling to properly stress test your system to see if it can handle a 3200mhz uclk (and an increase of fclk to 2100 or 2133mhz to go with it), you'd be best served simply using the expo settings from an equivalent 6000 cl30 kit using the same memory chips, the binning is extremely similar. Timings will be trash, but that's normal with expo/xmp, and stability is king for most use cases. While this kit is technically meant for intel since it only has xmp, realistically it shouldn't cause any issues on an amd system.

The reason ddr5 6000 is generally considered the sweet spot for amd zen 4 is that the memory controller clock can be run at a 1:1 ratio with the the memory regardless of silicon quality (clock of 3000mhz, remember ddr is double data rate, meaning ddr5 6000mt/s is 3000mhz). For amd systems, in your bios make sure that uclck is set equal to mclck (the setting should be called something like uclk div1 mode), all non-defective zen 4 cpus should be capable of running the memory controller at 3000mhz without errors. With earlier agesa versions you'd have to win the silicon lottery in order to have a memory controller capable of running at 3200mhz with absolute stability, which is required to be 1:1 with ddr5 6400. Recent agesa updates have improved this, but it's still not absolutely guaranteed every zen 4 cpu will have a memory controller capable of running at 3200mhz. Additionally, you'll want to set your fclk to at least 2100mhz for ddr5 6400 memory, which once again not all zen 4 cpus are able to do. Therefore, the guidance of ddr5 6000 being the "sweet spot" still applies. Simply put, if you aren't interested in learning how to properly tune and stress test your system, just stick with ddr5 6000 for zen 4.

It's also important to remember that this 64gb (2x32) kit is dual rank rather than single rank like the 32gb (2x16) kits you'll normally see. There are some (very) minor performance benefits to having 2 ranks per channel, though this also means you won't be able to push the clock of this ram as high with overclocking.

Ultimately, if you truly need 64gb of ram, this is a rather good price. This is the cheapest I've seen in a while for a 64gb kit from a reputable manufacturer with hynix memory chips, which are the the best chips currently available (all higher end kits are simply using better bins of these chips). However, I'd caution gamers and those who don't have memory intensive workloads that require massive amounts of ram to stick with cheaper 32gb kits. Having 32gb is already overkill for gaming and essentially all non-productivity use-cases, and trying to future-proof based on capacity isn't worthwhile at all. A few years from now, if you end up needing more ram, you'll be able to get higher capacity and faster kits for less money.
Last edited by BeigeRoad455 June 30, 2024 at 01:35 AM.
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Jun 30, 2024 05:46 PM
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TidalWaveOneJun 30, 2024 05:46 PM
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Quote from BeigeRoad455 :
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Therefore, the guidance of ddr5 6000 being the "sweet spot" still applies. Simply put, if you aren't interested in learning how to properly tune and stress test your system, just stick with ddr5 6000 for zen 4.
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Thanks... good info... any thoughts on if 6000 will still be the "sweet spot" for zen 5? Or too early to tell?
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anort3Jun 30, 2024 07:13 PM
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Quote from TidalWaveOne :
Thanks... good info... any thoughts on if 6000 will still be the "sweet spot" for zen 5? Or too early to tell?
AMD is revising the memory controller for Zen 5. 6400 may very well be the new 'sweet spot'.

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-r...ry-support
Last edited by anort3 June 30, 2024 at 12:15 PM.
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opie1234Jun 30, 2024 07:15 PM
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Quote from BeigeRoad455 :
...and trying to future-proof based on capacity isn't worthwhile at all. A few years from now, if you end up needing more ram, you'll be able to get higher capacity and faster kits for less money.
This has never worked out for me. By the time i need more, they are never making my kind of RAM anymore. All I can ever find is used or on eBay for 3x the price. I want to get another set now, but as I understand it, having all 4 RAM slots filled can slow it down (something helpful gets disabled I think on Intel boards).


Side note, I have this ram kit on my new build (early 2024). One ever had 1 issue, it has been troublesome to get the RGBs to sync with Aura (ASUS lighting controller). Sometimes they sync just fine, sometimes they do their own thing.

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hubernomiddlesngJun 30, 2024 08:10 PM
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Quote from opie1234 :
This has never worked out for me. By the time i need more, they are never making my kind of RAM anymore. All I can ever find is used or on eBay for 3x the price. I want to get another set now, but as I understand it, having all 4 RAM slots filled can slow it down (something helpful gets disabled I think on Intel boards).


