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does any one else on SD watch this show. i have watched each episode and i'm hooked its a mystery going on in each episode and makes it worth wild to watch .


EDIT April 12 2007- you can watch LOST on abc.com (streaming) also but its just one day after.

http://dynamic.abc.go.com/streaming/landing

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lordoffire
03-02-2010 at 05:01 PM.
03-02-2010 at 05:01 PM.
lmao..."this is a flash-sideways"

LMAO
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beowulf7
03-02-2010 at 10:15 PM.
03-02-2010 at 10:15 PM.
Quote from Vegasrocks :
Yea, I pretty much feel the same way. I don't mind the LA time line, but I wish the episodes were 1.5 hrs so that way we would get more island time in.
The flash-sideways is getting boring. Sayid's sap crap was painful, although it was cool to see that badass back. And Sayid meet Jin!

The MIB/smoke monster/fake Locke held is end of the bargain by killing those in his/its path. Has Sayid now officially become evil? He had a sinister smile when he killed those 2 that even scared Ben. And what's w/ the tease about Ben dying? I don't think I believe ABC in that claim.

12 more hours left before "Lost" ends forever. Sadwalk
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Gray.
03-02-2010 at 10:42 PM.
03-02-2010 at 10:42 PM.
They're developing into 2 factions. Whee
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dwells
03-02-2010 at 11:24 PM.
03-02-2010 at 11:24 PM.
As much I love this show and as much I've followed religiously for the past six years, it's starting to irritate me. It's just getting more and more confusing, especially with the alternate reality flashes. The whole "fake Locke" and people being possessed or whatever is just unneeded complication. I liked things better when there was mystery about how things worked, not a bunch of things that just didn't make any sense.

Oh well.
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Doctor_Wu
03-02-2010 at 11:38 PM.
03-02-2010 at 11:38 PM.
Quote from wizard7926 :
Some more random musings going through my head:

The lighthouse and the cave represent heaven and hell. Both keep track of a name list (perhaps a soul list), but the lighthouse rises majestically high above the surface of the island while the cave is down below it, dank and rotten, lit by a flame.
I like this... and the imagery can be taken further. You've got Jacob taking the good guys to the lighthouse, you've got MIB taking sawyer to the cave. While the lighthouse is a mechanical wonder, highly organized, the cave looks like the work of a madman scribbling on the walls... totally disorganized.

The scale on the table is a symbol of justice, and hell is a place one is sent when one is being judged.

From the light house (the name itself is emblematic of 'illumination' and thereby wisdom, perhaps divine light) one can see very far... into the lives of humans all over the world. From the cave one cannot see, as it is a dark place and totally insular.

Plato's allegory of the cave is that it's where we live and it's where received opinions dominate... the opinions of the many. The philosopher is the man who can leave the cave on his own and go up into the 'real world' (to see the truth) which is illuminated by the light of day. Of course the light house could be a further extension of that allegory.

I also noted that sawyer went with MIB while drunk, MIB got into his 'soul' while sawyer was drunk.

I am also interested in the broader differences between jack and sawyer. Jack has always been an impulsive, reactive individual. Sawyer is the ultimate Machiavellian opportunist, always reading, always thinking. When they go back to 1977 Sawyer scolds Jack's impulsive methods and declares that he must think in order to come up with a plan. His cons are always planned out.

Yet as a "man of reason" Sawyer is perpetually open to temptation. It's been suggested that Eve was the first philosopher, reliant on her own reason, she was 'convinced' by the serpent to eat the apple... after the serpent was able to 'smuggle in' an improper assumption (he said ye shall not eat or touch it). So ... it may be that the man of reason is capable of being lead astray by appeal to his "reason"... but of course his reason is fallible.

While Jack as a man of impulse is perpetually dangerous to whomever attempts to control him. He can never be directly controlled... he can only be controlled indirectly. In season 1 Locke speaks to him alone and tells him what the people want, the Jack was left to sort out the details. But as time went on his willingness to listen to Locke diminished. Now, jacob manipulates him via Hurley, who will do exactly what people tell him.

