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Leno returned to 11:30pm time slot

1,581 129 January 7, 2010 at 03:37 PM in TV (3)
NBC Shakeup -- Jay Leno Comes Out on Top [tmz.com]

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We've learned Jay's 10:00 PM show will go on hiatus February 1. After the Olympics, Jay will take back his 11:30 PM time slot. What has not been decided -- whether Jay's show will be a half hour, followed by Conan, or whether Jay's show will be an hour and NBC says sayonara to Mr. O'Brien.

We're told Jay and Conan have both been told of the changes. As for Jay, interestingly, he'll get what he always wanted -- his 11:30 PM time slot.
No words on what will happen to Conan and Fallon... whether they both will get pushed back one hour of if one of them will be fired.

I prefer Leno at 11:30 than 10:00.

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01-18-2010 at 10:52 PM.
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those people were crazy!! it was cold and rainy here today.
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01-19-2010 at 05:39 AM.
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those people were crazy!! it was cold and rainy here today.
Conan went out and got drenched too. It's nice to see them not taking the support for granted and going out there with the crowds.
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01-19-2010 at 08:24 AM.
01-19-2010 at 08:24 AM.
I came across this article that rips Leno. Note the times are off by 1 hour b/c it's in Kansas City time (CST).


The Kansas City Star, Mo., Aaron Barnhart column: Jay Leno is Mr. Nice Guy no more? But was he ever?
Source: The Kansas City Star (Kansas City, Missouri)
Publication date: 2010-01-19

By Aaron Barnhart [email protected], The Kansas City Star, Mo.

Jan. 19--In the year 2027, when Jimmy Fallon is trying to wrest control of "The Tonight Show" from its 76-year-old host, Jay Leno, he would do well to study the lessons of history.

Laugh if you will, but mark your calendar for 17 years from now, when Leno -- half cockroach, half cicada -- starts the racket that ignites the third round of Late-Night Wars.

When that happens, Fallon would be wise to pull out the "People of Earth" letter written last week by Conan O'Brien.

Then he will recall how, in the opening days of Late-Night War II, the world learned that Jay Leno would do and say anything to keep his famous chin in front of the cameras.

Of course, Leno's survival skills became legendary in Late-Night War I of the 1990s, when he somehow held onto his job after blowing a big lead to CBS. He did this, in part, by eavesdropping on NBC executives and stealing elements of David Letterman's show as he pleased.

But in 2010, Leno outdid himself.

Remember how he once made such a big deal of the fact that he was handing the 10:35 job to Conan O'Brien? Last week he shamelessly mocked O'Brien's ratings in his monologue, even though "The Jay Leno Show" has turned into his own Nielsen crater.

Remember how Leno's best bud, Jerry Seinfeld, advised him to step aside and give the spotlight to the heir apparent? Now Seinfeld belittles O'Brien for being upset that the spotlight is back on Jay.

"I don't think anyone is preventing people from watching Conan," Seinfeld sniffed last week.

Remember how executives at NBC spent years promising O'Brien "The Tonight Show"? Now, as they circle the wagons around Leno, they're trashing O'Brien because he dared to criticize their brilliant scheme to reinstall Leno at 10:35 and move O'Brien to 11:05.

One network suit, Dick Ebersol, called O'Brien an "astounding failure" because he could not beat David Letterman in seven months of head-to-head competition.

Ebersol -- who hasn't had a good idea since he fired himself as the producer of "Saturday Night Live" in 1985 -- knows full well that it took Leno 23 months to beat Letterman, even though at the time NBC was No. 1 in prime time, and viewers did not have the late-night options of Stephen Colbert, Adult Swim, DVRs or Hulu.

The final proof that Leno would do anything to survive is when he killed off his alter ego, Mr. Nice Guy, who was last seen in 2004 telling his "Tonight Show" audience why he had agreed to retire in 2009 at the age of 59.

"There's only one person who could do this job into his 60s, and that's Johnny Carson," Leno said at the time. "There was a lot of animosity between me and Dave (over) who's going to get it, and quite frankly, a lot of good friendships were permanently damaged. I don't want to see anybody ever have to go through that again. This show is a dynasty. You hold it, and then you hand it off to the next person. So here it is, Conan!"

O'Brien studied all the late-night battles. He asked NBC for "The Tonight Show" in 2003 because he saw what happened when Letterman was coy about his ambition.

