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Bringing up 6800 vs this "IF" someone needs 13 channels, pretty rudimentary.
Many experts on AVS also believe those measurements(ie SINAD) are not an audible/sonic benefit especially with multi channel surround.
I agree, thats all paper performance, that's not very important for me.
As you keep pointing out how great Dirac is, it's not the internal power supply.
My money went Dirac, how many of your Dirac capable units did you add DLBC on?
If I recall 1 in 4/5!
So only $300 to match that great performance, pretty inexpensive if it's that great imo.
Kinda funny you now claiming/insinuating they used A1EVO in that blind test or did you have proof?
They do that themselves with their own criteria . People buy products all the time and dont use all their channel capability.
It seems you dont read the audio/video forums
$300 dollars is not matching that performance in a few areas...thats very very obvious
Clearly, we have the Sinad results of the X3800 on Audio Science review. I saw something the other day that places the X3800 near the RZ30 in amp/power supply capability
I will see if I can substantiate that with a more trusted source like Audioholics
I have posted the link before to that RC blind test and you tried to downplay it...Suprises me you dont recall that
I have never seen anything like your statement below....
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Many experts on AVS also believe those measurements(ie SINAD) are not an audible/sonic benefit especially with multi channel surround."
In fact, there are complete threads in AVS forum discussing Sinad results, along with the specific product threads. This along with many involved discussions with Amir's results on the Audio Science review forums and Gene DellaSalla ( Audioholics) testing reviews.
Here is the link to the Audioholics review of the Onkyo RZ70 with bench test results as well as Sinad performance/discussion
https://forums.audiohol
Another great resource is actual owners ..many different configurations and tip/tricks relevant to this model . Some from people who bought this AVR at introduction
https://www.avsforum.co
You also need to ask about the microphone cost and what they did for amplification(cost) to get anywhere close to( or exceeding) the amp/power supply capability of the RZ70
I bet its way over $1500
I had the opportunity to buy the X3800 for $675 ish back when the Best Buy/Magnolia closeout out was going on in certain areas
https://slickdeals.net/f/18295039-kef-r5-meta-and-others-open-box-blowout-at-select-magnolia-best-buy-huge-ymmv-605?v=1&src=Sit
Even then to buy all that , plus the amp I would have been more than $1500...and still had poorer Sinad results than the $1500 RZ70 in this thread
I can attest to that from being an owner of ART and using A1EVO."
The minute someone equates the capabilities of Dirac ART to A1 Evo is when all credibility is lost! Even the creator of A1 Evo (OCA) said this himself over at ASR:
"Even when a surround speaker has a weak output at 60Hz, if its 60Hz output has opposite polarity (180 degrees different phase), this will be good enough to cancel out (or at least drop it to inaudible levels) the 60Hz reflection wave from the main speaker which is already a bit weaker after all the traveling in the air and hitting the wall. Hate to admit this but ART is next gen and no manual calibration with classical SISO filters can match it"
https://www.audioscienc
(feel free to Google the quote itself since SD is terrified of direct links to ASR)
As much as I'd like to continue experiencing the "Bobby and Warren" drama, I'd very much like the banter from these vendors to be kept to a minimum since they're all peppered w/half truths for their own agenda.
Last Nov/BF people bought all 3(DL,BC,ART) for $640.
Many bought the 3800 for $1k, some were lucky enough to get it when hit $900.
So at most an extra $140.
Technically to get what this "includes" was only $280.
That "includes" 4 independent sub outs, all assignable channels, independent preout mode and access to ART.
This will not give you that.
Not to mention A1EVO, you may not even need to spend all that.
You can look at all the threads on AVS of owners that compared the two on the same unit, I know I have.
Never downplayed it, I said it's outdated.
Now you're trying to claim they "used" A1EVO, please where is the proof.
Yes,read those SiNAD forums, you're just ignoring the ones that stated they are not an audible benefit with surround.
I just agree with that half.
Great selling point for manufacturers though.
I kinda agree about your comment regrading the RZ30 & 3800.
I set up the RZ30 with a 9 channel SVS Primes & did very well!
So well that imo the extra $800 on this unit likely only buys you SINAD bragging rights & 2 extra channels you may not use/need.
Add BC for $300, better sonic performance imo.
With $500 still in your pocket!
Yes I agree people are free to believe & buy what they want.
I just said based on the date it was done I thought its hard to imagine they didnt use A1 Evo
But you said professionals were stating that SINAD wasnt important in multichannel?
I have absolutely never seen that statement coming from a professional
And I read a lot of forums with input from Av professionals
Where is your proof?
what is your source?
