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These (26GB) are EXOS Enterprise drives not the crappy non-Pro Barracudas like the 20-24TB models with only 1-year warranty. Seagate doesn't make a 26TB Barracuda.
I ordered one, says it'll arrive Thursday. I'll update this post with what I find inside.
Edit: ST26000DM000 mfg date 02/2025. Seagate website indicates the serial # on the drive is a Barracuda w/ 1yr warranty. Oh well, looks like the days of discount exos are gone, and I'll be returning this one.
Purchased and it just arrived. Here is all the info off the label:STKP26000400 PN: 3jsap8-570SN: NT17MH0NRegulatory Model: SRD0NF2DOM: 02/2025EAN: 8719706045988UPC: 763649185599
I had checked with Seagate and it is a a barracuda
I just lost 1 8tb drive of 8 drives on data I built. I'm going unraid this weekend with all new 5 24tb so I can run parity. I want my system to be up running and I don't want retrieve my data. I rather pop in a drive when it fails and let it do its work for 2 weeks. I don't care, as long as it's not me.
My argument is that, since video media is not important and is easily obtainable, the expense of backing up such irrelevant data via parity/RAID is not worth it. Unless you're in a life-and-death situation where Lancelot Link, Secret Chimp must be available 24/7, it's better, in my opinion, to wait a few days and simply download such nonsense again. There are media managers available that can handle this automatically for you.
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You're conflating things. Just because there are expensive devices that can be purchased for a redundant backup system doesn't mean having redundant systems is expensive. I built a PC with a bunch of old parts and use free software to maintain a RAID based system.
My main concern is the ridiculously high cost of the time associated with/the manpower I would have to spend replacing data if I didn't understand the absurdly low cost of simplifying things by maintaining local redundancy of the data.
Your system where you don't have to track down the data in the event of a HDD failure is frankly unique and not applicable to the majority of the people who might be concerned about the time wasted as a result of a 26TB HDD failing.
It's not that RAID or NAS systems are expensive (although Synology systems are terribly overpriced, in my opinion); it's the hard drives that are costly, as you need to buy extra to achieve superfluous redundancy/parity for easily obtainable and relatively worthless video media. (Value comes from rarity, and My Mother the Car is neither hard to find nor worth much.)
There's no absurd cost of time or resources in replacing lost or corrupted media either—it can simply be auto-downloaded again. And I'm certainly not some unique downloading guru; the apps I'm referring to are neither rare nor difficult to find.
Overall, with my current setup and apps, all the video files that support my Plex Media Server are already 'backed up' and easily obtainable automatically. I'd much rather have my media server reacquire 20TB of data in 6 days at 40MB/s than wait over 2 weeks for parity/RAID to rebuild. True, I'll be missing Lancelot Link for about a week while part of my media library is being rebuilt/downloaded from the crashed hard drive, but I'll manage.
Regardless, I mean no offense—just offering an alternative, cheaper, and perhaps better way of managing your Plex Media Server. To each their own, and my way will always be the Cheap Bastard Way!
My argument is that, since video media is not important and is easily obtainable, the expense of backing up such irrelevant data via parity/RAID is not worth it. Unless you're in a life-and-death situation where Lancelot Link, Secret Chimp must be available 24/7, it's better, in my opinion, to wait a few days and simply download such nonsense again. There are media managers available that can handle this automatically for you.
It's not that RAID or NAS systems are expensive (although Synology systems are terribly overpriced, in my opinion); it's the hard drives that are costly, as you need to buy extra to achieve superfluous redundancy/parity for easily obtainable and relatively worthless video media. (Value comes from rarity, and My Mother the Car is neither hard to find nor worth much.)
There's no absurd cost of time or resources in replacing lost or corrupted media either—it can simply be auto-downloaded again. And I'm certainly not some unique downloading guru; the apps I'm referring to are neither rare nor difficult to find.
Overall, with my current setup and apps, all the video files that support my Plex Media Server are already 'backed up' and easily obtainable automatically. I'd much rather have my media server reacquire 20TB of data in 6 days at 40MB/s than wait over 2 weeks for parity/RAID to rebuild. True, I'll be missing Lancelot Link for about a week while part of my media library is being rebuilt/downloaded from the crashed hard drive, but I'll manage.