And now, with his "People of Earth" letter, O'Brien proved he has learned again from Dave, not to mention the Rolling Stones: If you can't get what you want, you get what you need.

The letter was a tour de force -- funny, self-effacing and direct -- with a breathtaking leap at the end, as O'Brien publicly liberated himself from the show he had spent years dreaming about.

"For 60 years 'The Tonight Show' has aired immediately following the late local news," O'Brien wrote in the pivotal passage. "I sincerely believe that delaying 'The Tonight Show' ... will seriously damage what I consider to be the greatest franchise in the history of broadcasting."

O'Brien figured out that NBC will probably never quit Leno.

And so, after 16 years of "stay tuned for Conan," it was time for Conan to quit NBC.

In his letter, O'Brien said that "no one should waste a second feeling sorry for me," and after the events in Haiti later that week, no one did.

Still, it took guts to walk away from "The Tonight Show," and the boldness and virtuosity of his letter dazzled Hollywood (Seinfeld excepted).

Bill Lawrence, creator of "Scrubs" and "Cougar Town," called O'Brien's salvo "ballsy" and said events were turning out "just the way I hoped it would go." Like Lawrence, many creative types, saw NBC's decision to put Leno in prime time as just the latest excuse to get out of paying actors and writers.

I'd like to think that Fallon -- the only late-night host so far keeping his silence on the Leno situation -- agreed with O'Brien's letter and was secretly grateful that he won't have to do his "Late Night" show a half-hour later.

As he ponders his future, Jimmy should realize, as Dave and Conan eventually did, that there are worse things than not getting to follow Johnny.

Years from now, he'll see how O'Brien's candor and lack of guile helped those of us in the media begin to deconstruct the years of lying and spinning that Leno and NBC engaged in while keeping this sham late-night marriage going. That NBC not only didn't want O'Brien at 10:35, it no longer cared if he ever returned to that time slot, so long as Robocomic had a pulse.

So the network weasels blamed O'Brien for losing more of "The Tonight Show" audience (50 percent) in seven months than Leno lost after taking over for Johnny (12 percent).

But that overlooks a couple of facts. In 1992, NBC had five Top 20 shows -- today it has none. And Leno's ratings didn't begin to rise until "ER," "Friends" and, yes, "Seinfeld," took off more than two years later.

After Leno retakes "The Tonight Show," its audience will grow larger, of course, because the show isn't burdened by a poorly rated lead-in -- the millstone known as "The Jay Leno Show."

(Here's a funny coincidence: Conan's "Tonight Show" rating among adults ages 18-49, a key group for advertisers, has declined by the same amount, 30 percent, as NBC's rating at 9 p.m., when "The Jay Leno Show" airs.)

As historians look back on Late-Night War II, they'll see that Conan went to Fox and did just fine. And even though he never told another NBC joke again -- his old employer made him sign a no-disparagement clause -- he delivered the one parting shot that would endure for years afterward.

"Hosting 'The Tonight Show' has been the fulfillment of a lifelong dream for me," Conan told his audience last Wednesday. "And I just want to say to the kids out there watching: You can do anything you want in life. Unless Jay Leno wants to do it, too."

And that's how Jimmy Fallon survives his inevitable clash with Team Leno-NBC.

He just has to tell the truth -- while he can.

Watch Leno's 2004 announcement and hilarious Internet videos about the late-night mess at KansasCity.com/entertainment.

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To see more of The Kansas City Star, or to subscribe to the newspaper, go to http://www.kansascity.com.

Copyright (c) 2010, The Kansas City Star, Mo.

Distributed by McClatchy-Tribune Information Services.

For reprints, email [email protected], call 800-374-7985 or 847-635-6550, send a fax to 847-635-6968, or write to The Permissions Group Inc., 1247 Milwaukee Ave., Suite 303, Glenview, IL 60025, USA.
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01-19-2010 at 08:48 AM.
01-19-2010 at 08:48 AM.
Leno isn't going to get nearly the audience as before.....

...also, I suggest as many people as possible watch Conan while he is still on TV...there's going to be a lot of good guests on the show (and I really hope he does something stupid....such as destroying the set and give pieces to the audience)....
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01-19-2010 at 10:27 AM.
01-19-2010 at 10:27 AM.
Ultimately the fault lies with NBC. NBC forced Leno to step down from Tonight show and refuse to let him off his contract.

http://www.nypost.com/f/print/new...80IeSI?v=1
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' I thought maybe I should address this. At least give you my view of what has been going on here at NBC.