Your scenario with the RZ30 makes the x3800 seem overpriced
Basic Dirac makes the X3800 double the price of the RZ30.
The RZ70 is in another world on amp/power supply performance from either of them
Especially important for a 1 box solution or someone wishing to expand down the road
As I stated before...there is nothing out there , for $1500, that has that amp/power supply capability, Sinad performance and standard Dirac
The X6800 would cost you close to double after buying Dirac, DLBC and the mic..and it doesnt have the amp/power supply performance of the Rz70
Maybe that why Audioholics..a well known, trusted published audio reviewer gave the RZ70 such high marks and named it best in class
https://www.bing.com/videos/river...&FORM=V
Here is another link with the that performance of the RZ70 and the Sinad numbers discussion here
https://www.audioscienc
To your point though, Specifically in the realm of slick deals upvotes...the Rz30seems to be a gem with little reason to spend more based on the upvotes
It seems that paired with the most upvoted $800 speaker package clearly works with no need to spend more
I personally owned the Rz50 and thought it was an incredible sonic value for the money
I kept it almost 2 years and sold it for what I originally paid for it
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Last Nov/BF people bought all 3(DL,BC,ART) for $640.
Many bought the 3800 for $1k, some were lucky enough to get it when hit $900.
So at most an extra $140.
Technically to get what this "includes" was only $280.
That "includes" 4 independent sub outs, all assignable channels, independent preout mode and access to ART.
This will not give you that.
Not to mention A1EVO, you may not even need to spend all that.
You can look at all the threads on AVS of owners that compared the two on the same unit, I know I have.
What are you spending if you want all of the capability/specs of this unit plus DArt?
The closest is the X6800...but it is even lacking in a big area
So that looks like A1H territory...and that unit does exceed the RZ70 in performance specs
If you have manually calibrated, you already have the mic.
Many already have external amps.
If so, why would you want to pay again for that power!
You can find very good deals on used amps especially with so many moving to soundbars.
You only pay for the speakers that need it also.
Not everyone has reference level speakers in all positions.
With preamp mode you can individually turn off/disengage the internal amps you're not using, making the rest more efficient.
Thats all IF you needed that extra power.
As you mentioned, on par with the RZ30.
You still don't have 4 independent sub outs, pre amp mode & access to ART.
You could wait a year and get all that with the new RZ71 but very unlikely you get that for anywhere near $675!
You'll also have to wait for SiNAD numbers .... hmmm what to do if they don't measure up to this unit?
Sure..it could be many things and scenarios..Hence the reason I always promote the owners threads on AVS to see people with as many different situations as possible
But for sake of analysis...I think it needs to be looked on the comparison on the cost of the unit and its capabilities on it own
Even then , there was a cost to those other items that need to be recognized as well in those scenarios
Again..I am asking for an AVR( and its price) that makes no compromises whatsoever from the RZ70 performance specs and includes( or can be purchased) DART?
Well except for the fact that you won't get 4 independent sub outs,independent preamp mode & access to ART with this unit!
Let's see $675 + 640=$$1,315.
Have you ever manually calibrated before? Know how?
YOU gave the opinion the RZ30 may be a gem/on par with the 3800, I just agreed.
If correct, "on its own" imo the one major compromise I notice is giving up DLBC & ART.
Unless you're claiming there is no compromise WHATSOEVER with that loss?
Well to be fair you might have already giving us your answer.
You have said several times, makes no sense paying for Dirac on a $1k unit.
You just said "with little reason to spend more".
Sure sounds like you're insinuating DLBC is needed!?
It also sure sounds like those SINAD measurements aren't that important to audible performance to some!?
Not sure why someone needs to "recognize" other items in those scenarios.
Why would anyone need to consider a mic cost if you already own it!???
No different with external amps, that's the point after all!
You pay once and always better!
..I am asking for an AVR( and its price) that makes no compromises whatsoever from the RZ70 performance specs and includes( or can be purchased) DART?
YOU even assisted with your answer to "performance specs"!
You can have a "gem" without the "performance specs", I agree.
That may not fit YOUR opinion but even you pointed that out!
What part don't you understand?
I didnt ask for " assistance" with anything else
I will post the audioholics review yet again..so that you can view the
the amp performance and Sinad numbers that are part of the performance specs
Just in case
https://www.bing.com/videos/river...&FORM=V
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There is no debating that list, that's rudimentary.
If you're conflating that "performance spec" list to "sonic performance" that's a personal opinion not universally factual.
If it was, no one would be coming here asking for a comparison of which is better/ a gem.
No need for science to do blind test.
That's pretty rudimentary!
Not sure why you keep asking for this explanation over and over again.
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