Regardless, I mean no offense—just offering an alternative, cheaper, and perhaps better way of managing your Plex Media Server. To each their own, and my way will always be the Cheap Bastard Way!
You're just looking at this topic through tunnel vision and assuming everybody can press a button to download their media lol. I don't download media from torrents or use services to buy digital copies. I purchase physical media in Blu-Ray UHD discs and rip the media using my optical drive so I have a local copy and am not relying on a corporation that promises to have the media I purchased available (until they just arbitrarily decide one day to change the contract terms and don't have it anymore). It would require months of hard work to replace this media lol.
You're just looking at this topic through tunnel vision and assuming everybody can press a button to download their media lol. I don't download media from torrents or use services to buy digital copies. I purchase physical media in Blu-Ray UHD discs and rip the media using my optical drive so I have a local copy and am not relying on a corporation that promises to have the media I purchased available (until they just arbitrarily decide one day to change the contract terms and don't have it anymore). It would require months of hard work to replace this media lol.
I thought the whole purpose of having RAID/Parity was to save time, so I'm surprised and somewhat shocked that you would take the time to do the arduous task of manually ripping each Blu-ray. Sounds like a huge pain, to be honest. Sorry that I inferred otherwise and wrongfully assumed you sailed the scurvy seas. Pasta and Sauce be upon you...
I thought the whole purpose of having RAID/Parity was to save time, so I'm surprised and somewhat shocked that you would take the time to do the arduous task of manually ripping each Blu-ray. Sounds like a huge pain, to be honest. Sorry that I inferred otherwise and wrongfully assumed you sailed the scurvy seas. Pasta and Sauce be upon you...
The vast majority of people with large media servers do so because they are fans of having local media control. Your system is dependent on external forces continuing to be in your favor, while mine results in me never relying on a network or a file being accessible outside of my control. You seem confused about the point of having RAID/Parity, so it's not entirely surprising that you were mistaken here.
The vast majority of people with large media servers do so because they are fans of having local media control. Your system is dependent on external forces continuing to be in your favor, while mine results in me never relying on a network or a file being accessible outside of my control. You seem confused about the point of having RAID/Parity, so it's not entirely surprising that you were mistaken here.
I have about 150TB of video data spread across 10 external drives, so it's you who's making an incorrect assumption here, not I—tit for tat and all that.
Since my media is all cataloged and sorted via the apps I previously mentioned, I can quickly reacquire any missing or corrupted files automatically.
I think the main difference between your hoarding methods and mine is that I believe all retail video media files are essentially worthless, as they are easily obtainable and constantly being improved or replaced by superior versions (better video quality, compression, smaller file sizes, etc.).
In my opinion, with the proper setup, you don't need to back up My Mother the Car or Freakazoid! as they are ubiquitous and easily procurable. Regardless, whatever works for you—hoard according to your preference. Just don't get weirdly attached to your media, and perhaps you can empathize with and understand my position. Lancelot Link, Secret Chimp is not worth the expense or dignity/honor of Parity/RAID, in my opinion. 😂
I have about 150TB of video data spread across 10 external drives, so it's you who's making an incorrect assumption here, not I—tit for tat and all that.
Since my media is all cataloged and sorted via the apps I previously mentioned, I can quickly reacquire any missing or corrupted files automatically.
I think the main difference between your hoarding methods and mine is that I believe all retail video media files are essentially worthless, as they are easily obtainable and constantly being improved or replaced by superior versions (better video quality, compression, smaller file sizes, etc.).
In my opinion, with the proper setup, you don't need to back up My Mother the Car or Freakazoid! as they are ubiquitous and easily procurable. Regardless, whatever works for you—hoard according to your preference. Just don't get weirdly attached to your media, and perhaps you can empathize with and understand my position. Lancelot Link, Secret Chimp is not worth the expense or dignity/honor of Parity/RAID, in my opinion. 😂
You accuse me of making an incorrect assumption. What assumption exactly did I make?
You're describing a system that requires external forces to ensure you have access to that data. In other words, you're giving up availability for a slight "convenience" factor. Your system will still be dependent on others seeding the data to you.
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You accuse me of making an incorrect assumption. What assumption exactly did I make?
You're describing a system that requires external forces to ensure you have access to that data. In other words, you're giving up availability for a slight "convenience" factor. Your system will still be dependent on others seeding the data to you.