Oh, let's start in 2004 — 2004, I'm sitting in my office, an NBC executive comes in and says to me, "Listen, Conan O'Brien has gotten offers from other networks. We don't want him to go, so we're going to give him 'The Tonight Show.' " I said, "Well, I've been number one for 12 years." They said, "We know that, but we don't think you can sustain that." I said, "OK. How about until I fall to number two, then you fire me?" "No, we made this decision." I said, "That's fine."

Don't blame Conan O'Brien. Nice guy, good family guy, great guy. He and I have talked and not a problem since then. That's what managers and people do, they try to get something for their clients. I said, "I'll retire just to avoid what happened the last time." OK.

So time goes by, and we stay number one up until the day we leave. We hand — [applause] — no, no. OK, but I'm leaving before my contract is out. About six to eight months early. So before I could go anywhere else, it would be at least a year or 18 months before I could go and do a show somewhere else.

I said to NBC, "Would you release me from my contract?" They said, "We want to keep you here." OK.

"What are your ideas?" They said, "How about prime time?" I said, "That will never work."
"No, no, we want to put you on at 10. We have done focus groups. People will love you at 10." . . . Four months go by, we don't make it. Meanwhile, Conan's show during the summer — we're not on — was not doing well. The great hope was that we would help him. Well, we didn't help him any. OK.

They come and go, "This show isn't working. We want to let you go." "Can you let me out of my contract?" "No, you're still a valuable asset to this company." How valuable can I be? You fired me twice. How valuable can I be? OK.

So then, the affiliates are not happy. The affiliates are the ones that own the TV stations. They're the ones that sort of make the decisions. "They're not happy with your performance, and Conan is not doing well at 11:30." I said, "What's your idea?" They said, "Well, look, how about you do a half-hour show at 11:30?" Now, where I come from, when your boss gives you a job and you don't do it well — I think we did a good job here, but we didn't get the ratings, so you get humbled. I said, "OK, I'm not crazy about doing a half-hour, but OK. What do you want to do with Conan?" "We'll put him on at midnight, or 12:05, keeps 'The Tonight Show' does all that, he gets the whole hour." I said, "OK. You think Conan will go for that?" "Yes, yes. [Laughter.] Almost guarantee you." I said OK. Shake hands, that's it. I don't have a manager, I don't have an agent, that's my handshake deal.

Next thing, I see Conan . . . saying he doesn't want to do that. They come back to me and they say, "If he decides to walk and doesn't want to do it, do you want the show back?" I go, "Yeah, I'll take the show back. If that's what he wants to do. This way, we keep our people working, fine."

So that's pretty much where we are. It looks like we might be back at 11:30, I'm not sure. I don't know. [Applause.] I don't know. But through all of this — through all of this, Conan O'Brien has been a gentleman. He's a good guy. I have no animosity towards him.

This is all business. If you don't get the ratings, they take you off the air . . . You can do almost anything. You get ratings, they keep you. I don't get ratings he wants. That was NBC's solution. It didn't work, so we might have an answer for you tomorrow.

So, we'll see. That's basically where it is.'
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01-19-2010 at 10:45 AM.
01-19-2010 at 10:45 AM.
Quote from appleyum :
Ultimately the fault lies with NBC. NBC forced Leno to step down from Tonight show and refuse to let him off his contract.

http://www.nypost.com/f/print/new...80IeSI?v=1
This is NOT what he said 6 years ago when the story broke and he addressed it on the air. He initially said he agreed that they shouldn't let Conan go to another network, that he would retire, that 17 years was enough, and that Johnny Carson was the only person that could host this show into his 60s. Suddenly he wants the show back and he comes up with this revisionist history. If he's claiming what he said 6 years ago, on the show to the public, was a lie, then why should I believe him now?
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01-19-2010 at 10:56 AM.
01-19-2010 at 10:56 AM.
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This is NOT what he said 6 years ago when the story broke and he addressed it on the air. He initially said he agreed that they shouldn't let Conan go to another network, that he would retire, that 17 years was enough, and that Johnny Carson was the only person that could host this show into his 60s. Suddenly he wants the show back and he comes up with this revisionist history. If he's claiming what he said 6 years ago, on the show to the public, was a lie, then why should I believe him now?
cause you don't like him thats why you won't believe him lol.
Is it really that hard to imagine NBC being that farked up?
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01-19-2010 at 11:00 AM.
01-19-2010 at 11:00 AM.
GE must be so happy that they're dumping NBC. Cool
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GE must be so happy that they're dumping NBC. Cool
comcast gonna use this as an excuse to raise cable prices LOL
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01-19-2010 at 11:14 AM.
01-19-2010 at 11:14 AM.
Quote from shhaggy :
This is NOT what he said 6 years ago when the story broke and he addressed it on the air. He initially said he agreed that they shouldn't let Conan go to another network, that he would retire, that 17 years was enough, and that Johnny Carson was the only person that could host this show into his 60s. Suddenly he wants the show back and he comes up with this revisionist history. If he's claiming what he said 6 years ago, on the show to the public, was a lie, then why should I believe him now?
Reread what he said

