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SVS 16-Ultra Series 1500W RMS Subwoofers: SB16-Ultra $1700, PB16-Ultra

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SVS Sound has their SVS 16-Ultra Series Subwoofers on sale from $1,699.99 below. Shipping is free.

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  • Additional Savings: There is a additional 5% Savings when buy 2 when you Activate the discount on the page or apply discount code GoDual during checkout.
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  • SB16-Ultra (Piano Gloss Black or Black Oak Veneer) $1,699.99
    • 16" Woofer
    • 1500W RMS Power, 5000W Peak
    • Class D Amplifier
    • 16 to 460 Hz Frequency Response
    • Front-Firing Configuration
  • PB16-Ultra (Piano Gloss Black or Black Oak Veneer) $2,199.99
    • 16" Fiberglass Resin Composite Woofer
    • 3x 3.5" Front-Firing Ports
    • 1500W RMS Power, 5000W Peak
    • Sledge Class-D Amplifier
    • Adjustable Frequency Response
    • Front-Firing Configuration

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  • Get 1%-5% cash back on deals like this with a cash back credit card. Compare the available cash back credit cards here.
  • At the time of this posting, our research indicates that:
    • The SB16-Ultra is $599.01 lower than the next best comparable prices starting from $2,299.
    • The PB16-Ultra is $700 lower than the next best comparable prices starting from $2,899.99.
  • Ratings:
    • The SB16-Ultra is rated 4.9 out of 5 stars from customer reviews.
    • The PB16-Ultra is rated 5 out of 5 stars from customer reviews.
Please see the original post for additional details & refer to the comments below for discussion.

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SVS Sound has their SVS 16-Ultra Series Subwoofers on sale from $1,699.99 below. Shipping is free.

Thanks to Community Member fourml8r of sharing this deal.
  • Additional Savings: There is a additional 5% Savings when buy 2 when you Activate the discount on the page or apply discount code GoDual during checkout.
Available:
  • SB16-Ultra (Piano Gloss Black or Black Oak Veneer) $1,699.99
    • 16" Woofer
    • 1500W RMS Power, 5000W Peak
    • Class D Amplifier
    • 16 to 460 Hz Frequency Response
    • Front-Firing Configuration
  • PB16-Ultra (Piano Gloss Black or Black Oak Veneer) $2,199.99
    • 16" Fiberglass Resin Composite Woofer
    • 3x 3.5" Front-Firing Ports
    • 1500W RMS Power, 5000W Peak
    • Sledge Class-D Amplifier
    • Adjustable Frequency Response
    • Front-Firing Configuration

Editor's Notes

Written by SaltyOne | Staff
  • Get 1%-5% cash back on deals like this with a cash back credit card. Compare the available cash back credit cards here.
  • At the time of this posting, our research indicates that:
    • The SB16-Ultra is $599.01 lower than the next best comparable prices starting from $2,299.
    • The PB16-Ultra is $700 lower than the next best comparable prices starting from $2,899.99.
  • Ratings:
    • The SB16-Ultra is rated 4.9 out of 5 stars from customer reviews.
    • The PB16-Ultra is rated 5 out of 5 stars from customer reviews.
Please see the original post for additional details & refer to the comments below for discussion.

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sdaddict001
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Yep, I'm sure SVS fans will downvote but the fact is you can get two 16" Klipsch rp1600sw(well reviewed) and for less than the price of one of these when on sale. So I'd say that's pretty hard to beat. I just run one rp1400sw and that thing just pounds. I can't imagine two of the 16" in my house unless I want to redo all my walls.
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Just want to add that HSU is good competition with their 15" subs for less money.
misel00
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Believe it or not, I was going to write the exact same thing when i wrote my prior post!!! Then I was like nahhhh, don't want to deal w/ the svs fan boys!!! lol.. Truth is you can get two RP-16's for less then one pb-16 when the Rp's are on sale and still have a ton $$$ leftover and the 2 RP16's will take out the pb-16.

It's about time after all these years of crap Klipsch subs and there horrible AMP failures, crap 2 year warranties, that they finally put out a sub class that has a real good amp, great drivers and a proper 5 year warranty at a fantastic price esp when on sale. Honestly the biggest value in subs now.. Good for Klipsch & the consumer!, Someone finally WOKE UP in the Klipsch R&D/Executive dept & gave us the RP sub line!!!worship

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Oct 11, 2024 12:35 PM
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devinlwoodsOct 11, 2024 12:35 PM
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Quote from quaked :
I have a single Velodyne 12". Last year I took the plunge and bought a pair of PC-2000 12" cylinders that cost a pretty penny. The PC-2000's are much more powerful and stuff falls off the wall when Oppenheimer dropped the atomic bomb. And the lows are so warm and embracing.