So there's the potential for an ultimate Jack/Sawyer confrontation with each other as proxies for the two principals. But I also wonder if Sawyer will stay with MIB once he 'sobers up'... or will he stay drunk?

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In the pre-season press photo there was a 'last supper' theme. Interesting that Sayid was in the "Judas" position facing the three principal guys at the center. If Jacob is Jesus, then Sayid has betrayed him in killing the Japanese master, and telling the 'lie' that Jacob is dead... b/c it appears that Jacob isn't quite dead.
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Gray.
03-03-2010 at 04:53 AM.
03-03-2010 at 04:53 AM.
Woot Fabulous post, Dr. Wu.
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03-03-2010 at 06:09 AM.
03-03-2010 at 06:09 AM.
By what episode will Jacob ressurrect?
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shhaggy
03-03-2010 at 06:14 AM.
03-03-2010 at 06:14 AM.
Quote from DWells55 :
As much I love this show and as much I've followed religiously for the past six years, it's starting to irritate me. It's just getting more and more confusing, especially with the alternate reality flashes. The whole "fake Locke" and people being possessed or whatever is just unneeded complication. I liked things better when there was mystery about how things worked, not a bunch of things that just didn't make any sense.

Oh well.
I feel the opposite way, the picture is starting to clear up again. I love that they killed off Japan Man and Translator, his sidekick. We didn't need extraneous characters in a short season with so many holes left to fill, so I'm glad they're gone and will stop eating up valuable screen time that should be used to resolve the damn series. I loved that this ep centered on Sayid and to a lesser extent Clair/Kate/Aaron because we're getting back to the main characters and away from the new ones.
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ASG
03-03-2010 at 07:03 AM.
03-03-2010 at 07:03 AM.
I'm begining to think we're thinking about the MIB all wrong. I remember seeing some talk with the creators where they mentioned he's not evil, he just has a different view of the world/island than Jacob. He is manipulating the actions of the Losties in a different way but he is still, just like Jacob, giving them a choice of what to do.

I think the "flash sideways" is what happens if the MIB wins. The island might have "healed" them all in some way now but may be they were only "broken" to begin with because of Jacob or could have lived their life without the island. May be Jacob just has some big case of Mchausen syndrome.
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Gray.
03-03-2010 at 07:37 AM.
03-03-2010 at 07:37 AM.
Quote from ASG :
I'm begining to think we're thinking about the MIB all wrong. I remember seeing some talk with the creators where they mentioned he's not evil, he just has a different view of the world/island than Jacob. He is manipulating the actions of the Losties in a different way but he is still, just like Jacob, giving them a choice of what to do.

I think the "flash sideways" is what happens if the MIB wins. The island might have "healed" them all in some way now but may be they were only "broken" to begin with because of Jacob or could have lived their life without the island. May be Jacob just has some big case of Mchausen syndrome.
Iagree

I don't think it's so much of an epic battle between good and evil, but more a battle between a mythological type of gods.
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Vegasrocks
03-03-2010 at 08:31 AM.
03-03-2010 at 08:31 AM.
Quote from ASG :
I'm begining to think we're thinking about the MIB all wrong. I remember seeing some talk with the creators where they mentioned he's not evil, he just has a different view of the world/island than Jacob. He is manipulating the actions of the Losties in a different way but he is still, just like Jacob, giving them a choice of what to do.

I think the "flash sideways" is what happens if the MIB wins. The island might have "healed" them all in some way now but may be they were only "broken" to begin with because of Jacob or could have lived their life without the island. May be Jacob just has some big case of Mchausen syndrome.

