Rockler was nice enough to tell me about this on Friday, so I purchased yesterday when it started. Ended up getting a PCS instead of a Contractor saw.
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Today I learned that I cannot afford a safe table saw.
If you do a lot of woodworking, you should consider saving up. All it takes is one emergency room visit and this thing is likely paid for itself. Not even considering the cost of a finger! haha
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Today I learned that I cannot afford a safe table saw.
And if Sawstop gets the table saw safety legislation that they want pushed through, no cheap saws will ever be available again. They're trying to monopolize the market through federal regulation.
If you do a lot of woodworking, you should consider saving up. All it takes is one emergency room visit and this thing is likely paid for itself. Not even considering the cost of a finger! haha
Medical Costs of amputating a finger was $25k or something crazy
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And if Sawstop gets the table saw safety legislation that they want pushed through, no cheap saws will ever be available again. They're trying to monopolize the market through federal regulation.
The monopolization part isn't quite true, as SawStop has said they would give up their patents if the regulation passes. Still, the regulation would almost certainly remove new cheap saws from market, first because of the extra technology / parts that would then be required in saws, plus the fact that it's just physically hard / impossible for a cheaper & lighter jobsite style saw to handle the forces & energy involved when insta-stopping a blade. Stumpy Nubs has a good video on the whole situation.
Sure you can. Get one with a riving knife, use the guard if you're uncomfortable without it, and use a push stick when ripping less than 3 inches. There's the easiest 90% of it.
Sawstop is the end of the diminishing return. Thousands of dollars on the last .001% of safety. Worth it? Up to you. Do you wear a helmet and a HANS device when driving to the grocery store?
Leaving the guard on + proper use of push sticks feels super safe to me. Considering getting a Sawstop because I don't feel comfortable making any cuts that require taking the guard off with my saw right now.
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I'm in the FB Sawstop group and people are constantly posting activations which could have been prevented by using proper safety techniques.
On one hand, all it takes is one moment to lose your finger, on the other hand, not paying attention on one tool could lead to not paying enough attention on other tools which don't have the same safety mechanisms.
I'm in the FB Sawstop group and people are constantly posting activations which could have been prevented by using proper safety techniques.
On one hand, all it takes is one moment to lose your finger, on the other hand, not paying attention on one tool could lead to not paying enough attention on other tools which don't have the same safety mechanisms.
Sure you can. Get one with a riving knife, use the guard if you're uncomfortable without it, and use a push stick when ripping less than 3 inches. There's the easiest 90% of it.
Sawstop is the end of the diminishing return. Thousands of dollars on the last .001% of safety. Worth it? Up to you. Do you wear a helmet and a HANS device when driving to the grocery store?
Nope, I don't bother to wear the helmet and HANS device. But that's because I would have to take those steps every time I get in my car, which is a pain. If there was a way I could get the same safety with a one-time cost and no additional effort, you bet your butt I'd do it.
I've never tripped my SawStop due to a safety issue, the few times I did were because I hit my miter gauge because I forgot to adjust it or because the blade deflected and it was too close. Sure, it sucks having to buy a new cartridge and a blade when those dumb mistakes happen, but it sure is nice knowing that my finger would be safe if that accident ever happened.
I know a couple of people that lost fingers due to table saw injures, and they were all experienced woodworkers.
If somebody is anti-SawStop I'll never convince them. But for the rest of you: My SawStop contractor saw cost about $1000 more than another equivalent contractor saw (like a Delta). But for $1000 and the occasional $200 for that miter gauge trip, I know with near certainty that I won't end up like my buddies with a few fingers missing. 100% worth the investment for a tool I use every single day.
My only issue with SawStop is that they don't make a jointer!
I always though sawstops were the end all be all of safety, then I was in the urgent care a few weeks ago and an old lady came in with a pretty bad cut to her finger caused by her sawstop table saw. Not sure it's worth it when I've cut hundreds of thousands of sq ft of hardwood flooring and have never had an issue, and apparently if I did make a mistake it would still be a trip to the urgent care (not that it's expensive but it's a hassle.)
I'm curious if the contractor saw motor is similar or same as the cabinet saw and how loud it is. I'm still researching, but they show same 1.75HP rating, so may be the same.
I currently have a Ridgid jobsite saw with "universal" motor that is outrageously loud. I use hearing protection, but also have neighbors My understanding is that in general, cabinet saw motors are less noisy - obviously not quiet, but every few dB of noise reduction helps.
I'm curious if the contractor saw motor is similar or same as the cabinet saw and how loud it is. I'm still researching, but they show same 1.75HP rating, so may be the same.
I currently have a Ridgid jobsite saw with "universal" motor that is outrageously loud. I use hearing protection, but also have neighbors My understanding is that in general, cabinet saw motors are less noisy - obviously not quiet, but every few dB of noise reduction helps.
Contractor saw is very similar to the cabinet, same quiet 1.75 induction motor. I was going to buy it, but at the last minute I got a really good look at the lack of dust collection and it was worse than I thought (basement workshop). At the lesser price difference with this sale I gave up and went with the PCS.
I do think the contractor saw is underrated. Functionally you can do everything with it.
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Contractor saw is very similar to the cabinet, same quiet 1.75 induction motor. I was going to buy it, but at the last minute I got a really good look at the lack of dust collection and it was worse than I thought (basement workshop). At the lesser price difference with this sale I gave up and went with the PCS.
I do think the contractor saw is underrated. Functionally you can do everything with it.
Thanks for the info. good point on dust collection.
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Sawstop is the end of the diminishing return. Thousands of dollars on the last .001% of safety. Worth it? Up to you. Do you wear a helmet and a HANS device when driving to the grocery store?
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On one hand, all it takes is one moment to lose your finger, on the other hand, not paying attention on one tool could lead to not paying enough attention on other tools which don't have the same safety mechanisms.
On one hand, all it takes is one moment to lose your finger, on the other hand, not paying attention on one tool could lead to not paying enough attention on other tools which don't have the same safety mechanisms.
I'll let myself out the door now. 🤕
Sawstop is the end of the diminishing return. Thousands of dollars on the last .001% of safety. Worth it? Up to you. Do you wear a helmet and a HANS device when driving to the grocery store?
I've never tripped my SawStop due to a safety issue, the few times I did were because I hit my miter gauge because I forgot to adjust it or because the blade deflected and it was too close. Sure, it sucks having to buy a new cartridge and a blade when those dumb mistakes happen, but it sure is nice knowing that my finger would be safe if that accident ever happened.
I know a couple of people that lost fingers due to table saw injures, and they were all experienced woodworkers.
If somebody is anti-SawStop I'll never convince them. But for the rest of you: My SawStop contractor saw cost about $1000 more than another equivalent contractor saw (like a Delta). But for $1000 and the occasional $200 for that miter gauge trip, I know with near certainty that I won't end up like my buddies with a few fingers missing. 100% worth the investment for a tool I use every single day.
My only issue with SawStop is that they don't make a jointer!
I currently have a Ridgid jobsite saw with "universal" motor that is outrageously loud. I use hearing protection, but also have neighbors
I currently have a Ridgid jobsite saw with "universal" motor that is outrageously loud. I use hearing protection, but also have neighbors
I do think the contractor saw is underrated. Functionally you can do everything with it.
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I do think the contractor saw is underrated. Functionally you can do everything with it.
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