But I still enjoy the sound of my single Velodyne. There's just something about the Velodyne that I can't seem to part ways.

And then I see the Klipsch subs and their prices. I came to the same conclusion like previous posts where I could've purchased two for the price of one on sale. I sometimes get buyer's remorse
Dropped the atomic bomb?! Spoiler alert!

I tried one PB-2000, and I wasn't impressed. I thought, should I upgrade or buy a 2nd one? I had pretty limited space, so the PC may have helped. I found an "open box" pb-3000 on Amazon for $1248 and went that route and no regrets.
Oct 11, 2024 12:40 PM
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MostBasedOct 11, 2024 12:40 PM
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Quote from epepin :
Can you imagine well integrated, smooth bass response?
The new Klipsch subs are well integrated and smoother than butter. Get with the times my guy.
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epepinOct 11, 2024 01:03 PM
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Quote from 2Slick2Quit :
The new Klipsch subs are well integrated and smoother than butter. Get with the times my guy.
This is a completely nonsensical statement. A sub by itself is not integrated. The Klipsch subs lack the tools, namely, PEQ and continuous phase adjustment, to actually be well integrated and smooth in a real room with other components. Get with the times.
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Oct 11, 2024 01:05 PM
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epepinOct 11, 2024 01:05 PM
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Quote from devinlwoods :
Dropped the atomic bomb?! Spoiler alert!

I tried one PB-2000, and I wasn't impressed. I thought, should I upgrade or buy a 2nd one? I had pretty limited space, so the PC may have helped. I found an "open box" pb-3000 on Amazon for $1248 and went that route and no regrets.
It's all about placement and proper integration. I have two PB 2000 pros and the installers put them front right and front left pointed forward. It sounded terrible. No bottom end, inconsistent bass, etc. After repositioning and adjusting EQ with a calibrated mic, it is immaculate, and I don't know that additional output or an extra Hz of extension would change anything.
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Oct 11, 2024 01:07 PM
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fintlewoodlewixOct 11, 2024 01:07 PM
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I own a RP-1400 and a PB16. The PB16 is larger, more powerful, and nicer looking. It also has more inputs and excellent software control. The RP-1400 is waaaaaay cheaper. Both subs hit low and loud. Get the RP-1400, or two, if you're going to invest in external crossovers. Frankly, both of these are going to go so loud and low, they'll shake a huge room, and you'll need gargantuan speakers, ones that can happily play at 110 db+, to use much of the power these subs provide.
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Oct 11, 2024 01:21 PM
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Quote from epepin :
There's still an enormous feature and performance gap and not the same class of product.
This always gets blown out of proportion and kinda agree with you.

If you define good performance as shaking your couch,windows,foundation, etc, yes those Klipsch subs will do that for less money.

If you're looking for more accurate tactile quality sound, SVS(and others) are in that higher category and comes at a cost.

SVS may not be the least expensive but they definitely are in that higher quality category.
For some people they are worth the extra cost, you get what you pay for after all.
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Quote from epepin :
It's all about placement and proper integration. I have two PB 2000 pros and the installers put them front right and front left pointed forward. It sounded terrible. No bottom end, inconsistent bass, etc. After repositioning and adjusting EQ with a calibrated mic, it is immaculate, and I don't know that additional output or an extra Hz of extension would change anything.
I agree proper placement/implementation and room environment play a much bigger role than some spec/measurement.
If you don't implement them(frankly your whole setup) properly all this other talk is irrelevant imo.
So much more goes into all this also.
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Oct 11, 2024 02:22 PM
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JonathanJ7608Oct 11, 2024 02:22 PM
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Quote from epepin :
Yeah, it's the SVS fanboys who are annoying.

RP1600sw is currently $1800. Has no Eq options, ~1/2 the RMS power, <1/3 peak power, less flat response, less extension, no balanced input, only 0°/180° phase, and no 12V trigger. These products are not the same class. At all.
If you want to pay double/triple for those specs, be my guest...
RP1600SW on sale goes for $899
Who needs onboard Eq when a modern receiver with good RC will override your subs eq and phase settings?...
Your Peak/RMS figures don't mean squat because Klipsch developed their new subs with ultra efficient drivers.. what matters is db output to shut that debate down.