He didn't want the show back.
  • He wanted out of the contract.
  • NBC refused.
  • NBC told him they will change the time slot a little bit (at this point he still isn't getting the show back).
  • Leno agreed to it if Conan agreed to it

However, Conan refused the change and will step down if it is changed. So what is Jay Leno suppose to do? He can't get out of his contract.

Basically as long Conan wants the job he will not take it. But if there is going to be a void he will take it back.
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01-19-2010 at 11:21 AM.
01-19-2010 at 11:21 AM.
Quote from appleyum :
Reread what he said

He didn't want the show back.
  • He wanted out of the contract.
  • NBC refused.
  • NBC told him they will change the time slot a little bit (at this point he still isn't getting the show back).
  • Leno will agree to it if Conan agrees to it

However, Conan refused the change and will step down if it is changed. So what is Jay Leno suppose to do? He can't get out of his contract.
He can't get out of his contract to go to a competing network, but they can't make him go on at 11:35. His contract is got 10pm, as has been reported many times throughout this mess. He's negotiating a NEW contract to move back to 11:35. What is he supposed to do? He's supposed to retire and not hang over Conan's head. If I take another job tomorrow and my underling replaces me, should I run back to it after I get fired? Have SOME sense of decency here Jay, this is disgusting. And if you're going to do it, at least have the balls to admit what you're doing.

And again, this is what Leno is TELLING you. But he's a known liar, since what he said on the air 6 years ago is NOT what he's claiming now.

I didn't hate Leno after the Letterman drama, I thought a lot of that was sour grapes from Letterman. I didn't even hate him after the Stern drama, because I don't like Stern either. But when a third guy is getting into drama with this guy, especially a guy like Conan who patiently waited and stayed loyal to the network when he could've left 6 years ago, you take notice.
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01-19-2010 at 11:32 AM.
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He can't get out of his contract to go to a competing network, but they can't make him go on at 11:35. His contract is got 10pm, as has been reported many times throughout this mess. He's negotiating a NEW contract to move back to 11:35. What is he supposed to do? He's supposed to retire and not hang over Conan's head. If I take another job tomorrow and my underling replaces me, should I run back to it after I get fired? Have SOME sense of decency here Jay, this is disgusting. And if you're going to do it, at least have the balls to admit what you're doing.
shaggy, you're not making sense.

He wasn't fired, he WANTED OUT of his NBC contract, NBC wouldn't let him go to another company.
Your example is FLAWED because Leno wasn't given the opportunity to go take another job, NBC assigned him another job and gave him a new contract for the new job.

Then because of ratings they wanted to move leno BACK to the old time frame, and bump the current time holder conan 1 hour later. Conan didn't want to, and said he'll leave if they try to bump him. NBC decides then they'll let conan go and offered the time back to Leno. Whats leno gonna do? Say no to a job? He already was told his 10PM show wasn't gonna go on, he wants to keep working. He asked for his NBC to release him from his 10PM show contract, NBC won't do it to protect their profit and instead say they'll let conan go.
Nothing about leno leaving for another job then wanting to get back after he got fired.
Again i personally just think you got tunnel vision because you dislike leno.
I prefer conan over leno, but to blame this on really anything besides NBC is stupid.