You accuse me of making an incorrect assumption. What assumption exactly did I make?
You're describing a system that requires external forces to ensure you have access to that data. In other words, you're giving up availability for a slight "convenience" factor. Your system will still be dependent on others seeding the data to you.
I thought you accused me of not having a large media server. As you know, those are fighting words to any data hoarder.
Also, I don't use torrents either, and my backup source has over 6,000 days of retention. But perhaps we should talk about the weather? Look, there's a huge, um, uniquely endowed squirrel! 😂 (Just a joke.)
Seriously though, if you do the research, I hope you'll discover that there's a better way to hoard data on the cheap and that backing up worthless retail media files is a huge waste of time and resources, in my opinion. I wish that your strippers be gorgeous, the pirates friendly, and your beer always cold. May His Noodle be forever upon you.
I thought you accused me of not having a large media server. As you know, those are fighting words to any data hoarder.
Also, I don't use torrents either, and my backup source has over 6,000 days of retention. But perhaps we should talk about the weather? Look, there's a huge, um, uniquely endowed squirrel! 😂 (Just a joke.)
Seriously though, if you do the research, I hope you'll discover that there's a better way to hoard data on the cheap and that backing up worthless retail media files is a huge waste of time and resources, in my opinion. I wish that your strippers be gorgeous, the pirates friendly, and your beer always cold. May His Noodle be forever upon you.
Bruh, if this conversation is devolving to me needing to explain basic English language to you, I'm not sure how we can proceed. I said the "vast majority" as a way to explain to you that your unique circumstance is a minority case from the others and therefore attempting to prescribe it to others is not prudent.
Having said that, you already seem to have acknowledged that you don't fully grasp the point of having RAID, so I shouldn't be surprised at your confusion on this topic I guess.
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I just lost 1 8tb drive of 8 drives on data I built. I'm going unraid this weekend with all new 5 24tb so I can run parity. I want my system to be up running and I don't want retrieve my data. I rather pop in a drive when it fails and let it do its work for 2 weeks. I don't care, as long as it's not me.
I run a 448TB unraid server with two parity disks , 22 data drives
Took me 3.5 days to rebuild 24TB parity disks. I think it was 4.5 days when I swapped both 22TB disks for 24TB parity disks
I only run EXOs and WD white labels which are red pro drives 18TB to 24TB disks
the guy who thinks raid or parity doesn't work is pretty hilarious.
My argument is that, since video media is not important and is easily obtainable, the expense of backing up such irrelevant data via parity/RAID is not worth it. Unless you're in a life-and-death situation where Lancelot Link, Secret Chimp must be available 24/7, it's better, in my opinion, to wait a few days and simply download such nonsense again. There are media managers available that can handle this automatically for you.
It's not that RAID or NAS systems are expensive (although Synology systems are terribly overpriced, in my opinion); it's the hard drives that are costly, as you need to buy extra to achieve superfluous redundancy/parity for easily obtainable and relatively worthless video media. (Value comes from rarity, and My Mother the Car is neither hard to find nor worth much.)
There's no absurd cost of time or resources in replacing lost or corrupted media either—it can simply be auto-downloaded again. And I'm certainly not some unique downloading guru; the apps I'm referring to are neither rare nor difficult to find.
Overall, with my current setup and apps, all the video files that support my Plex Media Server are already 'backed up' and easily obtainable automatically. I'd much rather have my media server reacquire 20TB of data in 6 days at 40MB/s than wait over 2 weeks for parity/RAID to rebuild. True, I'll be missing Lancelot Link for about a week while part of my media library is being rebuilt/downloaded from the crashed hard drive, but I'll manage.
Regardless, I mean no offense—just offering an alternative, cheaper, and perhaps better way of managing your Plex Media Server. To each their own, and my way will always be the Cheap Bastard Way!
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Superior ZFS file system , rebuild would be pretty fast and you can run iscsi . This is weird I think this person is lost and stuck in NTFS land
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Oh, I grasp it, buddy—I grasp it like the Lee brothers did with that helicopter in Double Dragon II for the NES. 😂
My argument is that having expensive RAID setups to back up essentially worthless video media is a huge waste of money, especially considering the alternative methods I've been alluding to.