Based on CEA-2010 measurements, the Klipsch and PB-16 Ultra are fairly linear in their response, and the Klipsch has more extension.
Why does a sub need a 12v trigger when it's got auto on feature?!?! I'll let my receiver handle the 12v triggers.

Any more questions?


https://imgur.com/a/shootout-TEGngUq
Last edited by JonathanJ7608 October 11, 2024 at 07:25 AM.
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DjScibbityOct 11, 2024 03:01 PM
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Apps, PEQ, etc are not really needed on Subs as long as (Free) tools such as REW exist. And as others have mentioned, most newer receivers have room correction features that also work well (very well in some cases).
If youre going to be tweaking PEQ settings, time & phase alignments, etc youre much better off using REW and associated tools (MSO, etc) to properly integrate and tweak your settings/curves. So, IMO "features" like having an App or PEQ settings, etc dont add any value.
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osv1Oct 11, 2024 03:04 PM
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Quote from epepin :
This is a completely nonsensical statement. A sub by itself is not integrated. The Klipsch subs lack the tools, namely, PEQ and continuous phase adjustment, to actually be well integrated and smooth in a real room with other components.
no, it's your post that is nonsensical, as svs itself proves:

"AVR: If the A/V receiver set-up function equalizes the subwoofer channel (such as Audyssey MultEQ XT or XT32), the PEQ control is usually not required." https://www.svsound.com/blogs/sub...anding-dsp
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Oct 11, 2024 03:11 PM
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epepinOct 11, 2024 03:11 PM
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Quote from DjScibbity :
Apps, PEQ, etc are not really needed on Subs as long as (Free) tools such as REW exist. And as others have mentioned, most newer receivers have room correction features that also work well (very well in some cases).
If youre going to be tweaking PEQ settings, time & phase alignments, etc youre much better off using REW and associated tools (MSO, etc) to properly integrate and tweak your settings/curves. So, IMO "features" like having an App or PEQ settings, etc dont add any value.
REW is a measurement tool and you can create calibration files, but they still have to go somewhere. You either need an enabled receiver with base management that accepts these files or you need to use the measurements to make actual changes to the subwoofer.
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Oct 11, 2024 03:12 PM
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epepinOct 11, 2024 03:12 PM
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Quote from osv1 :
no, it's your post that is nonsensical, as svs itself proves:

"AVR: If the A/V receiver set-up function equalizes the subwoofer channel (such as Audyssey MultEQ XT or XT32), the PEQ control is usually not required." https://www.svsound.com/blogs/sub...anding-dsp
Do you know what usually means? Do you know about the different levels of Odyssey and which ones do multiple subs independently or coordinates to a single channel? Do you understand that room notes are different with different positions and two subs in the same room would be calibrated differently? do you understand that many 2.1 or 2.2 integrated amplifiers do not have room correction software?
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Oct 11, 2024 03:32 PM
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DjScibbityOct 11, 2024 03:32 PM
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Quote from epepin :
REW is a measurement tool and you can create calibration files, but they still have to go somewhere. You either need an enabled receiver with base management that accepts these files or you need to use the measurements to make actual changes to the subwoofer.
Correct...or a mini-dsp. If your receiver cannot make such changes (I dont know any medium to high end AVRs that arent able to), a mini-dsp can. If youre spending $2k on a sub, you have an AVR that can adjust sub EQ. For me, id rather not pay for a "feature" that doesnt do much and instead put that money into the sub itself (driver, amp, etc) or into a UMIK/mini-dsp.
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Oct 11, 2024 03:42 PM
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SDNick484Oct 11, 2024 03:42 PM
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Quote from fourml8r :
I have owned both of those products. I had the PB16 up until recently when we downsized. It used to be a much better value. I paid just under $2K about 7 years ago making the current MSRP not a good value. the current sale price of $2200 is about 10% increase from what I paid, so that is not too bad of an increase in todays environment.