Side note, I have this ram kit on my new build (early 2024). One ever had 1 issue, it has been troublesome to get the RGBs to sync with Aura (ASUS lighting controller). Sometimes they sync just fine, sometimes they do their own thing.
What, are you looking to buy DDR3 right now or something? I think you're using that advice wrong, it's typically advice for the newest stuff and common/general-use products on the market and not stuff that's already bottomed out in terms of price and/of incredibly niche.
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motaku96Jun 30, 2024 09:00 PM
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Deals on ddr5 ram are pretty hard to come by.
It kinda stinks that the coupon is applied after tax is calculated, so you're paying tax on the original price.
For those new to ddr5, note that you can't really use all 4 slots on your motherboard if you want to get the full speed out of it. Just stick to using dual channel.
Jul 01, 2024 01:46 AM
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opie1234Jul 01, 2024 01:46 AM
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Quote from herbsprovence :
What, are you looking to buy DDR3 right now or something? I think you're using that advice wrong, it's typically advice for the newest stuff and common/general-use products on the market and not stuff that's already bottomed out in terms of price and/of incredibly niche.
not now, a few years back. my last PC was built with 2x 8gb DDR3 sticks in 2015, top of the line then. when it was time for 2 more (5 years later) it was no longer available but used and ebay for $100s. same with video card when i needed more power, no longer available for SLI treatment. you cannot build a PC on the high end and expect that by the time you new more parts, they will be available. high end gaming PCs will last 5 years before you will need to upgrade, by then, the parts will not exist in stores to add to your rig. you will have to start all over with a new PC build. I managed to stretch it to 9 years before it just wouldn't run games at all (RDR2 said nope! and wasn't win11 capable.)

this is how ALL of my custom gaming PCs have gone since 1996. by the time i need more power, nothing is made that will fit my motherboard. maybe if you build a budget PC and need more power in say 2 years, this could work. but never has for any of my 5 self built high end gaming PCs. they were all just a snapshot in time of gaming hardware, but lasted 5-9 years without anything more than extra storage (which i cannot use in my new PC because they are outdated).

to not know this strong possibility is to do a disservice to just say "upgrade later" unless you want to pay an arm and leg for parts not made in 3 years. you will likely never get the chance to do a upgrades as you suggest to any high end PCs.

you think im wrong? okay. dont really care. bye.
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redvibezJul 01, 2024 05:45 AM
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Quote from motaku96 :
Deals on ddr5 ram are pretty hard to come by.
It kinda stinks that the coupon is applied after tax is calculated, so you're paying tax on the original price.
For those new to ddr5, note that you can't really use all 4 slots on your motherboard if you want to get the full speed out of it. Just stick to using dual channel.
It actually surprisingly comes out the same whether you take the discount first then tax or tax first then discount.
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motaku96Jul 01, 2024 01:40 PM
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Quote from redvibez :
It actually surprisingly comes out the same whether you take the discount first then tax or tax first then discount.
Nah the order does matter. It's whether you take tax on 215 or 172. I pay NY tax so it's $19.08 in tax, but if it took the discount first, it would have been $15.27. It's just about $4 difference but in most places where a coupon is applied, it discounts it, but over here it acts more like a gift card.
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redvibezJul 01, 2024 05:42 PM
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Quote from motaku96 :
Nah the order does matter. It's whether you take tax on 215 or 172. I pay NY tax so it's $19.08 in tax, but if it took the discount first, it would have been $15.27. It's just about $4 difference but in most places where a coupon is applied, it discounts it, but over here it acts more like a gift card.
It's not as intuitive as we would like but since multiplication is commutative then order doesn't matter:

Original price * Tax * Discount
$215 * (New York Tax Rate) * 0.8

will be the same price as

Original price * Discount * Tax
$215 * 0.8 * (New York Tax Rate)

If you do the tax first, then the discount comes out bigger. If you do the discount first, then the tax comes out smaller. But the final price is the same either way. Try it out.
Last edited by redvibez July 1, 2024 at 10:47 AM.
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Quote from redvibez :
It's not as intuitive as we would like but since multiplication is commutative then order doesn't matter:

Original price * Tax * Discount
$215 * (New York Tax Rate) * 0.8

will be the same price as

Original price * Discount * Tax
$215 * 0.8 * (New York Tax Rate)

If you do the tax first, then the discount comes out bigger. If you do the discount first, then the tax comes out smaller. But the final price is the same either way. Try it out.
I get what you're trying to say, but it's not 20% off the total. It's 20% off the base price of $215. Your formula implies that if the discount happens after tax calculations, it would still take 20% off the tax amount as well which it doesn't do. It only takes 20% off of the $215 base price.

The formula would be more like
(215 * .8) + (215 * tax rate)

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redvibezJul 01, 2024 07:13 PM
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Quote from motaku96 :
I get what you're trying to say, but it's not 20% off the total. It's 20% off the base price of $215. Your formula implies that if the discount happens after tax calculations, it would still take 20% off the tax amount as well which it doesn't do. It only takes 20% off of the $215 base price.

The formula would be more like
(215 * .8) + (215 * tax rate)
I agree with your formula. But that just means it doesn't matter what order it's in because you would always add the same tax rate applied to the original. I.e

(215 * .8) + (215 * tax rate)
Is the same as
(215 * tax rate) + (215 * .8)

Funnily, even though they do the discounts and tax differently than I thought, the order still doesn't matter.
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