I know you want to label me as inferior because I don't want to Parity/RAID Freakazoid! But your efforts to demean me are somewhat silly, as all the space on my drives is devoted to actual video files and not wasted on TBs for Parity/RAID. Ergo, my server is most likely much larger than yours, and I can enjoy more glorious nonsense like The Brady Bunch Variety Hour to my heart's content.
Oh, but Pasta forbid that my hard drive crashes and I can't watch Cop Rock for about 6 days while my missing or corrupted files get automatically replaced. Maybe I should spend $1k extra to back up such nonsense—after all, I need Lancelot Link, Secret Chimp available 24/7 or I'll die! 😂
Seriously though, I mean no offense—I believe I'm letting myself be somewhat provoked here, and I need to be wary of that. You hoard your way, and I'll hoard mine and may our Divine Noodles never entwine...
Of the two arguing I like this guy the best 😁
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My main concern is the ridiculously high cost of the time associated with/the manpower I would have to spend replacing data if I didn't understand the absurdly low cost of simplifying things by maintaining local redundancy of the data.
Your system where you don't have to track down the data in the event of a HDD failure is frankly unique and not applicable to the majority of the people who might be concerned about the time wasted as a result of a 26TB HDD failing.
There's no absurd cost of time or resources in replacing lost or corrupted media either—it can simply be auto-downloaded again. And I'm certainly not some unique downloading guru; the apps I'm referring to are neither rare nor difficult to find.
Overall, with my current setup and apps, all the video files that support my Plex Media Server are already 'backed up' and easily obtainable automatically. I'd much rather have my media server reacquire 20TB of data in 6 days at 40MB/s than wait over 2 weeks for parity/RAID to rebuild. True, I'll be missing Lancelot Link for about a week while part of my media library is being rebuilt/downloaded from the crashed hard drive, but I'll manage.
Regardless, I mean no offense—just offering an alternative, cheaper, and perhaps better way of managing your Plex Media Server. To each their own, and my way will always be the Cheap Bastard Way!
It's not that RAID or NAS systems are expensive (although Synology systems are terribly overpriced, in my opinion); it's the hard drives that are costly, as you need to buy extra to achieve superfluous redundancy/parity for easily obtainable and relatively worthless video media. (Value comes from rarity, and My Mother the Car is neither hard to find nor worth much.)
There's no absurd cost of time or resources in replacing lost or corrupted media either—it can simply be auto-downloaded again. And I'm certainly not some unique downloading guru; the apps I'm referring to are neither rare nor difficult to find.
Overall, with my current setup and apps, all the video files that support my Plex Media Server are already 'backed up' and easily obtainable automatically. I'd much rather have my media server reacquire 20TB of data in 6 days at 40MB/s than wait over 2 weeks for parity/RAID to rebuild. True, I'll be missing Lancelot Link for about a week while part of my media library is being rebuilt/downloaded from the crashed hard drive, but I'll manage.
Regardless, I mean no offense—just offering an alternative, cheaper, and perhaps better way of managing your Plex Media Server. To each their own, and my way will always be the Cheap Bastard Way!
Since my media is all cataloged and sorted via the apps I previously mentioned, I can quickly reacquire any missing or corrupted files automatically.
I think the main difference between your hoarding methods and mine is that I believe all retail video media files are essentially worthless, as they are easily obtainable and constantly being improved or replaced by superior versions (better video quality, compression, smaller file sizes, etc.).
In my opinion, with the proper setup, you don't need to back up My Mother the Car or Freakazoid! as they are ubiquitous and easily procurable. Regardless, whatever works for you—hoard according to your preference. Just don't get weirdly attached to your media, and perhaps you can empathize with and understand my position. Lancelot Link, Secret Chimp is not worth the expense or dignity/honor of Parity/RAID, in my opinion. 😂
Since my media is all cataloged and sorted via the apps I previously mentioned, I can quickly reacquire any missing or corrupted files automatically.
I think the main difference between your hoarding methods and mine is that I believe all retail video media files are essentially worthless, as they are easily obtainable and constantly being improved or replaced by superior versions (better video quality, compression, smaller file sizes, etc.).