So if you're able to do a job still that you like, but you're being FORCE not to do the job with a competitor, thats fine. Should you just take your $$ and not do something you enjoy? What if your employer offered you a different position where you can continue to do the job you want, you're gonna say no? Come on now.
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01-19-2010 at 11:33 AM.
01-19-2010 at 11:33 AM.
Quote from shhaggy :
He can't get out of his contract to go to a competing network, but they can't make him go on at 11:35. His contract is got 10pm, as has been reported many times throughout this mess. He's negotiating a NEW contract to move back to 11:35. What is he supposed to do? He's supposed to retire and not hang over Conan's head. If I take another job tomorrow and my underling replaces me, should I run back to it after I get fired? Have SOME sense of decency here Jay, this is disgusting. And if you're going to do it, at least have the balls to admit what you're doing.
Where and when did he negotiated a new contract?
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"What's your idea?" They said, "Well, look, how about you do a half-hour show at 11:30?" Now, where I come from, when your boss gives you a job and you don't do it well — I think we did a good job here, but we didn't get the ratings, so you get humbled. I said, "OK, I'm not crazy about doing a half-hour, but OK. What do you want to do with Conan?" "We'll put him on at midnight, or 12:05, keeps 'The Tonight Show' does all that, he gets the whole hour." I said, "OK. You think Conan will go for that?" "Yes, yes. [Laughter.] Almost guarantee you." I said OK. Shake hands, that's it. I don't have a manager, I don't have an agent, that's my handshake deal.
This is the only evidence I have heard that he "negotiated". He was told he was moving back to 11:30


Jay Leno was forced into retirement by NBC (which wanted to keep Conan). Jay Leno accept it gracefully because he didn't want to repeat what happened with David Letterman.

They are still in the same company so your scenario was flawed. You moved to another job position but the person who replaced you isn't performing. Your boss wants you back to your old position. Your job contract dictate that you have to remain with the company. What do you do?

Jay Leno was basically forced into the corner by NBC contract.
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01-19-2010 at 11:40 AM.
01-19-2010 at 11:40 AM.
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shaggy, you're not making sense.

He wasn't fired, he WANTED OUT of his NBC contract, NBC wouldn't let him go to another company.
Your example is FLAWED because Leno wasn't given the opportunity to go take another job, NBC assigned him another job and gave him a new contract for the new job.

Then because of ratings they wanted to move leno BACK to the old time frame, and bump the current time holder conan 1 hour later. Conan didn't want to, and said he'll leave if they try to bump him. NBC decides then they'll let conan go and offered the time back to Leno. Whats leno gonna do? Say no to a job? He already was told his 10PM show wasn't gonna go on, he wants to keep working. He asked for his NBC to release him from his 10PM show contract, NBC won't do it to protect their profit and instead say they'll let conan go.
Nothing about leno leaving for another job then wanting to get back after he got fired.
Again i personally just think you got tunnel vision because you dislike leno.
I prefer conan over leno, but to blame this on really anything besides NBC is stupid.

So if you're able to do a job still that you like, but you're being FORCE not to do the job with a competitor, thats fine. Should you just take your $$ and not do something you enjoy? What if your employer offered you a different position where you can continue to do the job you want, you're gonna say no? Come on now.
If Leno said no to the 11:35 time slot in the first place, they never could've even approached Conan. They can't "assign" him that spot, for two reasons. His contract stipulates 10pm, and he'd need a new one, and Conan has a contract for the Tongiht Show with the 11:35 timeslot implied, which was obviously upheld since NBC is forced to buy him out for $30M. Your entire argument begins after the fact, after Conan basically quit. Leno's an ass for ever agreeing to backstab Conan and hang over his head. You don't think Carson could've made things difficult for Leno if he wanted to come back?
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01-19-2010 at 11:43 AM.
01-19-2010 at 11:43 AM.
Quote from shhaggy :
If Leno said no to the 11:35 time slot in the first place, they never could've even approached Conan. They can't "assign" him that spot, for two reasons. His contract stipulates 10pm, and he'd need a new one, and Conan has a contract for the Tongiht Show with the 11:35 timeslot implied, which was obviously upheld since NBC is forced to buy him out for $30M. Your entire argument begins after the fact, after Conan basically quit. Leno's an ass for ever agreeing to backstab Conan and hang over his head. You don't think Carson could've made things difficult for Leno if he wanted to come back?
DUDE AGAIN READ
they work under the same company
if your boss came and said "hey we're gonna outsource your position, but you can go back to your previous administrator position, you want in?"
and you asked the question "Whats that do to bob who has it now" and they said "Dont worry he'll just get shuffled into another department position" would you say no?
Would you rather be fired and jobless? or go back to your old job
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