Currently using RSL 12s which is an amazing bargain as I paid $650 for it. I know of no sub that can do more at that price point. it does 95% of what the PB16 could do but at 1/4 of the cost. For me the RSL fits in better with my current room configuration. I do feel the PB16 was overall a better sub but then you get lost in "value" debate. the other issue with larger subs is that placement becomes more limited due to the size. Both are great products in their own right.
Where were you able to find RSL 12S for $650? I'm currently rocking a pair of 10S (one original and one Mk2), and I plan to upgrade to a 12S next year. Also need to figure out if I should just add it as a 3rd sub or move one of my 10Ss out (they're managed by a miniDSP so both options are doable).

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Quote from epepin :
REW is a measurement tool and you can create calibration files, but they still have to go somewhere. You either need an enabled receiver with base management that accepts these files or you need to use the measurements to make actual changes to the subwoofer.
Quote from osv1 :
no, it's your post that is nonsensical, as svs itself proves:

"AVR: If the A/V receiver set-up function equalizes the subwoofer channel (such as Audyssey MultEQ XT or XT32), the PEQ control is usually not required." https://www.svsound.com/blogs/sub...anding-dsp
Quote from DjScibbity :
Apps, PEQ, etc are not really needed on Subs as long as (Free) tools such as REW exist. And as others have mentioned, most newer receivers have room correction features that also work well (very well in some cases).
If youre going to be tweaking PEQ settings, time & phase alignments, etc youre much better off using REW and associated tools (MSO, etc) to properly integrate and tweak your settings/curves. So, IMO "features" like having an App or PEQ settings, etc dont add any value.
Quote from JonathanJ7608 :
Who needs onboard Eq when a modern receiver with good RC will override your subs eq and phase settings?...

Why does a sub need a 12v trigger when it's got auto on feature?!?! I'll let my receiver handle the 12v triggers.

Any more questions?


https://imgur.com/a/shootout-TEGngUq
subs are a bit more of a challenge for people since the room and placement does impact performance significantly. one person may only be able to accommodate one small sub while other can handle 4 huge ones.

as far as optimizing sub performance using some type of software, there are many options. these normally come down to the comfort level of the person doing the setup.
  • you can use some type of AVR software (Audyssey, Dirac, YPAO, etc.). Many people favor these due to ease of setup as this will generally get you half decent results with minimal effort. These also vary based on built-in software or upgraded apps to be able to more finely tune your system. One feature that may interest users is the ability to tune subs using independent outputs (But this is a meaningless feature if you only use one sub), but it is not the only option to do so.
  • you may use something like REW, but that is more effort than many people are interested in doing and you need to add the cost of a calibration mic. .
  • you can also use the app included with your sub (If so equipped). Lots of people like this for the same ease of use. i like this feature as it makes on the fly adjustment / tweaks very easy.
  • sub crawl - another tool that can be used but is easier with fewer / smaller subs than with larger multiple subs.
  • sub modes - some subs offer either an electronic type of "modes" or they may offer port option modes where closing off ports can improve or extend sub performance.
  • synopsis - there are many tools to use and you need to choose based on your budget and comfort level.
regarding 12v trigger vs auto turn on, i do prefer the 12v only because sometimes when listening to music, you may encounter quieter sections of music that are not enough signal to turn on the sub immediately. and if it then becomes louder there is a slight delay in the sub auto-on feature kicking in. same thing applies to auto-off and quieter music passages where the sub will turn off and then not be ready when the louder music returns. comes down to preference of the user.

while there are many comparisons to less expensive klipsch units, my main issue is the past history of klipsch amps failing due to cheap components. subs use plate amps which are less expensive to produce but are well suited for the application. so any brand is prone to this failure, but i have seen more klipsch amps fail in my years of doing HT installs than any other brand.

the last item to consider is customer service. this one is a hands down win for SVS. they are very well known for having exemplary customer service. do not expect that level of service from a lower end / mainstream sub manufacturer. however you do pay for this in the product cost. peace of mind and lifetime support may be important features to some.

it always comes down to budget. the $899 klipsch that many are referring to is probably not going to be cross shopped with a $2,000+ SVS offering (Or other higher end brand sub), if you don't have the budget then enjoy whatever you can afford. there is not one answer or option.many products can provide decent performance while still being "affordable".

SD is one of the worst places to get audio advice since the primary focus is usually price. there are many other AV forums to go to for more accurate information. users on SD tend to be fanboys just trying to justify their own purchase. someone stating buy brand X / model Y without knowing your specific needs / wants and budget is an armchair quarterback handing out non-professional advice.
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