In my opinion, with the proper setup, you don't need to back up My Mother the Car or Freakazoid! as they are ubiquitous and easily procurable. Regardless, whatever works for you—hoard according to your preference. Just don't get weirdly attached to your media, and perhaps you can empathize with and understand my position. Lancelot Link, Secret Chimp is not worth the expense or dignity/honor of Parity/RAID, in my opinion. 😂
You're describing a system that requires external forces to ensure you have access to that data. In other words, you're giving up availability for a slight "convenience" factor. Your system will still be dependent on others seeding the data to you.
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You're describing a system that requires external forces to ensure you have access to that data. In other words, you're giving up availability for a slight "convenience" factor. Your system will still be dependent on others seeding the data to you.
You're describing a system that requires external forces to ensure you have access to that data. In other words, you're giving up availability for a slight "convenience" factor. Your system will still be dependent on others seeding the data to you.
Also, I don't use torrents either, and my backup source has over 6,000 days of retention. But perhaps we should talk about the weather? Look, there's a huge, um, uniquely endowed squirrel! 😂 (Just a joke.)
Seriously though, if you do the research, I hope you'll discover that there's a better way to hoard data on the cheap and that backing up worthless retail media files is a huge waste of time and resources, in my opinion. I wish that your strippers be gorgeous, the pirates friendly, and your beer always cold. May His Noodle be forever upon you.
Also, I don't use torrents either, and my backup source has over 6,000 days of retention. But perhaps we should talk about the weather? Look, there's a huge, um, uniquely endowed squirrel! 😂 (Just a joke.)
Seriously though, if you do the research, I hope you'll discover that there's a better way to hoard data on the cheap and that backing up worthless retail media files is a huge waste of time and resources, in my opinion. I wish that your strippers be gorgeous, the pirates friendly, and your beer always cold. May His Noodle be forever upon you.
Having said that, you already seem to have acknowledged that you don't fully grasp the point of having RAID, so I shouldn't be surprised at your confusion on this topic I guess.
Took me 3.5 days to rebuild 24TB parity disks. I think it was 4.5 days when I swapped both 22TB disks for 24TB parity disks
I only run EXOs and WD white labels which are red pro drives 18TB to 24TB disks
the guy who thinks raid or parity doesn't work is pretty hilarious.
It's not that RAID or NAS systems are expensive (although Synology systems are terribly overpriced, in my opinion); it's the hard drives that are costly, as you need to buy extra to achieve superfluous redundancy/parity for easily obtainable and relatively worthless video media. (Value comes from rarity, and My Mother the Car is neither hard to find nor worth much.)
There's no absurd cost of time or resources in replacing lost or corrupted media either—it can simply be auto-downloaded again. And I'm certainly not some unique downloading guru; the apps I'm referring to are neither rare nor difficult to find.
Overall, with my current setup and apps, all the video files that support my Plex Media Server are already 'backed up' and easily obtainable automatically. I'd much rather have my media server reacquire 20TB of data in 6 days at 40MB/s than wait over 2 weeks for parity/RAID to rebuild. True, I'll be missing Lancelot Link for about a week while part of my media library is being rebuilt/downloaded from the crashed hard drive, but I'll manage.
Regardless, I mean no offense—just offering an alternative, cheaper, and perhaps better way of managing your Plex Media Server. To each their own, and my way will always be the Cheap Bastard Way!
Superior ZFS file system , rebuild would be pretty fast and you can run iscsi . This is weird I think this person is lost and stuck in NTFS land
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My argument is that having expensive RAID setups to back up essentially worthless video media is a huge waste of money, especially considering the alternative methods I've been alluding to.
I know you want to label me as inferior because I don't want to Parity/RAID Freakazoid! But your efforts to demean me are somewhat silly, as all the space on my drives is devoted to actual video files and not wasted on TBs for Parity/RAID. Ergo, my server is most likely much larger than yours, and I can enjoy more glorious nonsense like The Brady Bunch Variety Hour to my heart's content.
Oh, but Pasta forbid that my hard drive crashes and I can't watch Cop Rock for about 6 days while my missing or corrupted files get automatically replaced. Maybe I should spend $1k extra to back up such nonsense—after all, I need Lancelot Link, Secret Chimp available 24/7 or I'll die! 😂
Seriously though, I mean no offense—I believe I'm letting myself be somewhat provoked here, and I need to be wary of that. You hoard your way, and I'll hoard mine and may our Divine Noodles never entwine...
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