That's an interesting theory...I kinda get it, but I have my reservations because I get the feeling they are ultimately pushing Jacob as being the "good guy", or at least they keep indicating that by almost always showing him in white, and having a very calm, almost bedside manner if you will way about him when he speaks, and making MIB...well the man in black, almost always confrontational, aggressive, very blunt and paint him as the evil one. I might have this all wrong, but that's just my opinion on how this will turn out, although as far as shock value, your theory is much better.
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03-03-2010 at 09:09 AM.
03-03-2010 at 09:09 AM.
Quote from ASG :
I'm begining to think we're thinking about the MIB all wrong. I remember seeing some talk with the creators where they mentioned he's not evil, he just has a different view of the world/island than Jacob. He is manipulating the actions of the Losties in a different way but he is still, just like Jacob, giving them a choice of what to do.
Didn't seem like he gave anybody too much of a choice last episode..."Join me or I'll kill you". Speaking of which, where the heck is Sawyer? Did MIB leave him in the cave or what?

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I think the "flash sideways" is what happens if the MIB wins. The island might have "healed" them all in some way now but may be they were only "broken" to begin with because of Jacob or could have lived their life without the island. May be Jacob just has some big case of Mchausen syndrome.
Interesting theory...my theory is that the "flash sideways" isn't a "parallel timeline" at all, it actually shows what happens to everybody after a separate, yet to be shown incident occurs later on this season (an incident that ultimately sinks the island). Setting off the bomb only caused the on-island timeline that we're seeing now. Although I suppose our theories aren't mutually exclusive.
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shhaggy
03-03-2010 at 09:20 AM.
03-03-2010 at 09:20 AM.
Quote from Putts :
Interesting theory...my theory is that the "flash sideways" isn't a "parallel timeline" at all, it actually shows what happens to everybody after a separate, yet to be shown incident occurs later on this season (an incident that ultimately sinks the island). Setting off the bomb only caused the on-island timeline that we're seeing now. Although I suppose our theories aren't mutually exclusive.
I thought about that too. The 'parallel timeline is '04 and the 'current' timeline is 2007. Maybe the original plane crash didn't happen but they somehow ended up on the island in 2007 anyway. Something along the way happened that may have disproved this though, I can't put my finger on it at the moment. If true though, you're thinking of it the opposite way. I think it's implied that the blast sunk the island, the island is underwater during the '04 timeline, so an event that we see will not 'sink' the island, but bring it back.
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beowulf7
03-03-2010 at 09:52 AM.
03-03-2010 at 09:52 AM.
Quote from shhaggy :
I thought about that too. The 'parallel timeline is '04 and the 'current' timeline is 2007. Maybe the original plane crash didn't happen but they somehow ended up on the island in 2007 anyway. Something along the way happened that may have disproved this though, I can't put my finger on it at the moment. If true though, you're thinking of it the opposite way. I think it's implied that the blast sunk the island, the island is underwater during the '04 timeline, so an event that we see will not 'sink' the island, but bring it back.
Yes, it's true that the LA folks are in 2004 time where as the island folks are in 2007. But is that really 3 years ago or still at the same time, like when the Sawyer, Juliet, etc. went back to the '70s? Even if the LA folks are from 2004, assuming that they're still alive in 2007, you'd think that the island folks will eventually meet their LA counterparts unless, like you said, the 2004 folks still wound up on the island 3 years later. But that would mean Jack on the island still has a son, etc.

In an unrelated note, I configured my DVR to record TV shows 2 min. before the scheduled time and to end 2 min. later. That means I've been getting the last 2 min. of the previous hour, which are "enhanced" reruns of the previous week. ABC referred to the fake Locke (remember when he appeared soon after Claire killed that black dude w/ an ax) as "smoke monster" and not "man in black".
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03-03-2010 at 10:23 AM.
03-03-2010 at 10:23 AM.
Quote from Putts :
Didn't seem like he gave anybody too much of a choice last episode..."Join me or I'll kill you".
That was just for the non-Lostie non-candidates. He didn't seem too pleased that Kate survived so there must be some kind of rules behind something. Besides, didn't Jacob have tons of people killed during the Purge?
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