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does any one else on SD watch this show. i have watched each episode and i'm hooked its a mystery going on in each episode and makes it worth wild to watch .
EDIT April 12 2007- you can watch LOST on abc.com (streaming) also but its just one day after.
http://dynamic.abc.go.
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does any one else on SD watch this show. i have watched each episode and i'm hooked its a mystery going on in each episode and makes it worth wild to watch .
EDIT April 12 2007- you can watch LOST on abc.com (streaming) also but its just one day after.
http://dynamic.abc.go.
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I'm just not loving this season. They seem to have wasted too much of it in the beginning with all the temple bs and now we're running out of time and everything is still all scattered everywhere. They may still be able to pull it all together by the end but I'm starting to lose hope.
I'm just not loving this season. They seem to have wasted too much of it in the beginning with all the temple bs and now we're running out of time and everything is still all scattered everywhere. They may still be able to pull it all together by the end but I'm starting to lose hope.
What I'm not sure of is, how does this fit in the timeline of them talking on the beach with that boat coming? It would seem that was after this incident, but MIB was dead. Did he reanimate his own dead body? Or did that scene happen earlier? It was heavily implied that that scene was of the Black Rock arriving, and that tonight's events were further in the past.
MIB told Jacob that these people were smart (when Jacob went to visit MIB) etc, so maybe those are the people that came on the ship?
Richard also saw MIB so WTF????
I saw something in Easu/MIB's exile, he lived in modernity, fully. The men he was with were men of science, they sought discovery and investigation. Easu viewed them as a means to an end. They were a tool for him to achieve his desire. Their tool was science, and his tool was them.
Jacob on the other hand stands as the guardian of a secret he does not fully understand, nor are we shown his seeking full understanding. Jacob embraces tradition, custom, inherited wisdom... and yet he also embraces mystery.
Jacob was incapable of lying... Easu was. Jacob was educated slowly, not all secrets were revealed to him at once. Easu cursed his mother for not giving him all the knowledge at once. We might say his birthright was denied in this way, but he chose it by being impatient. When Jacob was brought to the point of decision he whined about not being the chosen one, (sounding just like Ben, incidentally)... his mother told him there was no choice.
Jacob does not lie. He does the much more sophisticated and complex thing, that being, he reveals only as much as is required at that time. He maintains the mystery. So while he is the protector of the island, he is also a protector of the island's secrets. Which are revealed only as needed, and only to those who can be trusted. This mechanism is more difficult to tolerate b/c it requires trust, while also straining trust. This method tests people... it tests their faith.
And when the impatient people confront the reticence of Jacob they are not met with full openness... the truth usually remains obscured from them. Often this is accomplished by answering a question with a question. So even when Jacob speaks on certain things, he is silent on others. And silence is harder to read than speech. Jacob is silent where Easu talks.
So Jacob's method of dealing with 'candidates' is the same as his mother's approach. When Easu/Locke tries to get people to be on his side... he cajoles and promises them things that they want. He calls forth their desire... which is exactly the passion that drove him. Easu/Locke leads them around by their desire... and we might say that people who give in to their desires are easily led.
In the end, Jacob kills Easu. In a way it was like the founding described in both the bible and the account of the founding of ancient Rome... via a fratricide. In the bible, Cain kills Able, and in Rome, Romulus kills Remus. There seems to be a connection between fratricides and foundings.
Incidentally... I decided a couple of years ago that the series would not answer all questions based on the fact that the title sequences brings the word "Lost" into focus for only a second, and even then you can't see the full word while it is in focus... at the last moment it blurs again as it moves past us. Almost as if to say you're not going to get both clarity and wholeness simultaneously.
What's up w/ BIB having Justin Bieber hair?
Now that we know who their mother is, who the hell is their father?
How did the stepmother not age over those few decades when Jacob and BIB became men?
MIB told Jacob that these people were smart (when Jacob went to visit MIB) etc, so maybe those are the people that came on the ship?
Richard also saw MIB so WTF????
What's up w/ BIB having Justin Bieber hair?
Now that we know who their mother is, who the hell is their father?
How did the stepmother not age over those few decades when Jacob and BIB became men?
Now we know why MIB/Locke said he had a crazy mom, too.
Arggh! This episode would have been really nice if it were shown earlier in the season. This close to the end just doesn't feel right. We need more answers! I know they kinda gave us answers, but at the same time it just added more questions...
I'm curious: When MIB fell down the hole and turned into Smokey, did the light go out? If so, is the Smoke Monster now the embodiment of the light? Is that why it is so important to make sure he never leaves the island (because Smokey is the light now)? It was hard to tell if it just got dark because the smoke was going through there, or because the light was gone...
This episode felt very full of stabby-stabby.
I guess we'll never really get answers because in the end: even Jacob never had the answers. His mom never told him much, and I doubt he knows much more than what we saw her tell him.
I'm hoping this will be like the end of Harry Potter:
Dumbledore shows up and tells Jack everything he needs to know about the Island. All at once, everything from Episode One up until now ties together, all makes sense, and ends happily ever after.
I felt like spoiler tagging it, just in case...
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The other thing I believe is that the boy ghost of Jacob represents that Jacob actually died at this age. Whatever Jacob is after that isn't him...I have always believed there have been two smoke monsters.
im still confused about the light
I don't think that it was that critical of a plot detail that they needed to ensure that the audience drew the connection...they should have just allowed the observant fans to figure it out for themselves, and everybody else didn't really need to be reminded of it.
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