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Model: Seagate Expansion 20TB External Hard Drive HDD - USB 3.0, with Rescue Data Recovery Services (STKP20000400)
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I bought two last time this was on sale and shucked them into my nas. I ran a stress test and secure wiped them followed by a extended smart test, both ran it fine without issues. Temps were good for me, lower than my wd reds
That's literally EVERY thread on SD. Most of the content is just two factions trying to prove the other is wrong. If you don't believe me, head on over to the recent lululemon jogger thread, same thing, different product.
Anyway, that's why using a strong sense of filtration and due diligence helps with these comments. Once in a while you get a good nugget of info/wisdom which makes it worth the effort if you actually need said item.
My recollection is that these drives were mostly trashed in the previous threads. Shingle Magnetic Recording + Heat-Assisted Magnetic Recording.
To be fair with all of the down votes, I believe no one came up with a definitive answer as to what was in it and some googled that these were related to the 30-32TB HMR or EXOS SMR drives, but potentially with those features turned off. To my knowledge, no one provided reasonable information as to what is really inside, but a few of you went with what you wanted it to be.
It's simply amazing to see people still talk about seagate issues when the drives that had issues over a decade ago when 3tb was the new hot size. Seagate is perfectly fine weirdos.
I agree... and when you're dealing with the enterprise level stuff... the differences are less pronounced because the makers are serving enterprise clients that are buying up the stock and always seeking bigger capacity drives for smaller DC footprints and power usage. I personally believe and I would be happy to change my mind if I saw definitive proof, but I personally believe these >14 TB external hard drives are factory seconds off of the enterprise lines and are pushed to consumers because something minor may have failed the QC.
Even if some SDer came in and bought 20 of these drives.. that's nothing compared to enterprise customers. I mean, you can buy petabyte SSD SANs if you want... yeah, they cost six-digits, but that's what some enterprises need.
Enterprises are what drive a lot of tech forward now... not us consumers.
I only have experience with seagate 3tb and 4tb drives so take it with a grain of salt but I found them to be much quieter and cooler than the competition and speeds are also solid.
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Really? Because if they didn't have a good reputation, or had abnormally high failure rates, then they would go out of business.
Seagate relies upon enterprise sales... not SDers and general consumers looking for external hard drives at Amazon/BB/Costco/etc.
You can look at backblaze to see failure rates of different models, and Seagate is usually the worst. Even though I say that I still buy Seagate because they're usually cheaper. It allows me to backup in multiple places which should be safer anyway. Seagate isn't the best, but hopefully should be the good enough brand.
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My recollection is that these drives were mostly trashed in the previous threads. Shingle Magnetic Recording + Heat-Assisted Magnetic Recording.
Having tried to follow the saga, I have still not seen any evidence these drives are SMR. I suspect people are claiming they are because they have the Barracuda branding.
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These are not shitty shingle SMR drives. SMR write speed is less than 80 MB/s. People are reporting 200 MB/s for these seagate drives.
SMR drives can absolutely hit higher sequential writes speeds than 80MB/s. I've seen higher numbers on 2.5" SMR drives.
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Yes. WD has been secretive about using SMR drives. At least Seagate is open about it. I like seagate hard drives. Seagate Exos is the best of the best.
In the past, everyone was quietly switching some drives to SMR, especially in the 2.5" lines. WD was the first to get major blowback because they put them in the NAS (Red) line, which was unforgivable.
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To be fair with all of the down votes, I believe no one came up with a definitive answer as to what was in it and some googled that these were related to the 30-32TB HMR or EXOS SMR drives, but potentially with those features turned off. To my knowledge, no one provided reasonable information as to what is really inside, but a few of you went with what you wanted it to be.
That's right. Nobody is really certain (besides the manufacturer) what's going on with these drives. One thing worth pointing out is that there are people who would figure out if the drives actually are SMR (based on their behavior). So far, I haven't seen anything that makes me think they are. There's one person here who has been loudly proclaiming these drives are SMR, yet hasn't provided a single shred of evidence to backup that claim. He's also made other verifiably false statements, making it even harder to believe him.
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Yes. WD has been secretive about using SMR drives. At least Seagate is open about it. I like seagate hard drives. Seagate Exos is the best of the best.
^This.
I currently manage hundreds of TB of data in a data center that runs exclusively on Seagate EXOS SAS drives. In five years of continuous writes, we've had ZERO drive failures. Clearly EXOS drives aren't terrible based on real-world experience.
I've managed literally thousands of spindles over my IT career - SATA, SAS, FC, you name it. Everything from NetApp Filers, 3PAR, EMC VNX to HP Nimble and Dell Compellent. Guess which brands I've seen fail?
All of them.
Compare this experience with your average consumer fanboy that may have used two dozen drives in his whole life telling you Seagate EXOS is garbage. Bring some real data before you trash something with a dataset of n=5.
For the record, I also manage a fleet of Synology NASes at client locations with over 200 drives spinning in production for years at a time, while heavily write biased (hourly backups, 24x7x365). ALL are WD Reds, which are also just fine.
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I bought one from the last deal and it died 3 weeks later. Now I have to deal with a defective drive with no easy way to wipe my data before sending back for a refund. Save yourselves a headache.
Pro tip, every modern OS has drive encryption available. Use it and you'll never have to worry about wiping drives before returning/retiring them.
And if you don't have a modern OS, use something like VeraCrypt or Cryptomator to encrypt the data.
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I bought one from the last deal and it died 3 weeks later. Now I have to deal with a defective drive with no easy way to wipe my data before sending back for a refund. Save yourselves a headache.
Ask for a business data exception. Data can not leave premises. If granted you'll need before and after pictures. i.e. you will need to drill it or similar.
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I agree... and when you're dealing with the enterprise level stuff... the differences are less pronounced because the makers are serving enterprise clients that are buying up the stock and always seeking bigger capacity drives for smaller DC footprints and power usage. I personally believe and I would be happy to change my mind if I saw definitive proof, but I personally believe these >14 TB external hard drives are factory seconds off of the enterprise lines and are pushed to consumers because something minor may have failed the QC.
Even if some SDer came in and bought 20 of these drives.. that's nothing compared to enterprise customers. I mean, you can buy petabyte SSD SANs if you want... yeah, they cost six-digits, but that's what some enterprises need.
Enterprises are what drive a lot of tech forward now... not us consumers.
brand new in sealed box. ranging from 512 gig. 1tb to 4tb or 8tb. some internal..some external
Seagate relies upon enterprise sales... not SDers and general consumers looking for external hard drives at Amazon/BB/Costco/etc.
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I currently manage hundreds of TB of data in a data center that runs exclusively on Seagate EXOS SAS drives. In five years of continuous writes, we've had ZERO drive failures. Clearly EXOS drives aren't terrible based on real-world experience.
I've managed literally thousands of spindles over my IT career - SATA, SAS, FC, you name it. Everything from NetApp Filers, 3PAR, EMC VNX to HP Nimble and Dell Compellent. Guess which brands I've seen fail?
All of them.
Compare this experience with your average consumer fanboy that may have used two dozen drives in his whole life telling you Seagate EXOS is garbage. Bring some real data before you trash something with a dataset of n=5.
For the record, I also manage a fleet of Synology NASes at client locations with over 200 drives spinning in production for years at a time, while heavily write biased (hourly backups, 24x7x365). ALL are WD Reds, which are also just fine.
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